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Posted: 11/2/2013 7:49 PM
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2012 they take NIU to double overtime at the MACC and today they lose to Akron.   What are the excuses for this?  Can someone explain this?
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Posted: 11/2/2013 8:16 PM
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I know they didn't win the MACC, but this reminds me of a question my friends and I used to debate. Would you take one season of great things if it meant you would fall back into oblivion for a while after (Miami's MACC a couple of years ago, Buffalo's win as well) or would you prefer a number of very good to nearly great seasons in a row like OHIO has given us? Personally, I'd take what we've had over the alternative.
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Posted: 11/2/2013 8:40 PM
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I know they didn't win the MACC, but this reminds me of a question my friends and I used to debate. Would you take one season of great things if it meant you would fall back into oblivion for a while after (Miami's MACC a couple of years ago, Buffalo's win as well) or would you prefer a number of very good to nearly great seasons in a row like OHIO has given us? Personally, I'd take what we've had over the alternative.


I'll take a championship season every day of the week!  It's the team's goal every season.  What do we always read on this messageboard?  We always read that Ohio hasn't won a MAC season since 1968.  It's why the team entered this year with the phrase "Finish, No Regrets" as it's motto.
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Posted: 11/2/2013 9:17 PM
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I enjoy Ohio being a winning team year after year and look forward to the bowl games.
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Posted: 11/2/2013 9:34 PM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=finnOhio]I I'll take a championship season every day of the week!  It's the team's goal every season.  What do we always read on this messageboard?  We always read that Ohio hasn't won a MAC season since 1968.  It's why the team entered this year with the phrase "Finish, No Regrets" as it's motto.

Yes, there are plenty of posts mentioning 1968, but there are also plenty mentioning the years between then and now as well, and plenty that mention the good, but non-Championship Grobe and Solich years, too.

I really don't think anyone wants either extreme. If the choice was a great year, followed by by period between Burke and Grobe, I think few would take it. What I think they want is lots of good years in a row, with each one having the hope of a Championship, and an actual Championship mixed in now and then. There is just one piece missing....Time to get it.
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Posted: 11/2/2013 9:53 PM
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[QUOTE=finnOhio]I I'll take a championship season every day of the week!  It's the team's goal every season.  What do we always read on this messageboard?  We always read that Ohio hasn't won a MAC season since 1968.  It's why the team entered this year with the phrase "Finish, No Regrets" as it's motto.

Yes, there are plenty of posts mentioning 1968, but there are also plenty mentioning the years between then and now as well, and plenty that mention the good, but non-Championship Grobe and Solich years, too.

I really don't think anyone wants either extreme. If the choice was a great year, followed by by period between Burke and Grobe, I think few would take it. What I think they want is lots of good years in a row, with each one having the hope of a Championship, and an actual Championship mixed in now and then. There is just one piece missing....Time to get it.


You're right, L. C.  The exception to what you're saying might be us Cleveland sports fans; we just want  a championship in something someday!  
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Posted: 11/2/2013 10:07 PM
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Can someone tell me what is up with them taking the Old Chargers helmets?
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Posted: 11/3/2013 12:33 AM
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Ohio certainly has been the most consistent among East division champs over the last few years.  Since 2005, here's how the East division champs have done the year after they finished first in the East (there was a three-way tie in '05; in '07 not everyone played 8 MAC games and Fiami was named the winner because they & BG each had two losses and Fiami had beaten BG during the season):

Akron: 2005 – 5-3, 7-6; 2006 – 3-5, 5-7
Fiami: 2005 – 5-3, 7-4; 2006 – 2-6, 2-10
BG: 2005 – 5-3, 6-5; 2006 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2006 – 7-1, 9-5; 2007 – 4-4, 6-6
Fiami: 2007 – 5-2, 6-7; 2008 – 1-7, 2-10
BG: 2007 – 6-2, 8-5; 2008 – 4-4, 6-6
Buffalo: 2008 – 5-3, 8-6; 2009 – 3-5, 5-7
Ohio: 2009 – 7-1, 9-5; 2010 – 6-2, 8-5
Fiami: 2010 – 7-1, 10-4; 2011 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2011 – 6-2, 10-4; 2012 – 4-4, 9-4
Kent: 2012 – 8-0, 11-3; 2013 – 1-5, 2-8

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of the 110 FBS teams that have played a minimum of 300 games in their history, Kent State ranks #109 in winning % at 0.395. I don't think a single conference championship could wash away all of that pain and misery.

Sadly it looks as if last year was just an exception the the rule.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:04 AM
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Why do you think their coach caught the 1st good offer out of town last season.





GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:28 AM
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71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
Why do you think their coach caught the 1st good offer out of town last season.





