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Posted: 9/23/2013 3:39 PM
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And having Vandy on their schedule is just like having Cal on their schedule. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo! They would have been playing the Purdue of the SEC. Play QUALITY teams from the quality conferences. 


Actually, Vandy is better than Cal. A LOT better. Ever watched a Vandy game? Purdue of the SEC is more like Mississippi State or Missouri at this point, not Vandy.

Besides, OSU and Louisville are going to have to do this every game if they want a shot at playing for the national title. Their respective conferences absoultely stink. I wonder if the same would have been said about Ohio had it been undefeated and playing for a chance for a BCS bowl down the road if it beat AP by 70? Hmmmm, methinks not.
  I don't recall NIU beating anyone by 70 last year.  So to answer your question.  No, I don't think a MAC Team would have to show their superiority over a weak team by scoring 70 just to ensure they don't lose any spots in the rankings.   It worked for O$U.  Did not work for U of L.  I believe the cards lost a spot in the ranking.  


Besides. if what everyone says is true about the Big12, 14, vs MAC then O$U playing FAMU is like us playing Centre College.... 
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It always amuses me when somebody wants the superior team to "hold back" and not "run up the score". It's not like a dad playing his three year old in checkers. If you don't want to get beat that bad don't schedule the game. If I were on the team getting whipped it would insult me if my coach agreed to shorten the game. You play the game to see what you're made of. If you get whipped, figure out how to get better and come back next week. After you graduate there is nobody holding back in the business world, so you had better toughen up and get better. If I were a coach I would never tell my team to hold back. Beat them 100 -zip if you can.
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I completely agree about 99% of that. Score at will pretty much, but you don't need to go for 2, and you don't need to keep throwing late in the game, unless of course you want to work on something. But why put them on your schedule in the first place? It does absolutely no good for your program, and honestly it can only hurt the program because if you lose, you drop in the ranks and lose a shot at the BCS title. And you don't "find" anything out about your team when you're playing FIAU or whatever they are. You find out something when you play the (well I would say Texas but they're not very good) Bama's, Sooners, Oregon. Teams like that. Season ticket holders are pissed too because they want to pay for games worth watching. No one wants to see Florida Atlantic get destroyed by OSU for 80-100 bucks a game. 

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the Buckeyes went for the 2pt conversion on their first 2 TDs vs Buffalo and their 2nd TD vs FAMU. They were running up the score early to break the other team's will. Notice they didn't try it once on the road. It's a dick move. period.

Against FAMU Ohio State went for it on 4th down FOUR times! they were 4-4.

1Q 7:27, OSU up 20-0. 4th and 1 on FAMU 23. Kick 40yd FG? Nope.
Same Drive- OSU up 20-0. 4th and 8 on FAMU 11. Kick 26yd FG? Nope.

2Q 2:36, OSU up 48-0. 4th and 5 on FAMU 30. Kick 47yd FG or punt? Nope

3Q 15:00, OSU up 55-0. 4th and 4 on FAMU 33. Kick 50yd FG or punt? Nope

No class. As if I needed another reason to despise the Suckeyes.

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The big boys want to play 7-8 home games because of the money primarily and as a way to pad their records as well. They can't play one for ones with many people if they want to play 7-8 home games. Who can they get to play there ? All the teams that need the money (some of who also hope to catch magic in the bottle and win).when they have the talent advantage that they often have, it's no wonder the scores get out if hand. Saying that, they can certainly let up on the pedal as far as play calling. Sounds like the eyes didn't do much of that.
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They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of.  Exactly what more are they supposed to do?  Take 3 knees and punt?  Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent?  The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule.  I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.

I guess since Miller is no longer in the Heisman running, this is Urban's plan to get his sixth string QB in the mix right up there with Teddy Bridgewater.  So, I agree they should score as many points as they can with their sixth string QB. 

Heisman candidates:
#6 O$U sixth string QB
#5 O$U fifth string QB
# 4 O$U fourth string QB
#3 O$U third string QB
#2 O$U second string QB 
#1 Teddy Bridgewater. 
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Against FAMU Ohio State went for it on 4th down FOUR times! they were 4-4.

1Q 7:27, OSU up 20-0. 4th and 1 on FAMU 23. Kick 40yd FG? Nope.
Same Drive- OSU up 20-0. 4th and 8 on FAMU 11. Kick 26yd FG? Nope.

