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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:54 AM
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I'd like to know what Nebraska fans have to say on the matter.


I've lived in Omaha for the last 5 years and the ones who care, and most don't because they are very happy to have Frank gone, say it's par for the course.  This is what you get with him.  Same problems year in and year out.  Excuses for those problems, but never answers. Just enough wins to keep enough people happy to save his skin.  Occasionally something "marquee" to make it look like he has a clue (ie. win over Penn State this year. Big 12 conference title in 99) but eventually the same old Frank shows up.

They also say that without Charlie McBride and Eric Crouch saving his skin early in his tenure, he would have maybe been a .500 coach.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:16 PM
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I'd like to know what Nebraska fans have to say on the matter.


I've lived in Omaha for the last 5 years and the ones who care, and most don't because they are very happy to have Frank gone, say it's par for the course.  This is what you get with him.  Same problems year in and year out.  Excuses for those problems, but never answers. Just enough wins to keep enough people happy to save his skin.  Occasionally something "marquee" to make it look like he has a clue (ie. win over Penn State this year. Big 12 conference title in 99) but eventually the same old Frank shows up.

They also say that without Charlie McBride and Eric Crouch saving his skin early in his tenure, he would have maybe been a .500 coach.


Please.  Really please just check coaches Bio from the Ohio Game Notes, link below. The four years before coah Solich at Ohio, 8 wins total, coach Solich's first four years, 23 wins, Solich's last four years, 35 wins.  We are talking Ohio here, 35 wins in four years, a bowl win, beat Penn State at Penn State. Thank God the same old Frank showed up.  Jim Grobe is a good coach, he has a clue and he is career .500, not a winning team in four years.  You want to run Coach Solich off after his outstanding success, silly, just silly.  The new recruits are now coming to Ohio for the coaches, not the campus, not the parties, for the coaching. Not counting 2012 they have developed 51 All-MAC players, not the most of any team in that time, but, Ohio is getting there. Give the coaches a QB that fits their system, not even offered by another MAC school and he is now the all-time Ohio QB in less than two years starting. The highes are higher, but, the lows are higher too.  To infer that coach Solich is clueless, well, that would be clueless. The second link is the Ohio history page from the MAC site.   

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/release/release_20121120aaa.pdf


http://www.mac-sports.com/Portals/20/Ohio.pdf
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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:46 PM
Let's not be too hard on our friend from Nebraska....The question was asked what the Nebraska people thought, and he answered their question.  I am sure many in Nebraska have similar thoughts as that gentleman, just as many in Athens have endearing thoughts and thanks for what Coach Solich has done for Ohio Football.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:43 PM
Sorry I can't post more here, but I need to go on some Pittsburgh boards to bash the AD.  And I'm battling some trolls on a Dallas site, I want them to accept how weak their OC is.  I don't follow those teams or anything, it's just part of my value system to go on those boards and tear down certain individuals.  Don't ask me to explain.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:50 PM
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Let's not be too hard on our friend from Nebraska....The question was asked what the Nebraska people thought, and he answered their question.  I am sure many in Nebraska have similar thoughts as that gentleman, just as many in Athens have endearing thoughts and thanks for what Coach Solich has done for Ohio Football.


Not sure if he answered the question.  This year coach made a quick trip back to Nebraska for induction into the Husher HOF as a coach, this following his induction 20 years ago as a player. link below, internet wonderfull. There does seem to be considerable love for coach S there.

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=205499039&SPID=22&SPSID=1
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Posted: 11/27/2012 6:15 PM
Sure there's love for him, he was a great player, he was a long time part of that program. However, I am sure many were happy when he was let go. I'd compare it to our own Coach Hunter, if brought back and honored, he would get much adulation for what he accomplished, but that does not mean many were not ready for a new direction.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:11 PM
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Sure there's love for him, he was a great player, he was a long time part of that program. However, I am sure many were happy when he was let go. I'd compare it to our own Coach Hunter, if brought back and honored, he would get much adulation for what he accomplished, but that does not mean many were not ready for a new direction.


Solich in five years was 58-19, .753, twice was B12 Coach of the Year, One Conf Championship.  New direction, right, yes. Bill Calihan, 4 years, 27-22, .551, two losing seasons in four years, 5-7 in 2007 worst record since 1958.  Time for that old direction, too late to get Solich back, they rehired his old DC, OC, WR coach etc.  So much for fixing what aint broke. Their new direction sucked. The new AD (Pederson) that fired Solich was fired too.  Ask the Nebraska fans, Solich or Pederson? Most would say the many were clueless. Oh, that 99 conf ship was their last, they are still waiting for another, mabe next week.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:48 PM
Wow, chill dude, guy was asked his opinion and gave it. This is like the firing of Earl Bruce, a popular and successful coach, played for a National Title! Won Big 10 Titles, but was given the door dispute success! Both followed legends and both found success elsewhere. However, I doubt any fans of either school jumped off the Sears Tower after their firing!
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Posted: 11/28/2012 11:30 AM
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Sure there's love for him, he was a great player, he was a long time part of that program. However, I am sure many were happy when he was let go. I'd compare it to our own Coach Hunter, if brought back and honored, he would get much adulation for what he accomplished, but that does not mean many were not ready for a new direction.


