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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:16 PM
sounds like Mormonism.

when I came to OU I was grossly unprepared, didn't know how to do my own laundry, manage my time, had no idea what I wanted to study, etc. But I learned all of those life lessons at OU, how awesome is that?

I don't have anything against anyone holding off on college for a couple of years if that's their choice but I know for me it would have been devistating.  A couple of years in the real world would have likely sucked  me in and putting off college would have become a "I'll enrole next quarter" venture for eternity. I saw it happen to a lot of classmates who took a quarter off and never came back. 

To each his own I guess.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:55 PM
Its one thing to be immature and delay getting a job, drink too much, party too much, not have your life together, etc... That happens to everybody, particularly during that weird stretch between graduation and moving out/getting a job.

That said, its a completely other thing to DESTROY public property. And not just a porta-potty, but something that the town actually takes pride in. If you do something that dumb after spending 5 years at a university...you missed something.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:41 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Its one thing to be immature and delay getting a job, drink too much, party too much, not have your life together, etc... That happens to everybody, particularly during that weird stretch between graduation and moving out/getting a job.

That said, its a completely other thing to DESTROY public property. And not just a porta-potty, but something that the town actually takes pride in. If you do something that dumb after spending 5 years at a university...you missed something.


With you 100%
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:48 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Its one thing to be immature and delay getting a job, drink too much, party too much, not have your life together, etc... That happens to everybody, particularly during that weird stretch between graduation and moving out/getting a job.

That said, its a completely other thing to DESTROY public property. And not just a porta-potty, but something that the town actually takes pride in. If you do something that dumb after spending 5 years at a university...you missed something. 


Nicely said. Anyone who finds amusement in this story doesn't really have a concept of the dangers of drunk driving and/or the value of $91,000.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:10 PM
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[  Their son needs a lot of love right now as well as the aforementioned opportunity to get appropriate mental and spiritual help.



YOu can take that approach......... but if this is my son......and he would tell you this long before I could get it typed....he is gettin his ass whipped and figuring out what he has to sell to start paying off his bill. I don't care if he is 24 years old and bigger than me he is damn well going to represent this family and himself in the manner he was raised and man up to accept his responsibility. 

OCF I respect your approach but I think that is part of what is wrong with society right now. Getting drunk and destroying property has no consequences. IF folks were held a little more accountable . wherther it is a good kid like NOah or the cretin that beat kids up on the bus just for fun we may have a few less social problems and a little more respect for ourselves and others. Throw the mental and spiritual help in once accountability is established, lesson learned and restitution made and I am right there with ya.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:12 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
[ Their son needs a lot of love right now as well as the aforementioned opportunity to get appropriate mental and spiritual help.



YOu can take that approach......... but if this is my son......and he would tell you this long before I could get it typed....he is gettin his ass whipped and figuring out what he has to sell to start paying off his bill. I don't care if he is 24 years old and bigger than me he is damn well going to represent this family and himself in the manner he was raised and man up to accept his responsibility.

OCF I respect your approach but I think that is part of what is wrong with society right now. Getting drunk and destroying property has no consequences. IF folks were held a little more accountable . wherther it is a good kid like NOah or the cretin that beat kids up on the bus just for fun we may have a few less social problems and a little more respect for ourselves and others. Throw the mental and spiritual help in once accountability is established, lesson learned and restitution made and I am right there with ya.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:53 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
...OCF I respect your approach but I think that is part of what is wrong with society right now. Getting drunk and destroying property has no consequences. IF folks were held a little more accountable . wherther it is a good kid like NOah or the cretin that beat kids up on the bus just for fun we may have a few less social problems and a little more respect for ourselves and others. Throw the mental and spiritual help in once accountability is established, lesson learned and restitution made and I am right there with ya.

The only question I have is why some people assume that he isn't being held accountable? My assumption from the first moment I heard the story is that he, and the others involved WILL be held accountable. They already are facing serious criminal charges. It is possible that they will be able to negotiate out of the jail time in exchange for fulfilling civic duties. Obviously they are going to be required to make restitution. They will now have a criminal record. I would also expect that within their families there will be additional consequences.

