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Posted: 11/20/2013 12:30 AM
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  You can lead a horse to water etc etc.


But Ohio will then be flagged for a horse collar...


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. . .The same Kent that lost to Akron 16-7.
 Was Archer at full strength in that game?  He certainly was tonight, and I know he's been hampered with injuries much of this season.  Also, can anyone else confirm my observation that Archer didn't play at all in the the 1st Quarter?  If he did, I don't think he got the ball.  I did miss the first two or three plays as I was late arriving at the stadium. 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 7:44 AM
Kent played Akron last week so I assume Archer was healthy.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 8:28 AM
Again I ask the question:

How in the world did this team beat both North Texas and Marshall? Two teams who have a chance to win their league, win 9-10 games, go to a bowl game, etc.

Whatever happened on homecoming weekend was the turning point. Was there a play in that game that showed it wasn't in the cards this season? Did TT get hit in an awkward way? What happened to the deep ball throws to Cochran that provided another wrinkle in the offense?

I can't really blame the defense for a lot of has happened this year. If the offense was up to snuff, the defense would be able to catch it's breath once in a while. That was the whole key to the season; the offense puts up enough points to give the defense time to learn and grow. They never even had a chance.

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Posted: 11/20/2013 8:49 AM

It's not Frank.

Maybe you guys don't see it, but Frank Solich is about the most consistent guy I've encountered in this life.

We have the same Frank Solich and the same coaching staff (for the most part) that beat Penn State, came back against Utah State in the second half to win the program's first bowl game, the same Frank that took Louisianna Mornoe behind the woodshed last winter. We've got the same Frank that went for the win against North Texas (and won), and Marshall (and lost).

We have  the same Frank that's a two (2) time Big Twelve Coach of the Year.

We have the same Frank that trust's his players to perform to the best of their ability. Frank's achilles heel is that he believes the guys he coaches can be as consistent as him.

The year he took his Nebraska team to the National Championship his team got blown out by Colorado the last week of the season. Then his team got beat badly in that Championship game. I don't honestly believe Frank and his coaching staff at the time were unprepared. I don't honestly believe Frank somehow could've put more work into the preparation.

It's not because Frank doesn't know how to coach. It might be because these 18-23 year olds don't know how to perform without a hype-man in their face. And Frank isn't a hype-man.

Frank never questioned Tettleton because Frank is mentally strong. Frank trusts his players. And in this case Tettleton betrayed that trust.

What has unfolded with this team, with Tettleton, is unfathomable to me. But don't get it twisted. The variable is Tyler Tettleton. Not Frank Solich.

 

 

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It's not Frank.

Maybe you guys don't see it, but Frank Solich is about the most consistent guy I've encountered in this life.

We have the same Frank Solich and the same coaching staff (for the most part) that beat Penn State, came back against Utah State in the second half to win the program's first bowl game, the same Frank that took Louisianna Mornoe behind the woodshed last winter. We've got the same Frank that went for the win against North Texas (and won), and Marshall (and lost).

We have  the same Frank that's a two (2) time Big Twelve Coach of the Year.

We have the same Frank that trust's his players to perform to the best of their ability. Frank's achilles heel is that he believes the guys he coaches can be as consistent as him.

The year he took his Nebraska team to the National Championship his team got blown out by Colorado the last week of the season. Then his team got beat badly in that Championship game. I don't honestly believe Frank and his coaching staff at the time were unprepared. I don't honestly believe Frank somehow could've put more work into the preparation.

It's not because Frank doesn't know how to coach. It might be because these 18-23 year olds don't know how to perform without a hype-man in their face. And Frank isn't a hype-man.

Frank never questioned Tettleton because Frank is mentally strong. Frank trusts his players. And in this case Tettleton betrayed that trust.

What has unfolded with this team, with Tettleton, is unfathomable to me. But don't get it twisted. The variable is Tyler Tettleton. Not Frank Solich.

 

 


+1

For me it's never been a Frank problem, it's a player problem. Having played myself, a coach can prepare you and have the best game plan in the world. But if the players don't go execute it, it all amounts to nothing.

 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 9:06 AM
Can't pin this all on one person.  Not one coach.  Not one player.  Not one QB.  Vick came in with the team down a few TDs and the first play call was a run between the tackles.  I got a lot of texts bemoaning that.  (And for those hoping for QB runs, I didn't really see Vick running either.)  The last few games I've seen a tentative secondary -- kind of giving up quickly and not going for the hit. 