Solich in five years was 58-19, .753, twice was B12 Coach of the Year, One Conf Championship.  New direction, right, yes. Bill Calihan, 4 years, 27-22, .551, two losing seasons in four years, 5-7 in 2007 worst record since 1958.  Time for that old direction, too late to get Solich back, they rehired his old DC, OC, WR coach etc.  So much for fixing what aint broke. Their new direction sucked. The new AD (Pederson) that fired Solich was fired too.  Ask the Nebraska fans, Solich or Pederson? Most would say the many were clueless. Oh, that 99 conf ship was their last, they are still waiting for another, mabe next week.


While I appreciate BillyTheCat coming to my defense, I'll chime in again.  He asked what Nebraska people think. I work with literally hundreds of Husker fans. What I said was based on 5 years of listening to them. I have not heard one single person say it was a bad idea to let Frank go. Most people around here wanted Bo Pelini to replace him then, and Bo had only been here one year at the time! Obviously Bill Callahan wasn't the answer, but the feeling in this state was that Frank was not BCS HC material and any early success was because of Osborne's players and Charlie McBride's defense. Yes, he was inducted to the hall of fame. People respect what he did for years as a member of the program.  But they are not, from what I have witnessed, in the least bit upset that he was fired.  Many do not like Steve Pederson, but I haven't talked to any who think he made the wrong choice in letting Frank go. They just think he f'd up in hiring the next guy. 

And one more thing. I never inferred that Solich is clueless.  I said the feeling is, without McBride and Crouch, he would have been a .500 coach. Average is not clueless. Don't put words in my mouth. As one former player who played under both Osborne and Solich said (name escapes me right now) "For coach Osborne, football was a chess game. For Solich, it's checkers."
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Posted: 11/28/2012 11:38 AM
That would have been DeAngelo Evans, I read that in a reprint of an old ESPN article this summer.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8148642&wjb
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Posted: 11/29/2012 9:29 AM
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Sure there's love for him, he was a great player, he was a long time part of that program. However, I am sure many were happy when he was let go. I'd compare it to our own Coach Hunter, if brought back and honored, he would get much adulation for what he accomplished, but that does not mean many were not ready for a new direction.


Solich in five years was 58-19, .753, twice was B12 Coach of the Year, One Conf Championship.  New direction, right, yes. Bill Calihan, 4 years, 27-22, .551, two losing seasons in four years, 5-7 in 2007 worst record since 1958.  Time for that old direction, too late to get Solich back, they rehired his old DC, OC, WR coach etc.  So much for fixing what aint broke. Their new direction sucked. The new AD (Pederson) that fired Solich was fired too.  Ask the Nebraska fans, Solich or Pederson? Most would say the many were clueless. Oh, that 99 conf ship was their last, they are still waiting for another, mabe next week.


While I appreciate BillyTheCat coming to my defense, I'll chime in again.  He asked what Nebraska people think. I work with literally hundreds of Husker fans. What I said was based on 5 years of listening to them. I have not heard one single person say it was a bad idea to let Frank go. Most people around here wanted Bo Pelini to replace him then, and Bo had only been here one year at the time! Obviously Bill Callahan wasn't the answer, but the feeling in this state was that Frank was not BCS HC material and any early success was because of Osborne's players and Charlie McBride's defense. Yes, he was inducted to the hall of fame. People respect what he did for years as a member of the program.  But they are not, from what I have witnessed, in the least bit upset that he was fired.  Many do not like Steve Pederson, but I haven't talked to any who think he made the wrong choice in letting Frank go. They just think he f'd up in hiring the next guy. 

And one more thing. I never inferred that Solich is clueless.  I said the feeling is, without McBride and Crouch, he would have been a .500 coach. Average is not clueless. Don't put words in my mouth. As one former player who played under both Osborne and Solich said (name escapes me right now) "For coach Osborne, football was a chess game. For Solich, it's checkers."