2Q 2:36, OSU up 48-0. 4th and 5 on FAMU 30. Kick 47yd FG or punt? Nope

3Q 15:00, OSU up 55-0. 4th and 4 on FAMU 33. Kick 50yd FG or punt? Nope


I'd have to disagree with you. To me kicking a FG in that situation is running up the score as it's the percentage play.  Going for it on 4th and 5 or 4th and 8 over the long term is going to yield less points, which is precisely why most of the time coaches take the percentage play and kick the FG.

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Scheduling is the problem here. Ohio State had no business scheduling FL A&M. Who didn't expect this to get out of hand?

Didn't the Big Ten pass a rule in future years that their schools are not allowed to schedule FCS schools?
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Scheduling is the problem here. Ohio State had no business scheduling FL A&M. Who didn't expect this to get out of hand?

Didn't the Big Ten pass a rule in future years that their schools are not allowed to schedule FCS schools?


I don't know if they've banned it but they've at least discouraged their members from scheduling 1AA schools.  With them going to nine conference games and with the new selection process for the playoff, they won't want to schedule teams that don't help, and may only hurt, their schedule strength.
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They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of.  Exactly what more are they supposed to do?  Take 3 knees and punt?  Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent?  The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule.  I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.
How many passes did they throw after they were up by 35??  I can promise you that they could have controlled the score had they not been worried about losing a spot in the rankings.   

Tried to kid yourself all you want.  Maybe it will make you feel better.   


So let me just get this right: no pass attempts when the game is in hand.  Like when Vick was brought in during the 4th quarter of a game well in hand on Saturday?  Because of course we had to keep Tyler in the game through three quarters even though Austin Peay was out of it.  Yet Vick throws several pass attempts in the 4th quarter of a blowout.  But that's OK. 

"Kid yourself all you want." Wise words.  It's typical from someone who glorifies a Hocking Tech student tackling the OSU mascot, though.
Big difference between 70-0 vs 38-0.    Vick is our Back up and yes, backups need to get a bit of experience.  4th, 5th, 6th striing (as some posters mentioned) do not need the experience.   I don't recall J.D. Sprauges (sp) throwing the ball.  
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It always amuses me when somebody wants the superior team to "hold back" and not "run up the score". It's not like a dad playing his three year old in checkers. If you don't want to get beat that bad don't schedule the game. If I were on the team getting whipped it would insult me if my coach agreed to shorten the game. You play the game to see what you're made of. If you get whipped, figure out how to get better and come back next week. After you graduate there is nobody holding back in the business world, so you had better toughen up and get better. If I were a coach I would never tell my team to hold back. Beat them 100 -zip if you can.
It's called respect for the game and respect for your opponent.   Don't get me wrong, I hate the fact that we live in a world where everyone has to get a trophey and you can't keep score..... makes me sick.   However, there is a brotherhood among these players and they all know what is required of them to prepare for these games.    The team that got beat by 70 puts in as much work if not more than the one who just won by 70.  This is the "respect the game" portion I mentioned.  

Respect for people is a dying characteristic in our society....  It's all about me...and let me get mine...
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I agree with Giacmo. I'm of the belief if you don't want the other team to run up the score, stop them or don't schedule the game.  In the case of this game, just look at the line score.  Ohio state scored 34 in the first, 21 in the second, 14 in the third and 7 in the fourth quarter. They got up big and coasted.  All 32 plays they ran in the second half were running plays, including the 4th down they went for instead of kicking a FG. If they had run up the score, I think it would have been a lot more than 76.  


Also, I saw on Sports Center this game accounted for ~10% of FAMU's annual athletic budget. How many schools could FAMU play that would pay them close to $1 million for a game?
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  I don't recall NIU beating anyone by 70 last year.  So to answer your question.  No, I don't think a MAC Team would have to show their superiority over a weak team by scoring 70 just to ensure they don't lose any spots in the rankings.   It worked for O$U.  Did not work for U of L.  I believe the cards lost a spot in the ranking.  


Besides. if what everyone says is true about the Big12, 14, vs MAC then O$U playing FAMU is like us playing Centre College.... 


While it wasn't quite 70, NIU did beat UMass 63-0 last year.

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2012-2013...
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They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of.  Exactly what more are they supposed to do?  Take 3 knees and punt?  Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent?  The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule.  I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.
How many passes did they throw after they were up by 35??  I can promise you that they could have controlled the score had they not been worried about losing a spot in the rankings.   

Tried to kid yourself all you want.  Maybe it will make you feel better.   


So let me just get this right: no pass attempts when the game is in hand.  Like when Vick was brought in during the 4th quarter of a game well in hand on Saturday?  Because of course we had to keep Tyler in the game through three quarters even though Austin Peay was out of it.  Yet Vick throws several pass attempts in the 4th quarter of a blowout.  But that's OK. 

