menu
Logo
Ohio Football Topic
Topic: And it begins...Injuries
Page: 2 of 2
Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 9/5/2013 10:33 AM
Against Louie, we looked out-strengthed on the lines.  I hope that was because we had a lot of new guys playing..inexperience.  In the past, we've competed well enough with teams that were bigger than us.

Did I expect there to be not a second on the field against Louisville that we were in the game?  No.

We also looked that way against BG last year--at least on offense. Well, if not out-strengthed, then like we had no answer.  None.

Louisville is good.  Quite good.  I didn't expect us to look rather clueless out there.  There's no reason for that.
GoCats105
General User
GC105
Member Since: 1/31/2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Post Count: 7,823
person
mail
GoCats105
mail
Posted: 9/5/2013 10:42 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Against Louie, we looked out-strengthed on the lines.  I hope that was because we had a lot of new guys playing..inexperience.  In the past, we've competed well enough with teams that were bigger than us.

Did I expect there to be not a second on the field against Louisville that we were in the game?  No.

We also looked that way against BG last year--at least on offense. Well, if not out-strengthed, then like we had no answer.  None.

Louisville is good.  Quite good.  I didn't expect us to look rather clueless out there.  There's no reason for that.


That's the problem I had. They just looked totally lost and above all else, like they didn't even want to be there. I've not seen an Ohio team do that in quite some time.
BillyTheCat
General User
BTC
Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 10,802
person
mail
BillyTheCat
mail
Posted: 9/5/2013 11:18 AM
Maybe this comes down more to the quality of athletes, their natural ability and physical size.  Yes all of these can be improved, but if school "A" is starting with a shell that is already faster, bigger, and stronger they are at a distinct advantage of team "B".  Also is the frame of the athlete, a kid who was 5'11" and 185 will be less effective at carrying 245lb than the kid who is 6'1" and 215 playing the same position. 

And Mike, that data once again lacks anything other than your opinions, that is not research and should not be presented as such.
L.C.
General User
LC
Member Since: 9/1/2005
Post Count: 10,584
person
mail
L.C.
mail
Posted: 9/5/2013 11:19 AM
I'm sure that it is true that where one team is stronger than the others, it increases the chances of injury of the weaker team. I'm also sure that flexibility has a role in injuries, too, as well as conditioning. Finally, failure to properly rotate players (i.e. making players play when tired) could contribute to injury. Still, there is going to be so much statistical variance due to the randomness of injuries, I'm not sure how you would try to analyze the data to see the problem.

My observation regarding relative strength of teams is based, not on injury data, but on how games play out. If one team is stronger than the other, and/or, has a better conditioning/rotation and is able to keep players fresh, it shows up in terms of results on the field, not just in injury data. When one team is stronger than the other, I find that after 1 1/2 quarters, the stronger team begins to dominate. Then, after a halftime rest, the weaker team is good for a little while, but by midway through the third quarter, the stronger team takes over again. The stronger team doesn't always win, but it often does.

Thus, if you want to see how strong Ohio is, relative to other teams, go back and look at results that way. Throw out games that are lopsided, and look at competitive games. How did Ohio fare in those times (last half of the 2d quarter, last half of the third quarter, fourth quarter). Examples come to mind that run both ways. In the 2008 game versus Ohio State, OSU was dominant in the those times. In the game last year against Penn State, Ohio was dominant in those times. Ohio also dominated those times versus Marshall and U.Mass last year.

As far as losses, Miami game was an example of where the stronger team in those key times did not win, as Ohio was stronger, but lost anyway. BG loss was more attributable to special teams miscues than anything, and was pretty even otherwise. Kent got ahead early, and other than that was hard fought. The only team that looks like they were stronger, based on my pattern, was Ball State.

What about Louisville? It was never a competitive game, so from my methodology, I can't draw any conclusions.
Last Edited: 9/5/2013 11:40:58 AM by L.C.
Bobcatbob
General User
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Coolville, OH
Post Count: 1,351
mail
Bobcatbob
mail
Posted: 9/5/2013 11:53 AM
I think we should pay more attention to Mike Johnson because this isn't rocket surgery, as the saying goes.  If strength was all that mattered then the NFL would be full of power lifters and WWE refugees.  It ain't.