Once we get beyond all that, is there more that he owes me? No. His debt is to his community, and to his family, not to me. The fact that I rooted for him as a football player has no bearing on how this plays out. He's just a 24 year old that made a very costly mistake,. and has to face the consequences.  And, if he does satisfy his debt to society, then what? Then as far as I'm concerned it's over and done with, with the exception of the blot on his record.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:58 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
[  Their son needs a lot of love right now as well as the aforementioned opportunity to get appropriate mental and spiritual help.



YOu can take that approach......... but if this is my son......and he would tell you this long before I could get it typed....he is gettin his ass whipped and figuring out what he has to sell to start paying off his bill. I don't care if he is 24 years old and bigger than me he is damn well going to represent this family and himself in the manner he was raised and man up to accept his responsibility. 

OCF I respect your approach but I think that is part of what is wrong with society right now. Getting drunk and destroying property has no consequences. IF folks were held a little more accountable . wherther it is a good kid like NOah or the cretin that beat kids up on the bus just for fun we may have a few less social problems and a little more respect for ourselves and others. Throw the mental and spiritual help in once accountability is established, lesson learned and restitution made and I am right there with ya.


Good points, borna.  I guess it depends for me on some of the details of this situation -- which I don't know -- whether the mental and spiritual help comes immediately or after the "tough love" that you mention.  I could see a case for both approaches depending on the specifics of the situation.  I do totally respect how you would handle your son because you know him better than anyone else and what a departure this would be from what he was taught as he was being raised.  In general I agree with the idea that we need a greater sense of personal accountability and responsibility in our society. 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:23 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
[  Their son needs a lot of love right now as well as the aforementioned opportunity to get appropriate mental and spiritual help.



YOu can take that approach......... but if this is my son......and he would tell you this long before I could get it typed....he is gettin his ass whipped and figuring out what he has to sell to start paying off his bill. I don't care if he is 24 years old and bigger than me he is damn well going to represent this family and himself in the manner he was raised and man up to accept his responsibility. 

OCF I respect your approach but I think that is part of what is wrong with society right now. Getting drunk and destroying property has no consequences. IF folks were held a little more accountable . wherther it is a good kid like NOah or the cretin that beat kids up on the bus just for fun we may have a few less social problems and a little more respect for ourselves and others. Throw the mental and spiritual help in once accountability is established, lesson learned and restitution made and I am right there with ya.


absolutely agree!
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:35 AM
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The only question I have is why some people assume that he isn't being held accountable?


I did not say that I thought he was not being held accountable. He turned himself in. I assume he is of high character and will make it right, learn fromthe lesson and represent himself, his family and his fans well in the future. Seemed like a stand up kid to me when he was here. .

My response was not with Keller but the response that assumed spiritual guidance and mental health counseling is appropriate and included nothing else in the body of the post....to which the OP responded....though I would not term what i described as "tough love". It is the consequnce of your actions. Assuming insurance will pay for something and there is no punishment is what is wrong with society....there is no personal accountability. WHile real criminals get away with Murder, theft , destruction and molestation,  the courts are busy busting people for consensual crimes that hurt no one.
Last Edited: 12/18/2012 10:38:55 AM by bornacatfan
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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:38 PM
It wasn't specifically you that I had in mind when I wrote that. I think people sort of subconsciously feel that somehow athletes can get away with things.  They shouldn't, and I suspect that, more often than not it works the other way, with them facing extra scrutiny.

As for insurance, I doubt it will pay, and it shouldn't. I'm pretty sure most, if not all insurance policies have a clause exempting payment for deliberate actions, which this was. I'm pretty sure that he, and the others, will end up with a high level of personal accountability.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:21 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
It wasn't specifically you that I had in mind when I wrote that. I think people sort of subconsciously feel that somehow athletes can get away with things.  They shouldn't, and I suspect that, more often than not it works the other way, with them facing extra scrutiny.


Hollywood actresses, on the other hand...
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Posted: 12/20/2012 6:55 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
It wasn't specifically you that I had in mind when I wrote that. I think people sort of subconsciously feel that somehow athletes can get away with things.  They shouldn't, and I suspect that, more often than not it works the other way, with them facing extra scrutiny.


Hollywood actresses, on the other hand...


And those damn politicians.
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