"Kid yourself all you want." Wise words.  It's typical from someone who glorifies a Hocking Tech student tackling the OSU mascot, though.
Big difference between 70-0 vs 38-0.    Vick is our Back up and yes, backups need to get a bit of experience.  4th, 5th, 6th striing (as some posters mentioned) do not need the experience.   I don't recall J.D. Sprauges (sp) throwing the ball.  


the last pass attempt came at 48-0, not 70-0. 
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Two things have to happen for 72-0. You either ran the score up, or the opponent was so weak that even when you try and hold up you still score in droves.  In either case it's a situation that should not have occurred, and Ohio State should be ashamed.  End of story.  
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They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of.  Exactly what more are they supposed to do?  Take 3 knees and punt?  Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent?  The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule.  I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.
How many passes did they throw after they were up by 35??  I can promise you that they could have controlled the score had they not been worried about losing a spot in the rankings.   

Tried to kid yourself all you want.  Maybe it will make you feel better.   


So let me just get this right: no pass attempts when the game is in hand.  Like when Vick was brought in during the 4th quarter of a game well in hand on Saturday?  Because of course we had to keep Tyler in the game through three quarters even though Austin Peay was out of it.  Yet Vick throws several pass attempts in the 4th quarter of a blowout.  But that's OK. 

"Kid yourself all you want." Wise words.  It's typical from someone who glorifies a Hocking Tech student tackling the OSU mascot, though.


Now that hurt my feelings. 
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They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of.  Exactly what more are they supposed to do?  Take 3 knees and punt?  Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent?  The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule.  I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.

I guess since Miller is no longer in the Heisman running, this is Urban's plan to get his sixth string QB in the mix right up there with Teddy Bridgewater.  So, I agree they should score as many points as they can with their sixth string QB. 

Heisman candidates:
#6 O$U sixth string QB
#5 O$U fifth string QB
# 4 O$U fourth string QB
#3 O$U third string QB
#2 O$U second string QB 
#1 Teddy Bridgewater. 


Bravo

QB #4 has my pick for the hiesman.
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  I don't recall NIU beating anyone by 70 last year.  So to answer your question.  No, I don't think a MAC Team would have to show their superiority over a weak team by scoring 70 just to ensure they don't lose any spots in the rankings.   It worked for O$U.  Did not work for U of L.  I believe the cards lost a spot in the ranking.  


Besides. if what everyone says is true about the Big12, 14, vs MAC then O$U playing FAMU is like us playing Centre College.... 


While it wasn't quite 70, NIU did beat UMass 63-0 last year.

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2012-2013...


Yep, And I did not like that score either.   However, I did notice that after 35-0 it seemed they throttled Lynch down by running the ball up the middle more often than not.  One of the late scores came after taking over on UMASS 15 yard line....

Trust me I dont like it at any level. 

I recall our local high school hanging an 85-0 win on a team.  I was ashamed of my school.   That team that took the 85-0 loss went on to beat us badly over the next few years.    Can't say I blamed them.....
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It always amuses me when somebody wants the superior team to "hold back" and not "run up the score". It's not like a dad playing his three year old in checkers. If you don't want to get beat that bad don't schedule the game. If I were on the team getting whipped it would insult me if my coach agreed to shorten the game. You play the game to see what you're made of. If you get whipped, figure out how to get better and come back next week. After you graduate there is nobody holding back in the business world, so you had better toughen up and get better. If I were a coach I would never tell my team to hold back. Beat them 100 -zip if you can.
 
Again, I'm not saying a player should hold back.  Please read my post.   I'm saying that as the adult the Coach is reponsible for managing the game.  

I do have to ask you a question.  What lesson could FAMU have taken away from that loss that would help them get better.   We are talking apples to oranges.  FAMU is never going to be able to get the calibar of athletes that O$U does.  The only lesson I see is that they should schedule a much smaller team and try to beat them by 70.

I can assure you that as a profession that has spent over 24 years in the business world that  your boss or co-worker would not continue to beat you while you were down.    If they did then I would suggest thats a company that isnt going to be around very long.  
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What are you talking about?? The Browns have been around for like 60 years. Minus the late 90s......
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I would give my life's savings to see tOSU lose 70-0.
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They had their 6th string tailback in the game most of the 2nd half and a QB named Cardale Jones that I have never heard of.  Exactly what more are they supposed to do?  Take 3 knees and punt?  Is that supposed to go over better with the opponent?  The only reason Florida A&M was on their schedule was because Vanderbilt backed out of their scheduled game and they had to scramble to fill the empty slot in the schedule.  I know there's a lot of anti-OSU mentality here, and I understand that, but sometimes you need to do more than just look at a final score and assume there was no sportsmanship involved.
How many passes did they throw after they were up by 35??  I can promise you that they could have controlled the score had they not been worried about losing a spot in the rankings.   

