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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:10 PM
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ESPN has UTSA bowl eligible. I dont really understand why.

9-3 we are a lock for a bowl. 8-4 we're borderline and we'll have to sweat it out and hope for some other losses. Right now I'd say only 5 MAC teams go bowling.


8-4 - We're a lock
9-3 - We're a lock
10-2  We're a lock


I'd like to think that and you are very probably correct.  There is at least close to a 50/50 chance that every school with 6 wins with no more than 1 FCS win will go bowling.  But, if we end up on the high end of the probable range of eligible team with 73 or 74 eligible teams I think it actually starts to get pretty dicey.  I'm not entirely sure that the first 6 things in the order I'm going to post here have not changed.  They were like this a few year back and I assume that they still are.  Rules on taking a division champ over a not division champ and which bowls get to pick from said conference first are in the conferences bowl contracts.  Rules on 7 or more win schools over 6 in the same conference contract were at least recently rules that were per the NCAA.  So the order at which teams are available to a bowl would be as follows:

1.  Teams with 7 or more wins allowing counting no more than 1 win over a scholarship FCS team in the two conferences with which you have a primary contract.

2.  Teams with 6 or more wins and no more than 6 losses allowing counting no more than 1 win over a scholarship FCS team in the two conferences with which you have a primary contract.

3.  Teams with 7 or more wins allowing counting no more than 1 win over a scholarship FCS team in the conference with which you have a secondary contract.

4.  Teams with 6 or more wins and no more than 6 losses allowing counting no more than 1 win over a scholarship FCS team in the two conference with which you have a secondary contract.

5.  Teams with 7 or more wins allowing counting no more than 1 win over a scholarship FCS team that were not taken by a bowl by their own conference's contracts

6.  Teams with 6 or more wins and no more than 6 losses allowing counting no more than 1 win over a scholarship FCS team that were not taken by a bowl by their own conference's contracts

7. Teams with 6 wins and no more than 6 losses now allowing for counting a win over a FCS non-scholarship team.

8. Teams with 6 wins and no more than 6 losses now allowing counting 2 wins over FCS scholarship teams

9. Teams with 6 wins that are below .500 at 6-7 because they played in a conference title game.

10. Teams with 6 wins that are below .500 at 6-7 because of the Hawaii rule (or something similar that might happen).

11. Transitional schools that are otherwise bowl eligible.

12 5-7 schools with high graduation scores.

Considering that we get in no later than point 5 and there won't at the very worst be many eligible teams staying home it looks good.  Most years nearly all of the schools left out fall in at point 6.  CUSA and MWC have the reputation of being the two best non-AQ and are both having much worst years than in other recent years.  They won't go over their primary tie-ins.  All CUSA and MWC 6 win teams will be going at points 1 and 2. The trouble is all of the AQs will go because they have so many secondary contracts to assure that the bowls get all of the major 6-6 teams into bowls.  I don't have a list of the secondary tie ins but I believe that this will be the case.  I'm betting on all of them getting in at no later than point 4.  

The MAC, WAC, and Sunbelt will all be over and will take the spots where other conferences are short.  There is a chance that all or nearly all of the bowl eligible team from these conferences will have 7 wins.  So if there are only 71 eligible teams then it could still mean a 7+ win team is staying home.  A seven win WAC or Sunbelt team may get in over an 8 win MAC team as a result of being closer to the bowl.  Let's say Toledo, NIU, and Kent State get the three MAC tie ins in that scenario.  Now If we only have 8 wins we may be competing with 8 win BGSU and Ball State to both of whom we would have just lost for the last two spots.  I think somehow we still go if there are 71 eligible but it isn't a 100% guarantee if all of the WAC, MAC, and Sunbelt teams have 7 wins and some 7 win schools get geographical preference.  It is possible we could be the 1 eligible team at home.

