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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:50 AM
Vetting Manti.  That's what a very good journalist would attempt and Mr. Burke falls into that category.

It would have been nice to see similar vetting of a guy who said he had a relationship with a woman and wrote it in a book--but that relationship was a phony.  Years after the fact  we learn that the woman really didn't exist but was rather a composite of many women.  

So all the questions that are being asked of Mr. Teo should have been brought up by responsible journalists in this other case.  However, since the outcome may have been likely detrimental to their "guy", stories like this were not pursued and the public at large never learned.

Manti for President!

Whoops, better first change that religion. 

 
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:51 AM
Donuts, et al, didn't the new Mr. T. say that he had met this young lady after a Stanford game?  I thought that I read that somewhere in one of the stories about this sad affair.  If so, from the point he made that statement he either was stating falsehoods and knew he was stating falsehoods or he has a serious mental disorder.  In the former case I wouldn't put his lies in the category of "white lies."  If the latter, I have all sorts of sympathy for him and hope he gets the care he needs.  

Edit: Here's a story from the South Bend Tribune based on an interview with Manti and his family that contains these lines:
 
And Manti Te’o is convinced the beautiful stranger will be watching too Saturday, somehow.
Lennay Kekua was a Stanford student and Cardinal football fan when the two exchanged glances, handshakes and phone numbers that fateful weekend three seasons ago.

Though it's not a direct quotation, in context of the article, it appears clear that the statement came from Manti.  
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Posted: 1/18/2013 12:00 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
And now ESPN has interviewed a teammate saying Manti "ate the publicity up."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8854472/teammate-manti-teo-says-player-played-girlfriend-angle


This is for Jerry86, here is another annoymous teammate.  Like I said above, no teammate who wants to stay in school or on the team is going to come public with this sham.  But they all know it.  Funny, Coach Kelly seems real quiet.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 12:31 PM
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Donuts, et al, didn't the new Mr. T. say that he had met this young lady after a Stanford game?  I thought that I read that somewhere in one of the stories about this sad affair.  If so, from the point he made that statement he either was stating falsehoods and knew he was stating falsehoods or he has a serious mental disorder.  In the former case I wouldn't put his lies in the category of "white lies."  If the latter, I have all sorts of sympathy for him and hope he gets the care he needs.  

Edit: Here's a story from the South Bend Tribune based on an interview with Manti and his family that contains these lines:
 
And Manti Te’o is convinced the beautiful stranger will be watching too Saturday, somehow.
Lennay Kekua was a Stanford student and Cardinal football fan when the two exchanged glances, handshakes and phone numbers that fateful weekend three seasons ago.

Though it's not a direct quotation, in context of the article, it appears clear that the statement came from Manti.  


I wouldn't call it a mental disorder that he wants to hide an online relationship. Considering all of the jokes that have been made about him concerning just that aspect of the story tells everyone all you need to know about culture accepting that.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:29 PM
People have to admit it's at least plausible Te'o was hoaxed, at least for a whole.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:36 PM
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..5. There really was a Lennay Kekua,but she was an alien and she had blown her cover, so Will Smith had to deport her back to Venus. He forgot to neuralize Reagan Mauia, which is why he remembers meeting her.

Hmm. yes, that might be it, too.

In any case, here is some more research from ESPN. They have interviewed a confidant of Tuiasosopo, identified "Reba", plus the previously mentioned earlier victim of Kekua, plus the people who have been mentioned as tweeting making fun of the situation or claiming to be the real Kekua, apparently cousins of the first victim, plus the voice of Kekua for phone calls, apparently a female cousin of Tuiasosopo.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 2:11 PM
Te'o had a pretend girlfriend cause he knew if he had a real girlfriend Brent Musberger would be hitting on her.

Seriously though, I think Te'o is really in need of a REAL shrink.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 3:01 PM
Amazing that they met in 2009.  According to family the two were in touch throughout 2010 and 2011.  And the Catfishing movie came about in 2010.  He was in on the early phenomenon!!!  Amazing.  I also give great credit to the "fishers" to keep this up for almost 1000 days.  True dedication. 
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Posted: 1/19/2013 9:58 AM
Te'o apparently did an off-the-camera interview with ESPN, telling his side of the story. He claims Tuiasosopo has confessed to him. He also claims that he lied to his parents, and others about not ever having met Kekua, and that when he tried to Skype, the picture was always blocked. Additionally he says that the relationship was not continuous, but off again-on again, and that after his grandmother's death the girl reached out to him, and he didn't want to be bothered, so they fought, and then later was told she had died. He also claims that the Dec. 6th call was not actually a call with a confession, but a call trying to resume the relationship, which was very confusing to him.

The big question is, where is Tuiasosopo, and why hasn't he come forward to tell his version? Where is this alleged girl that made the calls? The second biggest unresolved question is, did Te'o provide his phone records to show all these purported conversations?
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1. Manti was in on it, and did it for publicity
2. Manti was in on it, and did it to cover for being gay
3. Manti was the victim of a "catfish" scheme, and he and his family made a few "white lies" along the way, so that no one would ask how it was that he never actually met her in real life, and these are now coming back to haunt him
4. "Reba" was actually in on it. If Manti or his family thought they really met Kekua, they may have really met "Reba".

5. There really was a Lennay Kekua,but she was an alien and she had blown her cover, so Will Smith had to deport her back to Venus. He forgot to neuralize Reagan Mauia, which is why he remembers meeting her.


The best explanation for Tuiasosopo's silence is probably #5, and that he, too, has returned to Venus. BTW, they may not have forgotten to use the neuralizer on Mauia - I'm pretty sure neuralizers don't work on fullbacks.