GO BOBCATS


Do you mean the first "BIG" money offer? I'd argue that the coach jumped into a pot of boiling water. 
He'd have been better off waiting for a plumb job and not the Purdue spot.  His team this year would lose by 40 to his team last season.  MONEY, I guess that's what its all about.

Where is the thread:  is it better to be a head coach at a perennial conference contender and have superior job security or is it better to be a conference dreg until you get canned? 

Of course Kent is a perennial loser, however, I'd imagine the former coach staying could have made winning ala Solich, more permanent.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:57 AM
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... Since 2005, here's how the East division champs have done the year after they finished first in the East...
Akron: 2005 – 5-3, 7-6; 2006 – 3-5, 5-7
Fiami: 2005 – 5-3, 7-4; 2006 – 2-6, 2-10
BG: 2005 – 5-3, 6-5; 2006 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2006 – 7-1, 9-5; 2007 – 4-4, 6-6
Fiami: 2007 – 5-2, 6-7; 2008 – 1-7, 2-10
BG: 2007 – 6-2, 8-5; 2008 – 4-4, 6-6
Buffalo: 2008 – 5-3, 8-6; 2009 – 3-5, 5-7
Ohio: 2009 – 7-1, 9-5; 2010 – 6-2, 8-5
Fiami: 2010 – 7-1, 10-4; 2011 – 3-5, 4-8
Ohio: 2011 – 6-2, 10-4; 2012 – 4-4, 9-4
Kent: 2012 – 8-0, 11-3; 2013 – 1-5, 2-8
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Wow. Only one MAC team had a winning MAC record the season after winning the East. Only 2 teams had an overall winning record the following year. Only 4 teams managed .500 or better the following year, and three of those were Ohio.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:41 AM
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Can someone tell me what is up with them taking the Old Chargers helmets?


In response to MAC Championship History discussion and Helmets, Helmet Hut has finally added Ohio University.

http://www.helmethut.com/College/Ohio%20University/1968.html

http://www.helmethut.com/

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Posted: 11/3/2013 12:24 PM
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Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
Can someone tell me what is up with them taking the Old Chargers helmets?


In response to MAC Championship History discussion and Helmets, Helmet Hut has finally added Ohio University.

http://www.helmethut.com/College/Ohio%20University/1968.html

http://www.helmethut.com/



I really like these old Alden-Era helmets.  I'd like to see a throw back uniform with them, at the very least.  

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Posted: 11/3/2013 2:00 PM
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MONEY, I guess that's what its all about.


Yes, people's jobs are often about money. Why wouldn't it be? He got paid for leaving freaking Kent.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 2:18 PM
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MONEY, I guess that's what its all about.


Yes, people's jobs are often about money. Why wouldn't it be? He got paid for leaving freaking Kent.


He should've been paid more for GOING there than for leaving.
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As I recall, unlike most of these guys, he stayed at KSU through their bowl game.  I thought that the honorable thing.  I wonder how long he'll have at Purdue.  He's not off to a real good start.  I sort of wonder if he might end up like Stan Parish who took Marshall to its first-post crash winning season and a 7-3-1 record in his last season before going to Kansas State, where he was unable to revive the moribund program, then one of the two worst in D-1A.  The second worst, arguably, was also in the same state in Lawrence.   
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:47 PM
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As I recall, unlike most of these guys, he stayed at KSU through their bowl game.  I thought that the honorable thing.  I wonder how long he'll have at Purdue.  He's not off to a real good start.  I sort of wonder if he might end up like Stan Parish who took Marshall to its first-post crash winning season and a 7-3-1 record in his last season before going to Kansas State, where he was unable to revive the moribund program, then one of the two worst in D-1A.  The second worst, arguably, was also in the same state in Lawrence.   


You mention Lawrence--how's that money doing for Gill?

IMO The MAC coaches choosing to move up should show some patience and look for a stepping stone to a cream job if you keep excelling.  Best to go the route of Urban or Hayward and go to a program in a conference not necessarily known for football where you could make a sudden impact.  Going to Illinois or Purdue and you have a staight uphill battle with real short odds of success.  Look for jobs at Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt, Cuse and several out west. 
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You mention Lawrence--how's that money doing for Gill?

IMO The MAC coaches choosing to move up should show some patience and look for a stepping stone to a cream job if you keep excelling.  Best to go the route of Urban or Hayward and go to a program in a conference not necessarily known for football where you could make a sudden impact.  Going to Illinois or Purdue and you have a staight uphill battle with real short odds of success.  Look for jobs at Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt, Cuse and several out west. 

Here's a list of best to worst in all time winning percentages. With Kent at 108 out of 109, pretty much anywhere has to be up. Purdue has a long term percentage of 53.3%, in 58th place, so it's actually pretty good, historically. Kansas is worse, at 49.8%, in 80th place.