As we start thinking of the possibility of there bring 72, 73, 74 eligible teams with each additional major then it starts to get more and more dicey.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:28 PM
Because I have WAAAAAY too much free time, I built the following using the baseline spreadsheet in the first post:

Conference Bowl Eligible Need 1 win Need 2 wins Out
ACC (8) 4 Miami (usf, DU) UVA (unc, VT) 2
    GaTech (duke, UGA) MD (fsu, UNC)  
    Wake (ND, vu) Va Tech (bc, uva)  
Big 12 (7) 6 WVU (ou, ISU, uk) Baylor (ksu, TTU, osu) 1
    ISU (KU, wvu)    
Big East (6) 3 Syracuse (MIZ, TEM) Pitt (ru, usf) 2
      UConn (UL, uc)  
Big Ten (8) 5 MSU (nu, MN) Indiana (PSU, PU) 3
      Iowa (MI, ne)  
      Purdue (ILL, iu)  
CUSA (6) 3 SMU (RICE, tulsa) Terd (uh, ECU) 5
      Houston (TERD, tulane)  
      Rice (smu, UTEP)  
MAC (3) 6   Fiami (CMU, bsu) 5
      CMU (fiami, MASS)  
MWC (5) 4 AFA (hi, FSU)   5
Pac 12 (7) 7 ASU (wsu, AZ) Utah (az, CU) 3
SEC (10) 8 Mizzou (cuse, TA&M) Tenn (VAN, uk) 2
    Ole Miss (LSU, msu) Ark (MSU, lsu)  
Sun Belt (2) 4 LaLa (wku, usa, FAU) N. Texas (ULM, WKU) 3
    Troy (ak st, MTSU)    
WAC (1) 3 UTSA   3
         
Army 0     1
Navy 1     0
BYU 1     0
Notre Dame 1     0
BCS at large (4) 0     0
Total (70) 56 15 18 35

I dropped USF and N. TX because there is no way they get in with who they have remaining.  Once you look at who plays who where (in the brackets UPPER CASE is the home team), and which two win teams eliminate one another because the meet each other and who is remaining on their schedules, the smell test tells me that evening including UTSA, there is an extremely high probability that there will not be 70 6-6 teams.

High probability in: the other Miami, WVU, Iowa State, 'cuse, MI St., SMU, AFA, AZ St., MIZZOU, LaLa
Moderate probability: Troy, UTSA, VT, CMU
Low probability: everybody else, and what remains above hits 70

Of the remaining one win required teams, GT, Wake and Ole Miss have extremely tough rows to hoe.  In the two wins column, there are a few match ups that knock one another out.

In my mind, there is no way an eight or more win OHIO doesn't go bowling, and I hope we go to St. Pete.  When I lived in Tampa I used to have a Beef O'Brady's right down the street from my place, and the Trop is horrible for baseball, so I'd like to see if it is a descent venue for football.  Plus I think it would be a nice vacation for the team after a hard fought season, and we may have a descent draw there.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:16 PM
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ESPN has UTSA bowl eligible. I dont really understand why.

9-3 we are a lock for a bowl. 8-4 we're borderline and we'll have to sweat it out and hope for some other losses. Right now I'd say only 5 MAC teams go bowling.


The presser from the NCAA just says that transition teams with six wins are bowl eligible, but next to last in the pecking order.  There's no requirement that they have a certain number of wins vs. 1A schools.  So, UTSA is bowl eligible, but falls behind all other 6+ win teams, including those that are 6-7 (New Mexico is the only one that can get there).  I think it sucks.  They have two wins vs. 1A schools (including one transition school), three wins vs. 1AA schools and a win vs. a D2 school.  They should have to win 8 or 9 games or be put behind teams that have five wins, with either none or one vs. 1A schools.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 12:27 PM
What 8-4 teams never made a bowl?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 12:59 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
What 8-4 teams never made a bowl?