Sadly my take is that he's probably out trying to sign a movie contract before he speaks.  As for the girl, where is she? If she exists, I would think she would want to speak up, and tell the truth.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 3:15 PM
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First, let me congratulate Tim Burke for an excellent investigative journalism piece!  He's done the Scripps School of Journalism up proud with this one.  As an alumnus of the J-school I'm personally very honored to have Tim as one of our number.


Thanks, OCF! 
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Posted: 1/19/2013 3:30 PM
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:01 PM
If I where you............I'd be leaving what a great idea.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:31 PM
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Posted: 1/20/2013 4:36 AM
Beside TBurke's good work, I could search for years and still not find anything at all that interests me about this story.

Mostly it's about how America is an idiot for paying any attention to this.

Peoples must have something better to do with their time.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:46 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Beside TBurke's good work, I could search for years and still not find anything at all that interests me about this story.

Mostly it's about how America is an idiot for paying any attention to this.

Peoples must have something better to do with their time.


I thought a huge rule in journalism was to write about stuff that people care about? If you find no interest in it and think it is a total waste of time, how could he have done "good work" in this case?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:24 AM
I took Monroe's comments to mean:

1) It's silly and sad that people care about this sort of thing,
2) People DO care about this sort of thing,
3) Great job by T. Burke with his reporting about something that people care about, and
4) I don't care about it at all other than Burke was involved.

 
If that's what Monroe meant, I agree 100%.  If it's not what he meant, sorry to Monroe.  
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:27 AM
Indeed Burke did a good job of research here, but it is also true that he hit on a hot-button of societal significance, the problem of knowing just exactly who you are really dealing with in an internet relationship. As a result the story is spawning a lot of followup articles related to the whole topic of internet relationships. Here are a couple samples:
Crazy Internet Relationships
In the wake of Te'o

I predict that Burke's work will have legs that long outlive the actual details, and it will become a frequently cited example of the dangers of internet relationships, and how not to have one.

By the way, I don't particularly care about the specific people in Burke's article. I do care about the effect that internet relationships have on society, and it is clear that it is a very, very different world out there that it was when I was his age, and not necessarily for the better. I do hope that the story helps some young people avoid making similar mistakes, and so I do think it is an important article that extends well beyond the bounds of the specific people involved. While I haven't ever used any of the social networking sites, I do have kids, and so a little understanding of them is good for me to have.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:01 PM
This Donut character seems to be quite the hater of a journalist who did a great job, and who is working hard in his profession.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:08 PM
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This Donut character seems to be quite the hater of a journalist who did a great job, and who is working hard in his profession.


Not a hater at all on this article, I just didn't understand Monroe's comment and was seeking clarification.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:59 PM
Donuts was complimentary of Burke, and the article earlier in the thread. I took his post as just pointing out an inconsistency in what Monroe said.

Ronaiah Tuiasosopo has yet to speak, but his family has retained council and they will have something to say later this week.

Te'o and his parents to appear with Katie Couric Thursday. This article also reveals a bit of the research done by the private investigators hired by Notre Dame. While it doesn't appear to have been as comprehensive as Burke's work, they reached more or less the same point. They concluded Kekua and her family was fictitious, and found that the address she gave Te'o led to the home of Ronaiah Tuiasosopo. They did not bother researching cell phone records, which is puzzling, since I'm sure they could have had access if they requested it.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:08 PM
donuts is both a passive/aggressive case and a case otherwise.

can't distinguish between my compliment to a good job done by one of OUr own and the fact that I don't care about the topic?  might be slightly inconsistent.  but anyone who wasn't looking to be arse would understand.

i'm tired of this donuts' seeking to provoke, misread what people write, and generally being negative.

why doesn't he try making good thoughts instead of irking away at what others post.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:09 AM
I took his question to be opening a philosophical debate, much like "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound?" Can it be good journalism if it's about something no one cares about?
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:30 AM
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I took his question to be opening a philosophical debate, much like "If a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound?" Can it be good journalism if it's about something no one cares about?


Value comes and goes, like the market for classic cars.  Also I could see a journalism professor concerned for students financial future stressing the importance of focusing on what there in is interest.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 4:29 PM
For an article that supposedly no one is interested in, Burke's article continues to spawn a tremendous amount of additional research and stories. Among recent news:
Te'o actually did send roses, as did his parents, to the address he had for Kekua's parents. (Roniah had lived at that house until the story broke, and he vanished)

Other Tuiasosopos used to live there, including his uncle and father. Six doors away from that house, there actually is a Kekua family, but no Lennay. Kris Kekua has no idea why his family name was chosen.

On the Dec. 6th call, the female playing Lennay supposedly said she was not really dead, but had faked her death to avoid drug dealers. She tried to restart the relationship, but Te'o ended up going to Notre Dame officials instead.

Kekua apparently lined up a date in 2007-2008 between Roniah and Miss South Pacific 2007.


It has also spawned social commentary, from both those that believe and those that don't:
The biggest lies in Sports

Lance Armstrong, Manti Te'o take lying to new heights
Manti Te'o, 'catfishing' and online cons
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Posted: 1/21/2013 5:12 PM
C'mon L.C., America is an idiot for paying any attention to this. Peoples must have something better to do with their time.

All kidding aside, now that I re-read the original article, I am a little disappointed in the tone at times. The "80% sure Te'o was in on it" part, even if it is just a quote, makes me wish it was a bit more neutral and just reported what was known as facts at the time. Reading the article again knowing what we know now sure seems to make Te'o appear to have his hands dirty.Oh well.

The funniest thing I think is when people are saying this will kill his draft stock. So many other questionable characters have been drafted high, so I doubt an online girlfriend is going to scare NFL teams.
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