Something weird is going on.  Bad luck calls at Buffalo turned into a bad woe-is-us attitude or something.  Like a if- you-can't-win-the-division-the-games-don't-matter type attitude. 

The program needs to hit the reset button somehow.  Badly.

I expect UMass to come in here majorly motivated.  And, I don't expect us to beat them.  At all.  That's pretty sad.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 9:40 AM
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It's not Frank.

Maybe you guys don't see it, but Frank Solich is about the most consistent guy I've encountered in this life.

We have the same Frank Solich and the same coaching staff (for the most part) that beat Penn State, came back against Utah State in the second half to win the program's first bowl game, the same Frank that took Louisianna Mornoe behind the woodshed last winter. We've got the same Frank that went for the win against North Texas (and won), and Marshall (and lost).

We have  the same Frank that's a two (2) time Big Twelve Coach of the Year.

We have the same Frank that trust's his players to perform to the best of their ability. Frank's achilles heel is that he believes the guys he coaches can be as consistent as him.

The year he took his Nebraska team to the National Championship his team got blown out by Colorado the last week of the season. Then his team got beat badly in that Championship game. I don't honestly believe Frank and his coaching staff at the time were unprepared. I don't honestly believe Frank somehow could've put more work into the preparation.

It's not because Frank doesn't know how to coach. It might be because these 18-23 year olds don't know how to perform without a hype-man in their face. And Frank isn't a hype-man.

Frank never questioned Tettleton because Frank is mentally strong. Frank trusts his players. And in this case Tettleton betrayed that trust.

What has unfolded with this team, with Tettleton, is unfathomable to me. But don't get it twisted. The variable is Tyler Tettleton. Not Frank Solich.

 

 



You are right but I think GotFrank does deserve some criticism-that being, when it was clear to all, players included, that the team field general, i.e. Tettleton, quit in a big way WEEKS AGO, Coach still stuck with him, thereby sabotaging what was once a promising season.  The coach's job isn't to stand by his senior leaders beyond all reason; his job is to put his team in the best possible position to win.  By leaving TT in, did Coach Solich put Ohio in the best position to win?  His blind trust in TT cost Ohio the season.  That's my belief, and I think it's a lot of posters' belief.
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It's not Frank.

Maybe you guys don't see it, but Frank Solich is about the most consistent guy I've encountered in this life.

We have the same Frank Solich and the same coaching staff (for the most part) that beat Penn State, came back against Utah State in the second half to win the program's first bowl game, the same Frank that took Louisianna Mornoe behind the woodshed last winter. We've got the same Frank that went for the win against North Texas (and won), and Marshall (and lost).

We have  the same Frank that's a two (2) time Big Twelve Coach of the Year.

We have the same Frank that trust's his players to perform to the best of their ability. Frank's achilles heel is that he believes the guys he coaches can be as consistent as him.

The year he took his Nebraska team to the National Championship his team got blown out by Colorado the last week of the season. Then his team got beat badly in that Championship game. I don't honestly believe Frank and his coaching staff at the time were unprepared. I don't honestly believe Frank somehow could've put more work into the preparation.

It's not because Frank doesn't know how to coach. It might be because these 18-23 year olds don't know how to perform without a hype-man in their face. And Frank isn't a hype-man.

Frank never questioned Tettleton because Frank is mentally strong. Frank trusts his players. And in this case Tettleton betrayed that trust.

What has unfolded with this team, with Tettleton, is unfathomable to me. But don't get it twisted. The variable is Tyler Tettleton. Not Frank Solich.

 

 


+1

For me it's never been a Frank problem, it's a player problem. Having played myself, a coach can prepare you and have the best game plan in the world. But if the players don't go execute it, it all amounts to nothing.

 


Another +1. The only point of disagreement is singling out Tettleton. When Vick came in, he demonstrated just how far behind Tettleton he is. He got nothing accomplished but an interception. During the preparation week, Solich has to look at his options: Tettleton (seems to have quit, but we know he has the talent deep down), Vick (not ready), Sprague (definitely not ready).

So if you're Frank, who do you put in at QB? He went with his proven winner. I can't completely fault him for that. I do think he should have pulled TT even sooner than he did. But ultimately, Vick can't get it done either, and I place much of that blame on the offensive line, who are playing horribly right now.