The worst AQ teams to move "up" to would be Wake Forest, Indiana, Northwestern, Kansas State, and Iowa State. Coaches that do survive at those schools will sometimes get an opportunity to move up to a better place. At Northwestern, for example, some prior coaches are Lou Saban, Ara Parseghian, Dennis Green, and Gary Barnett so schools with historically bad records are not always dead ends.
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L.C., mentioning Gary Barnett reminded me of this anomaly that occurred in 1995.  Note that Northwestern only lost one regular season game that year enroute to their Big Ten championship. Then note who that one was loss was against.  Then contemplate how the Big Ten champs only loss could have been to the school that defines the word "suck" when used in its colloquial meaning.  Have we entered the Twilight Zone?
Date Time Opponent# Rank# Site TV Result Attendance
September 2 1:30 PM at #9 Notre Dame*   Notre Dame Stadium • Notre Dame, IN NBC W 17–15   59,075
September 16 11:00 AM Miami (OH)* #25 Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL ESPN2 L 28–30   26,352
September 23 11:30 AM Air Force*   Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL ESPN W 30–6   26,037
September 30 1:00 PM Indiana   Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL   W 31–7   29,223
October 7 11:30 AM at #7 Michigan #25 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI ESPN W 19–13   104,642
October 14 1:00 PM at Minnesota #14 Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome •Minneapolis, MN   W 27–17   50,504
October 21 11:30 AM #24 Wisconsindagger #11 Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL ESPN2 W 35–0   49,256
October 28 11:00 AM at Illinois #8 Memorial Stadium • Champaign, IL SCC W 17–14   65,425
November 4 2:30 PM #12 Penn State #6 Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL ABC W 21–10   49,256
November 11 11:00 AM Iowa #5 Dyche Stadium • Evanston, IL ESPN+ W 31–20   49,256
November 18 2:30 PM at Purdue #5 Ross–Ade Stadium • West Lafayette, IN ABC W 23–8   47,172
January 1 3:30 PM vs. #17 USC* #3 Rose Bowl • Pasadena, CA (Rose Bowl) ABC L 32–41   100,102
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Posted: 11/4/2013 7:01 AM
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And Fiami didn't even win the MAC that year.  They were 6-1-1 and I think they finished second.  Could be NU had a big letdown after knocking off ND the previous week, but a win is still a win.  Fiami's coach was Randy Walker who succeeded Barnett at NU four years later.
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If you define "great season" as simply winning a conference championship, then I'd rather take consistently good years like we are seeing now.  Change that definition to winning a national championship, then I'd have a different take.  I was there from 90-95.  We celebrated a win over Kent by tearing down the goal posts.   The highlight of that football era for me was the alumni band fight vs. Miami.  Compared to now...Dion's INT return, beating Penn State, etc., etc. 

Now if the Browns won a Super Bowl, I'd be so happy they could go 0-16 for a decade and I wouldn't care. 
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Hey, didn't those 1968 throwback helmets have an asterik or something in the logo where Athens is located?

As for who I want to be like: not Kent St!  Who wants one good year in 50 (oh, that was us pre FS+Co).

I would much rather be NIU...they are in the midst of a real good run under MULTIPLE coaches.  Obviously, they are doing something right.  So are we other than winning a MACC game.

As for amazing...other than the new addition (UMASS) you don't have to go back too far to have had EVERY team in the East win one divisional championship with, I think, no repaters. 

I also wonder how many of those teams lost a coach after winning the division.  Probably most (other than us:)!
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Posted: 11/4/2013 2:37 PM
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As I recall, unlike most of these guys, he stayed at KSU through their bowl game. I thought that the honorable thing. I wonder how long he'll have at Purdue. He's not off to a real good start. I sort of wonder if he might end up like Stan Parish who took Marshall to its first-post crash winning season and a 7-3-1 record in his last season before going to Kansas State, where he was unable to revive the moribund program, then one of the two worst in D-1A. The second worst, arguably, was also in the same state in Lawrence.


You mention Lawrence--how's that money doing for Gill?

IMO The MAC coaches choosing to move up should show some patience and look for a stepping stone to a cream job if you keep excelling. Best to go the route of Urban or Hayward and go to a program in a conference not necessarily known for football where you could make a sudden impact. Going to Illinois or Purdue and you have a staight uphill battle with real short odds of success. Look for jobs at Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt, Cuse and several out west.
hey, Gill got $6,000,000 for being fired at Kansas. $6,000,000! He's currently coaching at Liberty where I'm guessing that he's making $200,000-$300,000. I don't think you can question that he came out ahead of staying at Buffalo.
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I never did get the Hazel hype. I think the dude used the recruits of his predecessor (Doug Martin?) and cashed in on the talent. I guess time will tell at Purdue. 
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