I agree. If Ohio pulled that stunt, I can't imagine why anyone would ever schedule a game with them, and I doubt Cromer would survive the day as AD.

I think getting home games with P5s is too good of an financial and exposure opportunity to pass up and we need the one payout game a year. It worked out to do that we ended up three P5s on the schedule. We have only had one losing season since 2008. With all the players we had transfer up this offseason and then the 2025 schedule I'll be pretty impressed with Albin if he can just avoid a second one.

You just said it best. "We need the one payout game game a year." Bingo! Not play three power four schools in the same season in consecutive weeks. Once again, I ask, is Boals doing this in basketball? We all know the answer to that question?

Your embarrassment tolerance must be extraordinary high.

Group of 5 is at 9% of the CFP Payout (as a GROUP)....and dwindling even further as realignment continues.

Either the people that work FOR US do their jobs, or we continue to get taken behind the woodshed.

Maybe I just speak for myself, but I would hold Cromer as a hero for actually using the stick instead of the carrot (vasoline) with Ohio State for once.....

Sometimes you are allowed to leave the pack. But when the 9% becomes ZERO, don't say I didn't warn you.

Funny that nobody is chastising Florida State and Clemson for breaking their ACC G of R contract....so it's good enough for the big guys (Where Cromer and her ilk want to work) but not good enough for Ohio?

You understand that basically everybody here recognizes the inevitable conclusion that the P5 and G5 break apart from each other, right? It's happening right in front of our eyes, the writing's on the wall for a complete and fundamental shift to the structure of NCAA football. Not only is nobody going to say you didn't warn then, but literally everybody beat you to the conclusion. You're the last one there, man. Read this board on the topic over the last 6 months.

But yeah, being a leader here is about begging the P5 for more money and not, say, trying to develop a business model that works without P5 welfare checks.

What's the case that the G5 adds more than 9% of the value to the CFP?

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You have a study that shows this number? Willing to bet not much. But unless you got data and a study, I’ll go with 9% value.

Since a small % of you are critical thinkers, I will try and make this as simple as possible for the larger group who have had lobotomies. Do me a favor and open your pea-sized minds for 10 seconds and try and follow along with these basic concepts.

**We will use Ohio State as our example, but fill in any other P5 at your discretion.**

Every year, Ohio State wants 7 home games MINIMUM. They would prefer 8. If 9 of their 12 games are against Big 10 Teams (4 to 5 on the road depending on the year), they certainly do NOT want a schedule where 2 of their 3 Non Big 10 games are:

1. On the Road - for a variety of reasons, many are financial for the University, the City of Columbus, Texas De Brazil in the Arena District who is apparently going to sue Ohio if they pull out of the game.

2. Potential Losses affecting their CFP chances

If you take the P5 schools out of the equation, you have now created an entire new universe of "have nots" amongst the current P5 schools. Think Ohio State wants to be forced into a home and home with Kansas State because there is no Bowling Green available to schedule? Think they want to do a home and home with Colorado? Syracuse? SMU? With no Group of 5 (or other bootlickers) to schedule -> Ohio State gives up a home game and is now forced into a non conferece game that is not as easily winnable - in advance of their gauntlet of a Big 10 schedule.

On the flip side, do you think Kansas State is going to be happy when Ohio State calls and demands a non-returnable, buy game with them because Ohio State has no Ohio/BG/Miami/UMASS to fill the schedule? Think Colorado is going to like being the new Toledo/Akron/Buffalo? I guarantee a system where only Alabama and Ohio State play each other 12 times per year isn't going to last long.

I believe any Group of 5 school has leverage to change (and better) the system, either alone or together. Obviously the preference is banding together and telling the Power 5 assholes to shit in their hat - but the people that WORK FOR US refuse to do that. The people that supposedly WORK FOR US are beholden to their next jobs at Power 5 schools, and thus we deal with a constant conflict of interest. Look at all our Athletic Department alums (Virginia, Kansas, Maryland, Texas Tech....every Carpetbagger uses and abuses you people - and you love it and revel in getting cuckolded)

If you don't think those 2 non conference games against the Power 5 schools are worth the weight of the entire system crashing down on 80% of the Power 5 - then you need to re-think how you view the system. $1.9 Million? Ohio State would be smart to cut us a check for $5 Million minimum - and thus quiet the smartest guy in the room down.

I just can't even imagine what's going on here?

You have those thoughts... still wrote them out... presumably read it... and it still made sense to you?

I wish I was as strong as you. I just can't not take the bait. LOL. No matter how little it makes sense. I have to keep digging.

The whole argument that Ohio State NEEDS to play OU - bc they're scared to play the worst team in the Pac 12 - and thus NEEDS to pay us $5M just to show up is absolutely tremendous.

I don't know how he got there, but that level of detachment is unattainable for most.

The thing about this discussion is that no one here disagrees that OSU could pay more, nor that they benefit from these games. Similarly, no one here disagrees that Ohio has a contract with OSU, and that, if they choose to not honor it, they will have to pay the liquidated damages specified in the contract. Some think that OSU would back down if threatened. I don't, so I don't see any benefit to Ohio from threatening OSU. On the other hand, I do see a benefit from trying to get additional future games with a higher payout.

I don't see Ohio "breaking the cycle" on it's own. Perhaps they can lobby all the G5 schools to work together for some common goal. In the meantime, Ohio will need to play a money game every year, and sometimes more. A measure of performance of an AD is to compare what kind of deals they are able to get, compared to other G5 schools.

Over the last 20 years, Ohio has prioritized getting competitive games against weaker P5 schools, rather than prioritizing higher paydays. Ohio has also tried to prioritize occasionally getting home-home series with P5 schools. As a result, Ohio has played schools like Kansas on the road (where Ohio won), rather than playing at schools like Penn State (oh, wait, Ohio won there, too), and Ohio had the home and home with Iowa State (where Ohio went 1-1). Meanwhile, Kent State has played a lot of big payday games at football powers, and while I don't recall them winning any, they certainly got a lot of big checks.

What is the priority? Is it a priority to get some home and home deals? Is it a priority to play weaker P5 schools, where Ohio might win? Or, is the priority to get the biggest possible paycheck? Regardless of which is the priority, Ohio should still try to get the largest check possible within that context. If they are going to play at Ohio State, they should get as much as everyone else who plays at Ohio State. If they are going to agree to play at Kansas, they should get as much as everyone else who plays at Kansas. Even though the payday at Kansas will be a much smaller number, it does come with a significantly better chance of an Ohio win.

I'm not trying to either attack or defend any particular Ohio AD. I'm also not trying to attack or defend any particular set of priorities. If Ohio's payday at Ohio State is too small, my questions are who made that deal, and what can be done about it within the context of the already existing legal obligations?

Interesting timing. Dave Clawson just took a dump on all the cuckolds on this thread.....he thanks you for your service.

Keep it up. Sad to say I share a degree with most of you idiots.....