Someone inferred it.  Quote from you above.  "Occasionally something "marquee" to make it look like he has a clue" Not putting words in your mouth.  Knee jerk reactions like Pederson firing Solich usually have poor results.  McBride was very good.  Solich asked Bohl to follow McBride and Bohl's defenses had trouble with some powerhouse offenses from Kansas State, Colorado and in the National Championship Game against a very good Miami team.  Solich had to let Bohl go and it was Solich who first brought Pelini in as DC.  The result was 7-7 became 9-3, but Pederson had his mind made up.  Solich, Pelini and Bohl have all landed on their feet, Bohl is a head coach with a national championship. Pelini might win the B1G this year and Solich has given Ohio 35 wins these last four years, a bowl win and a win at Penn State.  Evans did say the chess/checkers thing.  He had lots of injuries, was making demands for playing time, quit the team, asked to come back and was not accepted back.  He now admits the way he handled it was a mistake.  His mother said he made "foolish, young, hasty mistake."  link below.  Actually since Osborne won 250 faster than any coach he probably was in a league of his own, Solich would probably acknowledge that.

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/13681-deangelo-evans-is-trying-to-turn-his-failed-football-dreams-into-a-successful-business/
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Sure there's love for him, he was a great player, he was a long time part of that program. However, I am sure many were happy when he was let go. I'd compare it to our own Coach Hunter, if brought back and honored, he would get much adulation for what he accomplished, but that does not mean many were not ready for a new direction.


Solich in five years was 58-19, .753, twice was B12 Coach of the Year, One Conf Championship.  New direction, right, yes. Bill Calihan, 4 years, 27-22, .551, two losing seasons in four years, 5-7 in 2007 worst record since 1958.  Time for that old direction, too late to get Solich back, they rehired his old DC, OC, WR coach etc.  So much for fixing what aint broke. Their new direction sucked. The new AD (Pederson) that fired Solich was fired too.  Ask the Nebraska fans, Solich or Pederson? Most would say the many were clueless. Oh, that 99 conf ship was their last, they are still waiting for another, mabe next week.


While I appreciate BillyTheCat coming to my defense, I'll chime in again.  He asked what Nebraska people think. I work with literally hundreds of Husker fans. What I said was based on 5 years of listening to them. I have not heard one single person say it was a bad idea to let Frank go. Most people around here wanted Bo Pelini to replace him then, and Bo had only been here one year at the time! Obviously Bill Callahan wasn't the answer, but the feeling in this state was that Frank was not BCS HC material and any early success was because of Osborne's players and Charlie McBride's defense. Yes, he was inducted to the hall of fame. People respect what he did for years as a member of the program.  But they are not, from what I have witnessed, in the least bit upset that he was fired.  Many do not like Steve Pederson, but I haven't talked to any who think he made the wrong choice in letting Frank go. They just think he f'd up in hiring the next guy. 

And one more thing. I never inferred that Solich is clueless.  I said the feeling is, without McBride and Crouch, he would have been a .500 coach. Average is not clueless. Don't put words in my mouth. As one former player who played under both Osborne and Solich said (name escapes me right now) "For coach Osborne, football was a chess game. For Solich, it's checkers."


Someone inferred it.  Quote from you above.  "Occasionally something "marquee" to make it look like he has a clue" Not putting words in your mouth.  Knee jerk reactions like Pederson firing Solich usually have poor results.  McBride was very good.  Solich asked Bohl to follow McBride and Bohl's defenses had trouble with some powerhouse offenses from Kansas State, Colorado and in the National Championship Game against a very good Miami team.  Solich had to let Bohl go and it was Solich who first brought Pelini in as DC.  The result was 7-7 became 9-3, but Pederson had his mind made up.  Solich, Pelini and Bohl have all landed on their feet, Bohl is a head coach with a national championship. Pelini might win the B1G this year and Solich has given Ohio 35 wins these last four years, a bowl win and a win at Penn State.  Evans did say the chess/checkers thing.  He had lots of injuries, was making demands for playing time, quit the team, asked to come back and was not accepted back.  He now admits the way he handled it was a mistake.  His mother said he made "foolish, young, hasty mistake."  link below.  Actually since Osborne won 250 faster than any coach he probably was in a league of his own, Solich would probably acknowledge that.

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/13681-deangelo-evans-is-trying-to-turn-his-failed-football-dreams-into-a-successful-business/


Again, why are you arguing with me? I'm relaying the general feeling here. Someone said they wanted to know what Nebraska fans thought and I offered my interpretation of how they feel.  If you have a problem with it, take it up with Nebraska fans. Who, in case you have not noticed, have experienced a lot more winning in their lives than we Ohio fans have. I tend to take their opinion on the matter as what could be considered an expert one.  And in their opinion, Frank deserved to be let go. You are currently making an argument to people who are not here and don't care what you think.  But if you want to argue with me, I will go so far as to say what they have told me appears to be true.  He's good, not great, coach. Always be prepared with Frank at the helm to be disappointed if championships are what you crave.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 6:39 PM
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Sure there's love for him, he was a great player, he was a long time part of that program. However, I am sure many were happy when he was let go. I'd compare it to our own Coach Hunter, if brought back and honored, he would get much adulation for what he accomplished, but that does not mean many were not ready for a new direction.


