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Kevin Finnegan
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Posted: 10/12/2013 5:09 PM
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Up23-19, why go for two? A PAT puts you up five, two puts you up six. Missing it however, leaves you only up four. If CMU goes down and scores a TD, now a FG will only tie the game, not win it. This made no sense.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 5:26 PM
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When Solich is getting outcoached by a message board, it time to hang it up. 
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Posted: 10/12/2013 6:00 PM
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I couldn't figure out the logic of that decision either, maybe Franks math needs some work like the play calling.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 6:04 PM
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It wouldn't have mattered - except that if Ohio converts 2 pts the TD following the muffed punt forces OT - not an immediate loss.s  I support going for 2 - I don;t support the muffed punt, interceptions etc.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 6:12 PM
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K State just did the exact same thing.  It makes no sense.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 6:19 PM
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You see this time and time and time again on every level of football.  When a team scores a TD to go up 4 with less than about 6 minutes left they almost invariably go for 2 to get up 6.  Two FG is three possesions (counting yours in between or requires an onside kick from them).  What usually happens in my experience is the try fails and the opponent, who now has 4 downs each series, scores a TD and the team that tried the 2 finds itself down by 3 instead of 2.

This error is so obvious and so common and almost universally made in every instance.  You'd think that it would start to become part of coaching 101.  As soon as a kid gets into coaching someone should warn him about this situation.  I've seen the same mistake made literally dozens on times.

 
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Posted: 10/12/2013 6:20 PM
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El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
It wouldn't have mattered - except that if Ohio converts 2 pts the TD following the muffed punt forces OT - not an immediate loss.s  I support going for 2 - I don;t support the muffed punt, interceptions etc.



No, they win by 1 instead of 3.  

 
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Posted: 10/12/2013 7:20 PM
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abhhh yes math
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Posted: 10/12/2013 7:35 PM
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The loss of the time out before the 2pt conversion wound up hurting us more than the loss of kicking the extra point. 
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Posted: 10/12/2013 7:38 PM
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When Solich is getting outcoached by a message board, it time to hang it up. 


I think the original posters on the old T-Com message board in the late 90's was one of the greatest coaching staffs in the history of Ohio Football.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 7:52 PM
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It's a tough decision.  I can see why he'd do it, especially with their kicker being so erratic.  Personally I like kicking the extra point in that situation and making the other team go for two if they score.  If they miss, you can win it with a FG; if they make it, you can still tie it with a FG.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 7:54 PM
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The least of our problems.  i assume they have that little card that says you go for 2 with that score.  Agree, not being prepared and taking the time out hurt.  And, why did we even have anybody back to field a punt at that point in the game.  I get the feeling FS and company are getting outcoached in some games which is surprising.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 7:57 PM
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Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
When Solich is getting outcoached by a message board, it time to hang it up. 


I think the original posters on the old T-Com message board in the late 90's was one of the greatest coaching staffs in the history of Ohio Football.


I agree! I was only 14 or so but I really was on top of my game.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:09 PM
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Who cares.  We lost to CMU on homecoming.

We stink.

We're better than 'kron, though.

Maybe.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:09 PM
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
It's a tough decision.  I can see why he'd do it, especially with their kicker being so erratic.  Personally I like kicking the extra point in that situation and making the other team go for two if they score.  If they miss, you can win it with a FG; if they make it, you can still tie it with a FG.

It was late enough in the game that there probably wasn't going to be a bunch of scoring back and forth, so it made sense, especially as Pataskala said, with their kicking game being so bad that it was far from a given that they'd make the extra point.

 
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:13 PM
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Really.  With any kind of decent kicker, CMU makes those two field goals that they missed and the whole thing doesn't matter.  Doesn't matter.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:15 PM
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Yes, I can see doing it with one minute left because the odds of them missing an extra point are better than you getting a chance at another FG.  But I have seen teams go for 2 to get up six with 4-6 minutes, fail, give up a TD, and get into FG range or very close to it in the NFL, college, and high school combined more times than I can count.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:37 PM
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Penn State just got the ball with :50 left and scored a tying TD and Michigan got off a 52 yard FG but missed.  5 minutes is enough time to expect a good possibility of another chance.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 8:47 PM
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The least of our problems.  i assume they have that little card that says you go for 2 with that score.  Agree, not being prepared and taking the time out hurt.  And, why did we even have anybody back to field a punt at that point in the game.  I get the feeling FS and company are getting outcoached in some games which is surprising.


Going for 2 didn't bother me. The biggest mistake was having a returner back on a punt. And that's not second-guessing -- I said that before the play.

Why don't they listen to me?
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Posted: 10/12/2013 9:03 PM
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The least of our problems.  i assume they have that little card that says you go for 2 with that score.  Agree, not being prepared and taking the time out hurt.  And, why did we even have anybody back to field a punt at that point in the game.  I get the feeling FS and company are getting outcoached in some games which is surprising.


Going for 2 didn't bother me. The biggest mistake was having a returner back on a punt. And that's not second-guessing -- I said that before the play.

Why don't they listen to me?


You just have shout louder.  Even though he's one of the best punt returners in 1A, fielding returns has been an adventure for Travis at times.  He fumbled at least one at L'ville and seemed shaky against both NT & Terd. 
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Posted: 10/12/2013 10:13 PM
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It's not #18s fault...didn't the coaching staff know the time and score.  Nobody should have been back there given that situation and I too was screaming that at the TV before the punt..  CMU only had one TO left so it was game over at that time who cares where we get the ball.  Even the announcers were left searching for words...that play is on the staff!
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Posted: 10/12/2013 10:13 PM
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Up23-19, why go for two? A PAT puts you up five, two puts you up six. Missing it however, leaves you only up four. If CMU goes down and scores a TD, now a FG will only tie the game, not win it. This made no sense.


4 or 5 means a TD beats you, same with two FG's. Two point conversion means a TD and XP has to beat you. CMU missed two FG's and an extra point. Look it up that was the statistical play.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 10:16 PM
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K State just did the exact same thing. It makes no sense.
It's simple math and football 101. Google 2pt conversion chart. Info is solid and the statistical odds, developed by same people who convince you to play black jack. Statistical odds.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 10:20 PM
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Thank you billy, I guess we have the same play card!  That was one the staff got right but the team was not prepared to run it.  Thus wasted time out.  Again, that is on the staff or whoever handles the special team for XPs.
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It's called football for dummies and written and followed since before many of you were born! If you are ahead by 1, 4, 5, 12, 15, 19 you go for two.
Are behind 2, 5, 9, 12, 16 you go for two.
Are behind by 1, 4, 11 it's judgement.
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