Tried to kid yourself all you want.  Maybe it will make you feel better.   


So let me just get this right: no pass attempts when the game is in hand.  Like when Vick was brought in during the 4th quarter of a game well in hand on Saturday?  Because of course we had to keep Tyler in the game through three quarters even though Austin Peay was out of it.  Yet Vick throws several pass attempts in the 4th quarter of a blowout.  But that's OK. 

"Kid yourself all you want." Wise words.  It's typical from someone who glorifies a Hocking Tech student tackling the OSU mascot, though.
Big difference between 70-0 vs 38-0.    Vick is our Back up and yes, backups need to get a bit of experience.  4th, 5th, 6th striing (as some posters mentioned) do not need the experience.   I don't recall J.D. Sprauges (sp) throwing the ball.  


So you're saying the 4th, 5th, and 6th string guys should not enter the game.  So the 1st and 2nd stringers should stay in, and somehow stop running up the score, because that's the only way to win big with sportsmanship.  Make up your mind man, you can't have it both ways.  And the big difference between 70-0 and 38-0, I'm sorry to say, is the depth of talent beyond the 2nd string in Columbus vs here.  Put a guy in the game who never sees the field and somehow you expect them to not try, to not score when they see the end zone, to take a knee and not run for 20 yards...did you ever play any form of organized athletics? 

They got up big, they subbed heavily, they kept the ball on the ground...what more are they supposed to do?  Get some players to trade jerseys and line up for FAMU in the 2nd half?
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It always amuses me when somebody wants the superior team to "hold back" and not "run up the score". It's not like a dad playing his three year old in checkers. If you don't want to get beat that bad don't schedule the game. If I were on the team getting whipped it would insult me if my coach agreed to shorten the game. You play the game to see what you're made of. If you get whipped, figure out how to get better and come back next week. After you graduate there is nobody holding back in the business world, so you had better toughen up and get better. If I were a coach I would never tell my team to hold back. Beat them 100 -zip if you can.


Evidence to this point (somewhat) from our own game Saturday.  There were moments, especially early in the game, when it appeared that Ohio would completely humiliate the Govs.  Nevertheless, no one on their bench was hanging his head.  The coaches coached the entire game as if it was 0 - 0 and the players kicked their helmets coming off the field after bad plays just as much as the Herd did the week before.  There were also moments of sheer joy when something worked or someone made a great play for them.  In short, they were fully engaged in pursuing a win.

After seeing it up close, I'm certain they would have felt a whole lot worse had our guys started tripping over yard lines and throwing passes into the ground (not that they could afford to as it turned out).
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It always amuses me when somebody wants the superior team to "hold back" and not "run up the score". It's not like a dad playing his three year old in checkers. If you don't want to get beat that bad don't schedule the game. If I were on the team getting whipped it would insult me if my coach agreed to shorten the game. You play the game to see what you're made of. If you get whipped, figure out how to get better and come back next week. After you graduate there is nobody holding back in the business world, so you had better toughen up and get better. If I were a coach I would never tell my team to hold back. Beat them 100 -zip if you can.


Evidence to this point (somewhat) from our own game Saturday.  There were moments, especially early in the game, when it appeared that Ohio would completely humiliate the Govs.  Nevertheless, no one on their bench was hanging his head.  The coaches coached the entire game as if it was 0 - 0 and the players kicked their helmets coming off the field after bad plays just as much as the Herd did the week before.  There were also moments of sheer joy when something worked or someone made a great play for them.  In short, they were fully engaged in pursuing a win.

After seeing it up close, I'm certain they would have felt a whole lot worse had our guys started tripping over yard lines and throwing passes into the ground (not that they could afford to as it turned out).


Exactly.  As a competitor, pity from your opponent is not a positive.
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I would give my life's savings to see tOSU lose 70-0.



I just love the College Football Data Warehouse....now if I just had a time machine I'd make that bet with you!

All but 2 are scores of games played in the 19th Century - although, in 1904, clearly in honor of our 100th year  Michigan beat the Buckeyes 86-0...

Most recent:  In 1994 up in Happy Valley Penn State beat the Buckeyes 63-14

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/ohio_state/most_points_allowed.php



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