Solich in five years was 58-19, .753, twice was B12 Coach of the Year, One Conf Championship.  New direction, right, yes. Bill Calihan, 4 years, 27-22, .551, two losing seasons in four years, 5-7 in 2007 worst record since 1958.  Time for that old direction, too late to get Solich back, they rehired his old DC, OC, WR coach etc.  So much for fixing what aint broke. Their new direction sucked. The new AD (Pederson) that fired Solich was fired too.  Ask the Nebraska fans, Solich or Pederson? Most would say the many were clueless. Oh, that 99 conf ship was their last, they are still waiting for another, mabe next week.


While I appreciate BillyTheCat coming to my defense, I'll chime in again.  He asked what Nebraska people think. I work with literally hundreds of Husker fans. What I said was based on 5 years of listening to them. I have not heard one single person say it was a bad idea to let Frank go. Most people around here wanted Bo Pelini to replace him then, and Bo had only been here one year at the time! Obviously Bill Callahan wasn't the answer, but the feeling in this state was that Frank was not BCS HC material and any early success was because of Osborne's players and Charlie McBride's defense. Yes, he was inducted to the hall of fame. People respect what he did for years as a member of the program.  But they are not, from what I have witnessed, in the least bit upset that he was fired.  Many do not like Steve Pederson, but I haven't talked to any who think he made the wrong choice in letting Frank go. They just think he f'd up in hiring the next guy. 

And one more thing. I never inferred that Solich is clueless.  I said the feeling is, without McBride and Crouch, he would have been a .500 coach. Average is not clueless. Don't put words in my mouth. As one former player who played under both Osborne and Solich said (name escapes me right now) "For coach Osborne, football was a chess game. For Solich, it's checkers."


Someone inferred it.  Quote from you above.  "Occasionally something "marquee" to make it look like he has a clue" Not putting words in your mouth.  Knee jerk reactions like Pederson firing Solich usually have poor results.  McBride was very good.  Solich asked Bohl to follow McBride and Bohl's defenses had trouble with some powerhouse offenses from Kansas State, Colorado and in the National Championship Game against a very good Miami team.  Solich had to let Bohl go and it was Solich who first brought Pelini in as DC.  The result was 7-7 became 9-3, but Pederson had his mind made up.  Solich, Pelini and Bohl have all landed on their feet, Bohl is a head coach with a national championship. Pelini might win the B1G this year and Solich has given Ohio 35 wins these last four years, a bowl win and a win at Penn State.  Evans did say the chess/checkers thing.  He had lots of injuries, was making demands for playing time, quit the team, asked to come back and was not accepted back.  He now admits the way he handled it was a mistake.  His mother said he made "foolish, young, hasty mistake."  link below.  Actually since Osborne won 250 faster than any coach he probably was in a league of his own, Solich would probably acknowledge that.

http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/13681-deangelo-evans-is-trying-to-turn-his-failed-football-dreams-into-a-successful-business/


Again, why are you arguing with me? I'm relaying the general feeling here. Someone said they wanted to know what Nebraska fans thought and I offered my interpretation of how they feel.  If you have a problem with it, take it up with Nebraska fans. Who, in case you have not noticed, have experienced a lot more winning in their lives than we Ohio fans have. I tend to take their opinion on the matter as what could be considered an expert one.  And in their opinion, Frank deserved to be let go. You are currently making an argument to people who are not here and don't care what you think.  But if you want to argue with me, I will go so far as to say what they have told me appears to be true.  He's good, not great, coach. Always be prepared with Frank at the helm to be disappointed if championships are what you crave.



Not arguing.  I continue to reply to what I find is misinformation or debatable.  What appears to me is that Solich is a great coach. A good coach, Grobe, had Ohio for six years and was 33-33-1, two winning seasons, no division championships, no bowls no bowl wins and never ranked, even prematurely.  Coach Solich has taken Ohio way past what a good coach could.  He is 58-44, there have been three division champioships, four bowls, Ohio's first bowl win and and a win at a place called Beaver Stadium. The Coaches Hall of Fame criteria requires 10 years at 60% winning. So far coach Solich is 65% over 14 years. The MAC Championship is still unfinished busines, but, there has been plenty of other winning that makes me believe it is close.  Yes, it appears to me he is a great coach. 
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How many great coaches fail to capture a conference championship in nearly a decade?
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Posted: 11/29/2012 7:43 PM
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How many great coaches fail to capture a conference championship in nearly a decade?


