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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:13 PM
That was the worst example of officiating I have ever seen in my life, in any sport, from little league all the way through professional leagues
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:14 PM
Worse than the NFL replacement refs
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:15 PM
cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
That was the worst example of officiating I have ever seen in my life, in any sport, from little league all the way through professional leagues



your are going to have to chill, you sound like a Marshall fan
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:16 PM
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:18 PM
Did you not see it? Because on ESPN even Buffalo fans seem to agree, the commentator on ESPN2 seemed to be angry that it was called that way. You know a call is bad when the guys working the broadcast are angered by it
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:28 PM
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:28 PM
JerseyArnie wrote:expand_more
That was the worst example of officiating I have ever seen in my life, in any sport, from little league all the way through professional leagues



your are going to have to chill, you sound like a Marshall fan

Relax, Buffalo can still turn the ball over 4 times.  The game is in the bag.

 
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:32 PM
This game is in the bag for the Bulls.  
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:35 PM
JerseyArnie wrote:expand_more
That was the worst example of officiating I have ever seen in my life, in any sport, from little league all the way through professional leagues



your are going to have to chill, you sound like a Marshall fan
What the hell are you talking about?
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:36 PM
Nice mouth

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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:43 PM
I'd be arrested at work if I stole something like that.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:44 PM
If ever an officiating crews needs to be suspended or at least have their pay docked, this is the one.  Couldn't see Waters' knee down on the "fumble" -- which should've been blown dead on forward progress; then the phantom safety.  True, they can't review the spot of the foul, but it was a S-C-O-R-I-N-G P-L-A-Y, which is reviewable. Dumbasses.   I tried using the link posted above to register a complaint, but it just cycles back to his bio, so apparently they knew what was coming. 
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:46 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
If ever an officiating crews needs to be suspended or at least have their pay docked, this is the one. Couldn't see Waters' knee down on the "fumble" -- which should've been blown dead on forward progress; then the phantom safety. True, they can't review the spot of the foul, but it was a S-C-O-R-I-N-G P-L-A-Y, which is reviewable. Dumbasses. I tried using the link posted above to register a complaint, but it just cycles back to his bio, so apparently they knew what was coming.
Scoring based on a penalty, you answered your own comment, penalties are not reviewable.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 10:59 PM
According to the rule book and ESPN, any call that is egregious is reviewable, and according to the guy on the broadcast, he has never seen a more egregious call in his life
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:06 PM
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According to the rule book and ESPN, any call that is egregious is reviewable, and according to the guy on the broadcast, he has never seen a more egregious call in his life

Page 5 NCAA RULE BOOK

http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:13 PM
Embarrassing call. Obviously very unacceptable. 

Why is Tyler sprinting 15 yards backwards, though? Buffalo's defense is much faster than he anticipated. 
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:13 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
According to the rule book and ESPN, any call that is egregious is reviewable, and according to the guy on the broadcast, he has never seen a more egregious call in his life



Page 5 NCAA RULE BOOK

http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


The issue is Article 6:

"ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a)."

(emphasis added). Here, you're not reviewing the egregious error on the "foul." You're reviewing the egregious error on the spot of the foul. That should be reviewable, especially since the whole point of instant replay is to get the right call.

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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:26 PM
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According to the rule book and ESPN, any call that is egregious is reviewable, and according to the guy on the broadcast, he has never seen a more egregious call in his life



Page 5 NCAA RULE BOOK

http://tbfoc.org/2013_14_InstantReplay_Case_Book.pdf



SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
a. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
b. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.


The issue is Article 6:

"ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (Reviewable fouls: Rules 12-3-2-c and d, 12-3-4-b and 12-3-5-a)."

(emphasis added). Here, you're not reviewing the egregious error on the "foul." You're reviewing the egregious error on the spot of the foul. That should be reviewable, especially since the whole point of instant replay is to get the right call.



The rule defeats the purpose of replay, i.e., to get the damn call right.  Although they might have been right in not reviewing it, it's still such a stinking call and the ref was either out of position to make the call -- which means he should've asked for help -- or he ignored where Tyler was on the field -- which means he should be suspended.  To have an obviously blown call go uncorrected on national TV is a huge embarrassment for the MAC.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:34 PM
It was an impressively bad call.  I mean to be right there with an unobstructed view and to miss it by four yards...that is not easy.  It must take effort.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:38 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
The rule defeats the purpose of replay, i.e., to get the damn call right.  Although they might have been right in not reviewing it, it's still such a stinking call and the ref was either out of position to make the call -- which means he should've asked for help -- or he ignored where Tyler was on the field -- which means he should be suspended.  To have an obviously blown call go uncorrected on national TV is a huge embarrassment for the MAC.


It doesn't in this case. The ref & replay booth just screwed it up. Article 1.a says, "Review the score, unless the score is the result of a penalty." Article 6 says, "Even though Article 1.a says you can't review the score since it was the result of a penalty, you can review the score if it's the result of an egregious error. You just can't review whether there actually was a penalty."

The correct result, which replay should have confirmed, was, "Intentional Grounding, Number 4, offense, Spot Foul, Loss of Down. 4th down, Ohio." Instead, Captain Derp and the Derp-a-rinos decided, "Hey, let's get this game over with so we can make it to the casino before midnight, cash out our bets on Buffalo -4, and then it's craps til the sun comes up! Wooooooo, Buffalo! I love this town!"

Screw this ref crew.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:39 PM
I don't understand why you can review illegal pass/line of scrimmage but not intentional grounding. It's the same thing. I think the rules makers were concerned there would be concern about "the pocket" part of the penalty without thinking about the "spot" part of the penalty. The spot should always be reviewable. Period.

Either way, the WUSS FACTOR makes this the worse call I have seen in a long time at any level. (And I complain a lot about bad calls). Basically, the ref was such a WUSS about getting hit he made no effort to even look at the play as it happened. Then, after the line judge said the pass didn't cross the line, he threw the flag that landed three yards inside the end zone. I mean, people review spots all the time. This spot was SEVEN OR EIGHT FREAKING YARDS!!!! off the correct spot but was not corrected. If that isn't egregious I do not know what is.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:40 PM
I've watched the replay a dozen times. The Ref was looking right at Tettleton. How could he blow it that bad. We aren't talking about the one foot or one yard line. He threw the ball at the 3 or 4 yard line. Wow!
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:42 PM
I've considered it and -- aside from Colorado's 5th Down -- It truly is the worst call I've ever seen.
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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:45 PM
 



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Posted: 11/5/2013 11:49 PM
Guys, I hated the call and the 9 points it gave Buffs.  But, they beat the shit out of us.  We completely lost focus after that.  Needed to come out the second half and score immediately.  that sure didnt' happen.  End of story.

 
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