I think it also stands to reason, as Mike's anecdote suggests, that if someone heavier, quicker and, maybe, a tad stronger is beating on you relentlessly for, what 22 minutes on offense, 38 on defense, you might get hurt.

Finally, I don't know of a training program that effectively simulates collisions and hyper extension of your joints.  I'm pretty sure we wouldn't implement it if it existed anyway.
PhiTau74
General User
PT74
Member Since: 8/6/2010
Location: Columbia, SC
Post Count: 458
person
mail
PhiTau74
mail
Posted: 9/5/2013 7:07 PM
Typically bigger stronger teams wear you out in the second half and role in the 4th quarter. These guys rolled from play one. We played a bigger stronger Ohio State several years ago and it didn't look anything like this game. I think they just were not prepared properly and didn't want it very badly. It shouldn't have been so dominating. I watch all the South Carolina games and they play weak teams but never ever dominate them like we got manhandled.
Last Edited: 9/5/2013 7:09:10 PM by PhiTau74
thad62
General User
T62
Member Since: 9/4/2013
Post Count: 2
person
mail
thad62
mail
Posted: 9/6/2013 1:50 PM
Yet an Ohio lineman won the 225 reps for the NFL combine of all lineman.  It's just what happens to lineman at all levels no matter if you're the strongest guy on the field, if another 300 pounder falls into your leg only bad things are going to happen, broken ankle, broken tibia or fibia, torn knee ligaments.
Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 9/8/2013 1:26 PM
Anyone have our health status for stupd cow...anyone hurt vs. North Texas...anyone coming back this week?  Thanks.
L.C.
General User
LC
Member Since: 9/1/2005
Post Count: 10,584
person
mail
L.C.
mail
Posted: 9/8/2013 11:22 PM
Updated with info from Arkley's blog:

Still recovering from surgery
Zack Murdock reserve OL - (will no doubt redshirt)
Out for year
John Tanner 3d string TE (shoulder, career may be over)
Davon Henry 3d string TE (shoulder popped)
Out for at least a few weeks
Justin Wyatt 3d string WR - (ankle sprain, out for a few weeks, may redshirt)
Ray Lichtenstein competitor for K job - (groin?)
Matt Amicone - competitor for K job (groin)
Mark Smith #2 C/LG - (hand injury, out for about 1-2 more weeks)
Keith Moore #1 WLB - (ankle, probably out 1-2 more weeks)
Jon Lechner #1LG  - (shoulder, had MRI, will be out multiple weeks)
Sam Johnson #1 RG - (ankle/knee, had MRI, will be out multiple weeks)
Out for unknown amount
Landon Smith #2 WR - (shoulder, unknown when he will be back)
Mario Dovell #1 WR - (knee, probably not back this week, but might be)
AJ Grady #1SLB - (shoulder - missed NT, probably back this week)
Ty Branz #1DE - (undisclosed, probably back this week)
Blake Scipio #2 Nickle- (ankle, unknown when he will be back)
 
Total missing - Six starters, three 2d teamers

Not much change from last week. With any luck this list will start getting shorter soon, and a lot of these are 1-3 week. injuries. We should be at the point where there are as many coming back from injury as new injuries.

Edit - Deleted a couple people from the list that apparently played either against Louisville or NTSU, per the participation report,  Jake Schany WLB and Devin Jones nickle/S. That's always risky, as they aren't always accurate.
Last Edited: 9/9/2013 12:57:25 PM by L.C.
thad62
General User
T62
Member Since: 9/4/2013
Post Count: 2
person
mail
thad62
mail
Posted: 9/9/2013 8:01 AM
Sam Johnson clearly has a knee injury as he was on the sideline with an immobilizing brace and crutches for the North Texas game, last year he broke his ankle/fibia on a similar play with a defensive lineman diving into the side of his leg.
BillyTheCat
General User
BTC
Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 10,802
person
mail
BillyTheCat
mail
Posted: 9/9/2013 12:37 PM
Last Edited: 9/9/2013 12:39:28 PM by BillyTheCat
Showing Messages: 26 - 36 of 36
MAC News Links



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)