Depends, does he have to take over a perennial bottom 10 team. If so the first four should not count.
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How many great coaches fail to capture a conference championship in nearly a decade?


Depends, does he have to take over a perennial bottom 10 team. If so the first four should not count.


So Brian Kelly's championship doesn't count.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 9:03 PM
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Depends, does he have to take over a perennial bottom 10 team. If so the first four should not count.


So Brian Kelly's championship doesn't count.


All right. I give. Solich has not won the MAC in 8 years, nothing else matters. Yes Kelly is who Ohio needs, like Grobe, gone at the first chance.. Now where is CMU? 
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Posted: 11/29/2012 9:17 PM
Coaching consistency certainly helps us more than it hurts us, especially a coach of Solich's reputaion and caliber.   Is he Bear Bryant, no.    But who else could come into Athens and turn this program around and have the success he's had here...........AND stick around as long as he has.   Obviously coaches get scooped up quickly with a wink of success out of our conference.   If Solich was 45 he'd be gone.   HIs ability to look a recruit and their family in the eye and tell them he'll be in Athens the next four years has to play well when compared to an up and comer who uses the MAC as a stepping stone.   Suiggesting we get rid of him and his staff is absolutely crazy.   Be very careful what you wish for.
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Yes Kelly is who Ohio needs, like Grobe, gone at the first chance.


See, you don't even know what you're talking about. Stick to sniffing Solich's jock and stop pretending like you give a crap about Ohio. Scratch that: You're not even pretending. Why Grobe left has been well documented. Don't get mad because I don't accept your constant spin. And where is CMU now? Three championships ahead of Ohio since Solich came to Athens. Here's the reality: Great coaches don't stay in this conference long these days.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 9:34 PM
I like Solich but the reality is MAC East teams Akron, Buffalo, Miami, and now maybe Kent State will have all won MACCs during Frank's tenure before him. There's really no excuse for that, and getting there 3 times and losing doesn't make it better.

and you can hardly say Brookhart, Gill and Haywood are great coaches.
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and you can hardly say Brookhart, Gill and Haywood are great coaches.


None of them are coaches on the FBS level anymore. Gill is the only one with a job at all (I'm assuming Brookhart is gone at CU along with the rest of the staff).
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I'm not sure what type of bee got into JSF's bonnet, but I tend to agree with the general thrust of Bcat's statements.  I think it's pretty clear that without all of the injuries we had this year we'd be in Detroit and playing against NIU again.  Frank has done wonders at Ohio.  He's building a program, not padding a resume for the short run.  Yes, I'm very disappointed with the way this year has turned out.  I'm still hoping for a good bowl game and a victory after several weeks of healing time for some of our injured guys.   GO OHIO!
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I'm not sure what type of bee got into JSF's bonnet, but I tend to agree with the general thrust of Bcat's statements.


I'm tired of his attitude that we should never, ever question the coaching staff. I'm tired of him coming across like we're lucky and not really worthy of Frank Solich and we should just shut up and be grateful he graces us with his presence. As soon as Solich is done in Athens, he'll be gone from this board. He's not an Ohio fan.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:12 PM
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I like Solich but the reality is MAC East teams Akron, Buffalo, Miami, and now maybe Kent State will have all won MACCs during Frank's tenure before him. There's really no excuse for that, and getting there 3 times and losing doesn't make it better.

and you can hardly say Brookhart, Gill and Haywood are great coaches.
Not to mention Grobe's situation inherited was way worse and Miami and Marshall were playing on a national stage and in our same division. Today, it's just a rotating horde of mediocre teams winning titles while we beat up on Gardner-Webb, NMSU etc....what is our record against teams that are above .500
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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:16 PM
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I'm not sure what type of bee got into JSF's bonnet, but I tend to agree with the general thrust of Bcat's statements. I think it's pretty clear that without all of the injuries we had this year we'd be in Detroit and playing against NIU again. Frank has done wonders at Ohio. He's building a program, not padding a resume for the short run. Yes, I'm very disappointed with the way this year has turned out. I'm still hoping for a good bowl game and a victory after several weeks of healing time for some of our injured guys. GO OHIO!
I am not even close to conceding that we win the East if not for all the injuries. We'd be better definitely, but the funny thing is the part of the team that was most hurt, preformed the best this year (secondary), and the most healthy simply feel apart (o-line).
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