I realize that it may be a rhetorical question, but the first one to mind is the former MAC team from Philly in 2010.  Among those not on probation, that is.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 3:37 PM
Don't know 'bout 8-4, but 8-3 Ohio one time comes to mind.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 11:48 AM
Based on our attendence at the New Orleans and Potato bowls the last 2 years, if attendence is any factor in picking a team, our Bobcats would not be a good choice for any bowl outside Detroit(which won't happen since we're not apt to be in the top 3 MAC teams).  While we did get pretty good away fan support at the Penn State game, I'm not sure we would get more than a few hundred to any game because of the short notice and distance(perhaps a January bowl would do better) .  Some of those bowl-starved Sun Belt teams would surely attract many more butts in the seats, although their TV ratings may not be as good as Ohio's draw.  Any thoughts about whether the lack of  fan support in the past would hurt our chances?
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Posted: 11/13/2012 1:06 PM
I agree that our bowl attendances have been poor, I think that there will right around just enough teams to fill all of the slots. Teams that are 6-6 from the Sun Belt or MAC would be the very first teams cut from bowl contention if there is any excess at all.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:01 AM
Our problem:  we are probably #7 in the MAC right now.  Kent, BG, Toledo, NIU and Ballsie are definitely above us based on where they are OR having beaten us head to head.  If Miami gets to be eligible, the beat us to.  I am not so confident we go bowling if Miami is eligible and we get blown out at Kent.  Just MHO.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:19 AM
we would be #6 MAC team. There is zero chance a 6-6 miami or cmu team would be selected before us.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 4:16 PM
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but this will be our 5th bowl game.  We have gone to Mobile, Detroit, New Orleans, and Boise and if we get invited again it will be our 5th different city to go to.  I know that isn't a large sample size, just is kind of funny we have never gone back twice yet to a bowl location. 
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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:27 PM
If BC hangs on to beat Virginia Tech that could be an open spot for us...
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Posted: 11/18/2012 12:21 AM
Wasn't an especially good day for keeping teams from becoming bowl eligible. Baylor's big upset doesn't make them eligible makes it much more likley they'll get there now that they are 5-5. Also, Virginia Tech did win that game. Some other results as well didn't go the best.

There now are 63 bowl-eligible teams and quite a few (17) teams that might become bowl eligible.
Wake Forest (5-6): vs. Vanderbilt (7-4)
Virginia Tech (5-6): vs. Virginia (4-7)
West Virginia (5-5): at Iowa State (6-5), vs. Kansas (1-10)
Baylor (5-5): vs. Texas Tech (7-4), vs. Oklahoma State (7-3)
UConn (4-6): vs. Louisville (9-1), vs. Cincinnati (7-3)
Pittsburgh (4-6): vs. Rutgers (9-1), at South Florida (3-7)
Michigan State (5-6): at Minnesota (6-5)
Purdue (5-6): vs. Indiana (4-7)
Utah (4-6): vs. Arizona (Utah up 7 in progress), at Colorado (1-10)
Missouri (5-6): at Texas A&M (9-2)
Ole Miss (5-6): vs. Mississippi State (8-3)
Marshall (5-6): at East Carolina (7-4)
SMU (5-6): vs. Tulsa (9-2)
Rice (5-6): at UTEP (3-8)
Central Michigan (5-6): at UMass (1-10)
Troy (5-6): at Middle Tennessee (7-3)

It seems Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Purdue, Rice and Central Michigan are very probable to do what is needed. There are only a few teams that seem very unlikley: UConn, Pitt, Missouri. That said, I think it is likley there will end up being 70-73 and I think Ohio will be OK in that case. Several of the eligible teams will be 6-6 teams from the Sun Belt or Conference USA (and CMU) and even with a bad finish, I've got to think Ohio is more appealing.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 9:29 AM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Wasn't an especially good day for keeping teams from becoming bowl eligible. Baylor's big upset doesn't make them eligible makes it much more likley they'll get there now that they are 5-5. Also, Virginia Tech did win that game. Some other results as well didn't go the best.

There now are 63 bowl-eligible teams and quite a few (17) teams that might become bowl eligible.
Wake Forest (5-6): vs. Vanderbilt (7-4)
Virginia Tech (5-6): vs. Virginia (4-7)
West Virginia (5-5): at Iowa State (6-5), vs. Kansas (1-10)
Baylor (5-5): vs. Texas Tech (7-4), vs. Oklahoma State (7-3)
UConn (4-6): vs. Louisville (9-1), vs. Cincinnati (7-3)
Pittsburgh (4-6): vs. Rutgers (9-1), at South Florida (3-7)
Michigan State (5-6): at Minnesota (6-5)
Purdue (5-6): vs. Indiana (4-7)
Utah (4-6): vs. Arizona (Utah up 7 in progress), at Colorado (1-10)
Missouri (5-6): at Texas A&M (9-2)
Ole Miss (5-6): vs. Mississippi State (8-3)
Marshall (5-6): at East Carolina (7-4)
SMU (5-6): vs. Tulsa (9-2)
Rice (5-6): at UTEP (3-8)
Central Michigan (5-6): at UMass (1-10)
Troy (5-6): at Middle Tennessee (7-3)

It seems Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Purdue, Rice and Central Michigan are very probable to do what is needed. There are only a few teams that seem very unlikley: UConn, Pitt, Missouri. That said, I think it is likley there will end up being 70-73 and I think Ohio will be OK in that case. Several of the eligible teams will be 6-6 teams from the Sun Belt or Conference USA (and CMU) and even with a bad finish, I've got to think Ohio is more appealing.


