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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:12 PM
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Didn't realize a safety can occur on the 4 yard line, even on an intentional grounding call, when the QB IS IN FRONT OF THE REF THROWING THE FLAG, WHO ALSO IS NOT STANDING IN THE END ZONE.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:14 PM
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Yeah that seemed like a terrible call to me too.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:18 PM
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If all scoring plays can be reviewed, why can't that?

You can't come together as an officiating crew and decide you missed that call?

That was egregious.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:20 PM
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I think I am going to be sick and to make matters worse Prilosec keeps playing that darn commercial with Larry the Cable Guy.  

Considering I have an upset stomach from watching the officiating this has been a great marketing call by Prilosec.  
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:24 PM
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The ESPN broadcasters said the calls were undeniably wrong and quoted the rulebook showing that the play was reviewable. As Chuck Landon would say (although appropriate in this context), UNACCEPTABLE!!!
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:44 PM
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If all scoring plays can be reviewed, why can't that?

You can't come together as an officiating crew and decide you missed that call?

That was egregious.
Scoring plays are reviewable however penalties are not. That was a scoring play, as a result of a penalty, and you cannot review a penalty. Even a targeting call, the ejection is reviewable, but the penalty is not reversible.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:47 PM
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I nominate that call for "C'mon Man."
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:49 PM
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If all scoring plays can be reviewed, why can't that?

You can't come together as an officiating crew and decide you missed that call?

That was egregious.


Scoring plays are reviewable however penalties are not. That was a scoring play, as a result of a penalty, and you cannot review a penalty. Even a targeting call, the ejection is reviewable, but the penalty is not reversible.


I can't tell if you're agreeing or not.  Whether or not it was a safety should be reviewable, even though the penalty (which should spot the ball at the 4) is not.

They tell us the whole point of replay is to get the call right.  When it puts on the scoreboard, they should try to get it right.
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Urban Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I think I am going to be sick and to make matters worse Prilosec keeps playing that darn commercial with Larry the Cable Guy.  

Considering I have an upset stomach from watching the officiating this has been a great marketing call by Prilosec.  


Funniest thing I've read all night!  Awesome stuff, Urban Bobcat!
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:52 PM
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If all scoring plays can be reviewed, why can't that?

You can't come together as an officiating crew and decide you missed that call?

That was egregious.


Scoring plays are reviewable however penalties are not. That was a scoring play, as a result of a penalty, and you cannot review a penalty. Even a targeting call, the ejection is reviewable, but the penalty is not reversible.


I can't tell if you're agreeing or not. Whether or not it was a safety should be reviewable, even though the penalty (which should spot the ball at the 4) is not.

They tell us the whole point of replay is to get the call right. When it puts on the scoreboard, they should try to get it right.
I agree poor call, however because the score was the result of the penalty, you cannot review the penalty.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:57 PM
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The Referee was right there next to the QB. How could he not see that he was not in the end zone. Don't start quoting the rule book when alls it takes is one ref to say he wasn't in the end zone.
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That Ref was backpedaling to get out of the way, he was in poor position, he made a very bad call. But the rule on the review is just that. And in that situation, only 1 ref has the goaline, no one else.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:01 PM
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The Referee was right there next to the QB. How could he not see that he was not in the end zone. Don't start quoting the rule book when alls it takes is one ref to say he wasn't in the end zone.


Bingo. It doesn't take a video review. All it takes is for the ref to say, "Oh, my bad, he was on the 4, so it isn't a safety. I know this because I was on the 1, and he was 3 yards in front of me. 1 + 3 = 4. 4th down, Ohio."
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:04 PM
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There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around. 
Last Edited: 11/5/2013 11:05:32 PM by GoCats105
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:09 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.
Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:11 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.


Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


This isn't the rule Im referring to. I understand penalties can't be reviewed. Its a different section of the rulebook. Feel free to look up Rule 12, Article 6. Although even that rule contradicts itself. 
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:12 PM
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I'm sorry but after further review (DVR), that ref was looking directly at Tettleton as they both moved towards the end zone. I am only a casual Ohio fan, but I felt I had to say something because that was an absolute horrible call. That ref has no business being on the field!
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:14 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.


Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


This isn't the rule Im referring to. I understand penalties can't be reviewed. Its a different section of the rulebook.
I'm open to you finding the rule for me. The NCAA Case book is linked for you to browse through.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:15 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.


Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


This isn't the rule Im referring to. I understand penalties can't be reviewed. Its a different section of the rulebook.


I'm open to you finding the rule for me. The NCAA Case book is linked for you to browse through.


From the other thread:

"ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a)."

(emphasis added). Here, you're not reviewing the egregious error on the "foul." You're reviewing the egregious error on the spot of the foul. That should be reviewable, especially since the whole point of instant replay is to get the right call.

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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:17 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.


Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


This isn't the rule Im referring to. I understand penalties can't be reviewed. Its a different section of the rulebook.


I'm open to you finding the rule for me. The NCAA Case book is linked for you to browse through.


I posted in the edit above. Its a very strange rule that is a tough read. It can be interpreted in two ways I think. I'm on a phone so explaining it isn't as good as just reading it. 

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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:18 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.


Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


This isn't the rule Im referring to. I understand penalties can't be reviewed. Its a different section of the rulebook. Feel free to look up Rule 12, Article 6. Although even that rule contradicts itself.


Here is your exception, and note: "this excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable".

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a).
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:20 PM
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There is a rule that states the replay official can overturn calls on the field by an official, regardless if they are reviewable plays or not. Its basically a failsafe for egregious calls such as this. It was mishandled all around.


Straight from NCAA rule and case book.


http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


This isn't the rule Im referring to. I understand penalties can't be reviewed. Its a different section of the rulebook.


I'm open to you finding the rule for me. The NCAA Case book is linked for you to browse through.


From the other thread:

"ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a)."

(emphasis added). Here, you're not reviewing the egregious error on the "foul." You're reviewing the egregious error on the spot of the foul. That should be reviewable, especially since the whole point of instant replay is to get the right call.



But on the other hand, penalties aren't reviewable but spot of the ball is. And this penalty is a ball spot penalty. Its a weird interpretation from the replay officials perspective. 
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Horrible call. Yes we couldn't stop the run - we probably would have lost anyway, but how disheartening that you are down 16 - 0 because of poor officiating. How do you come back from that. Remember in the first quarter 0 the defense looked dominant. These officials were horrible!


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Horrible call. Yes we couldn't stop the run - we probably would have lost anyway, but how disheartening that you are down 16 - 0 because of poor officiating. How do you come back from that. Remember in the first quarter 0 the defense looked dominant. These officials were horrible!
Actually we were down 16-3
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Here is your exception, and note: "this excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable".

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a).


You aren't reviewing the foul. No one disputes the foul (intentional grounding). The dispute is whether the foul results in a score. That isn't excluded and should be reviewable, because it is part of the play (not the foul), and is an egregious error.
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