The Situation has turned this thread into a laughable meditation on whether or not Frank has Free Will, or is some kind of deterministic being governed only by physical law.

...People are going to think that you are less lucid than I am.

Worry.

Dude Situation--you are getting into whatishetalkingabout territory.

People are going to think that you are less lucid than I am.

Worry.

Monroe, I just set out to prove or disprove the "claims" made by Billy the Cat about how things were soooo much harder in the "good old days" under Grobe. He was trying to make the case that Grobe>>Solich even though his winning record was lower, because Grobe played a harder schedule. A little research showed that his "facts" were wrong. The MAC of the late 90s was not that different from the MAC of today, though the MAC was indeed harder during the Knorr years.

When you look at it, on it's face, Solich's record and Grobe's are quite similar if you adjust for the difficulty of the schedule:

Solich Grobe
MAC games 43-31 58.1% 27-20-1 57.3%
BCS teams 3-12 20.0% 2- 9 18.1%
Other I-A teams 11- 6 64.7% 1- 3 25.0%
I-AA teams 8- 0 100.0% 3- 1 75.0%
Total 65-49 57.0% 33-33-1 50.0%

Another of Billy's claims is that Grobe played a harder schedule. That seems to be true, given that he played 11 BCS teams in 6 years, while Solich has only played 15 in 9 years. Yet, does it really matter who you play, if you don't beat them? So, let's have a look, and see who those OOC wins came against:

Grobe's OOC wins against I-A teams:
1996 Hawaii 2- 9
1997 Maryland 2- 9
2000 Minnesota 6- 6

Solich's OOC wins against I-A teams:
2005 Pitt 5- 6
2006 Illinois 2-10
2007 La-Lafayette 3- 9
2009 North Texas 2-10
2010 La-Lafayette 3- 9
2011 New Mexico State 4- 9
2011 Marshall 7- 6
2011 Utah State 7- 6
2012 Penn State 8- 4
2012 New Mexico St 1-11
2012 Marshall 5- 7
2012 La-Monroe 8- 5
2013 North Texas 7- 3
2013 Marshall 7- 3

Amazingingly, Solich's first 5-6 years look almost identical to Grobe's 5 years. But....something amazing happens in the last three years. For the first time, Ohio starts beating OOC teams with winning records, and not just once - six times in three years. These same Seniors that everyone is complaining about giving up? They are the ones who played in those games. Very, interesting.

Now you're changing the argument. You said Grobe had to play a tougher MAC than Solich. The data proves that's not true.

Now you want to go to the next argument, Solich has more resources so should be doing better.

When you change the rules of the debate mid stream, why should anyone continue to engage you?

Now you're changing the argument. You said Grobe had to play a tougher MAC than Solich. The data proves that's not true.

Now you want to go to the next argument, Solich has more resources so should be doing better.

When you change the rules of the debate mid stream, why should anyone continue to engage you?

While I agree the RPI data doesn't look good for us "Grobe had a tougher go" folks, the list of MAC champions does:

From 1997-2000, The East (Marshall) won the MAC championship game every year.In fact, from 1997-2003 the East **dominated** the MACC, winning it 6 out of 7 years. During the Franky years, the West has taken over and won the MACC 5 out of 8 years. And we might as well make it 6 out of 9 the way it is looking.

We should also note that the East teams that won the MACC (Akron, Buffalo and Miami) have not been able to maintain success unlike the West which has produced a couple of dynasties during this time (NIU and WMU). 

What I notice in Paul's table is that the top 3 in the MAC East really suck versus years gone by (1998).  Face it, the MAC is not really made up of BCS teams from top to bottom!

Here's my statistical analysis: We totally tanked the last three games and anyone who thinks Coach doesn't bear responsibility is blind.

Use these numbers all you want, they may even prove that the NFC Central was better in 1985 than it is today, but the numbers do not make that a fact. Comparing sagrin ratings from one year to the next is meaningless. and we've been losing to horse shit teams.