Utah lost last night, so they're off the list.  I would also cross out Terd, SMU and Troy.  Terd and Troy have road games vs. opposition that's too good, and Tulsa's just way too good for SMU, even at home.  The Baylor-Texas Tech game is at Jerry World in Arlington, Tx, so it's a neutral site.  If Baylor plays like they did last night, they should be in.  I don't see more than 71 eligible teams plus UTSA, who we have priority over.  I don't think there's any question that Ohio will be in a bowl.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:00 AM
Could someone list our secondary bowl tie-ins? 

I'm guessing 73 just to make it interesting, but the secondary tie-ins are what really makes or breaks it in that scenario.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:29 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Could someone list our secondary bowl tie-ins? 

I'm guessing 73 just to make it interesting, but the secondary tie-ins are what really makes or breaks it in that scenario.


http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl_games_bowl_schedu...

This may help regarding the secondary tie-ins, see bottom.

Last potential destinations I heard were: St. Pete, NM, Hawaii, DC and Dallas.  And with the loss to Balls, I estimate that DC and Dallas are out, based on our finish to the season versus BSU/BUGS. 

edit: Just took a look at strictly which conferences would be able to fulfill their assigned tie in slots, and that would say that St. Pete (UConn and Pitt would need to win out), DC, Birmingham and Dallas are in play, with NM and Hawaii being out.  But that rules out any preferences of the bowls, as I am under the impression that Birmingham is out for us, although they will likely have their two primary go unfilled.

My spidey sense tells me DC or St. Pete.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:32 AM
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Could someone list our secondary bowl tie-ins? 

I'm guessing 73 just to make it interesting, but the secondary tie-ins are what really makes or breaks it in that scenario.


According to the Kent website from last April (maybe they knew something back then), the MAC has secondary tie-ins with New Mexico, Beef O'Brady's, Ticket City (now Heart of Dallas) and Compass.  There will likely be open slots in all of these except the New Mexico.

I think the ten BCS slots will have two SEC (which would leave them at least one short on bowl commitments), two ACC (at least one short), two Big 12 or Pac 12 (either way, they'll meet their commitments), one Pac 12 or Big 12 (which would give either a surplus of one), one Big Tedozen (at least one short), one Big Least (one or two short) and Notre Dame.  So that should make 3 or 4 openings at least.  Plus CUSA will likely have 1-3 openings and there's Army's Military Bowl slot.  That totals to 5-8 open slots.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:43 AM
I posted this on another thread before. This basically comes from the MAC media guide.

The No. 4 MAC bowl team is supposed to go to either the BBVA Compass Bowl (Birmingham, Ala., Jan. 5), New Mexico Bowl (Dec. 15) or the Beef O'Brady St. Petersburg Bowl (Dec. 21) if any of those bowls cannot fill their obligations. I'm not sure really sure which bowl gets the MAC if more than one of them does not meet its standard. Last year it was the New Mexico Bowl taking Temple.

The No. 5 MAC team is supposed to play in the Ticket City Bowl in Dallas (Jan. 1) if it cannot fill its slot (which seems extremely likley considering one of the teams is supposed to be from the Big Ten). Last year, the No. 5 MAC was supposed to take part in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (San Francisco) if needed, but that bowl actually was able to fill its spots with its regular tie-ins.

After that, the MAC would fill in wherever a spot is open. The Military Bowl (D.C., Dec. 27) has been one that has had an opening that went to a MAC team two out of the past three years. Army is slotted for it this year, so there will be at least one opening there, but the MAC has no contract to take part in the bowl in any way. There are a number of other bowls that undoubtedly will have openings.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:56 AM
63 teams eligible now.  Below are the probabilities for the remaining teams that are not qualified or disqualified per teamrankings.com .  A few minor upset games last week helped.  Baylor's upset of KSU means that they will probably now qualify.  All in all, if you all these up the most probable number is 70 or 71 just as it has been for weeks now.  CMU winning would not affect us as if the rules are still in place we would go aver a 6 win MAC team in any circumstance.

W Virginia 90.00%
VA Tech 86.00%
Central Mich 79.60%
Purdue 71.70%
Michigan St 68.80%
Baylor 66.60%
Mississippi 48.20%
Rice 47.00%
Troy 42.40%
Marshall 36.70%
S Methodist 34.60%
Pittsburgh 27.20%
Wake Forest 15.50%
Missouri 7.90%
Connecticut 6.90%
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:11 AM
Miami (FL) just self-imposed a bowl ban
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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:02 PM
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Miami (FL) just self-imposed a bowl ban


The ACC will probably petition the NCAA to allow it fill a slot with a 5-7 team, which could be Wake or Va Tech if they lose or UVa if they win (don't expect MD to be part of the mix now that it's going to the Big Tedozen).  Still, the ACC  is probably going to be three teams short of making its commitments, which I think puts the Music City Bowl into play.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:17 PM
Going into the Thanksgiving weekend games (Akron's loss to Toledo doesn't affect this), 61 teams are bowl eligible without needing any waivers + Georgia Tech (who has 6 wins but will play 13 games: we'll go ahead and assume that if they lose the ACC championship game and finish 5-7 that they will get a waiver to be bowl eligible by the time they make it to the locker room). That leaves 8 blow berths open. 47 teams are ineligible (again, without a waiver) and 15 teams who could become bowl eligible with a win. Of these teams, 2 (Baylor, WVU) need one win and have two games to get it. 2 other teams (UCONN, Pittsburgh) need to win their two final games. The other 11 teams (below) have one game left that will either qualify them or knock them out. 

Unlikely to get in: The following teams are, in my opinion, unlikely to get in.
1) UConn (11.5pt underdogs to Louisville this weekend AND if they won they'd still need a win against Cincinnati next weekend)
2) Wake Forest (10pt. underdogs to Vanderbilt)
3) Marshall (7pt. underdogs to ECU on the road) -- Lost, eliminated
4) Southern Methodist (5pt. underdogs to Tulsa. I could be wrong on this one)
5) Missouri (22pt. underdogs to Johnny Football and his Aggies)

Likely to get in (again, my opinion):
1) WVU (1.5pt. favorite against Iowa State this week and if that doesn't workout, they get Kansas to close out the season) - Won, eligible
2) Virginia Tech (10pt favorite over UVA. This is the opposite of SMU/Tulsa, wouldn't be surprised to be wrong)
3) Michigan State (8.5pt favorite over Minnesota)
4) CMU (10.5pt favorite over UMass) - Won, eligible

Tossups:
1) Purdue (play Indiana)
2) Rice (play UTEP)
3) Mississippi (play Mississippi State)
4) Troy (play MTSU)
5) Pittsburgh (needs to beat BOTH Rutgers and South Florida)
6) Baylor (needs to beat EITHER Texas Tech or Oklahoma State)

Counting Georgia Tech, I'm going to say that there are no more than 72 waiver-free bowl eligible teams (so 71 without Georgia Tech, who is an underdog against Georgia and FSU) and a chance that there are as few as 66 (but only a chance). I don't think a lot of waivers are going to be issued, but I don't think many (any?) eligible teams are staying home either.

Edit: 64 in (counting Georgia Tech),48 out. Still thinking 70-72 eligible
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Posted: 11/24/2012 5:17 PM
The total is now at 67 in, plus UTSA.  I don't think Ga Tech will need a waiver.  Under the priority list the NCAA posted in August, if Ga Tech loses the ACC championship game, they would be 6-7 and would be placed in line behind all non-transitional schools that are at least 6-6 and would be in line ahead of UTSA.  The ACC may ask the NCAA to move them up on the list to help the ACC fill as many slots as possible due to MiamiF's self-imposed ban and UNC's NCAA-imposed ban.  They're in a similar situation as UCLA last year; MiamiF would've gone to the ACC championship game if not for the ban, so Ga Tech wouldn't be 6-7 if it weren't for MiamiF's action.  Not sure how that would fly if that would cause some 7+ win teams to miss out. 
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:29 PM
I think that they would need a waiver to fill a bowl spot under an ACC primary or secondary contract ahead of, say, Ohio.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 10:44 PM
It is starting to look like 72 which brings in the remote possibility of missing out.
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