While I put most blame on the offense, and the offensive line in particular, I think the defensive secondary is equally awful. Carrie has not had a good season. Carpenter hasn't either. I'm now seeing what PSU's O'Brien saw in game film: "This team isn't interested in tackling."
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Posted: 11/20/2013 9:51 AM

I think Vick may have done better had he had all the practice reps this past week. 

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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.

The head coach really makes very little difference.  For instance, Orgeron has had no impact--none at all--at USC.



Seriously, the posts that assign no or very little responsibility to the head coach are probably the stupidest posts ever put up here.  How can you even possibility think that "It's Not Frank."

Tell me.  Really.  I'm curious how one can view the last three weeks and conceive of that thought.


Let's do it this way.  What is the head coach responsible for if not the play of our team over the last three weeks?








 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 10:05 AM
It's not Frank?  That's like saying its not Obama!  Blame starts and ends at the top.  This STAFF has not prepared this team for the last 3 games mentally or physically.  We blow coverages, have untimely penalties (both mental) and we flat out don't block or tackle (physical).  Bottom line is this staff has NOT prepared this team and it shows in the execution or lack thereof.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 10:07 AM
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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.

The head coach really makes very little difference.  For instance, Orgeron has had no impact--none at all--at USC.



Seriously, the posts that assign no or very little responsibility to the head coach are probably the stupidest posts ever put up here.  How can you even possibility think that "It's Not Frank."

Tell me.  Really.  I'm curious how one can view the last three weeks and conceive of that thought.


Let's do it this way.  What is the head coach responsible for if not the play of our team over the last three weeks?


 



It's players who either execute or don't out on the field.

Frank did everything he could this past week to incite and motivate the team.

Frank isn't responsible for the idiotic penalties. We had at least twice as many penalty yards last night as we normally average.

Funny how 10 years ago we'd have been happy with a 6-5 season. Now some here are saying Frank needs to go.  I guess I'm among the 'stupid' since I think Solich is one of the best football coaches we've ever had in Athens.
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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.

The head coach really makes very little difference.  For instance, Orgeron has had no impact--none at all--at USC.



Seriously, the posts that assign no or very little responsibility to the head coach are probably the stupidest posts ever put up here.  How can you even possibility think that "It's Not Frank."

Tell me.  Really.  I'm curious how one can view the last three weeks and conceive of that thought.


Let's do it this way.  What is the head coach responsible for if not the play of our team over the last three weeks?








 

I follow Michigan football very closely and have been a fan for a very long time of the Wolverines. Coach Hoke is in some hot water for a team this year that has been very disappointing this year, much like our Bobcats. Having seen all of the game of both teams, there is a very tangible difference between these two underachieving teams. Watching UM, there is no question that their players are playing to win each and every week. Players are playing their hardest every play. The problem is the coaching is not putting together an offensive scheme that will work with the players they have. It's very clear that Michigan has a very young offensive line that is still developing, but the run blocking (and pass blocking) is just not very good. Yet they continue to run the ball time and again into a wall trying to "establish the run game." Sound familiar? The difference here is that almost all the heat on this program is directed at the coaching staff, not the players. It's obvious watching our team that you have to question the effort of some of the players. Have we suddenly changed our offensive scheme this second half of the season? When we beat Penn State last year, there was still a heavy dose of Beau up the middle. We've always been a run first team that opened up the passing game later on. The coaching and schemes have not changed, but the results on the field are far different.

 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 10:12 AM
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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.

The head coach really makes very little difference.  For instance, Orgeron has had no impact--none at all--at USC.



Seriously, the posts that assign no or very little responsibility to the head coach are probably the stupidest posts ever put up here.  How can you even possibility think that "It's Not Frank."

Tell me.  Really.  I'm curious how one can view the last three weeks and conceive of that thought.


Let's do it this way.  What is the head coach responsible for if not the play of our team over the last three weeks?


I don't claim Solich bears no responsibility. I believe he does. As other have pointed out, he holds the power to trump the insistent "Beau up the middle" call. By the way, I counted seven instances of "Beau up the middle" on first down last night before I lost count and turned off the TV.

However, it is not realistic to assign all blame to Solich. The end-game to that frame of thinking is firing Solich--which I believe would be a bad move. Vick's performance last night illustrates our inability to produce offense, whether it be with Vick or TT or anyone else. Frank seems to think TT gives us our best chance for victory. Clearly TT is not what he used to be, but he still gives the team a better chance for victory than anyone else currently on the team. In the future, as Vick gets more reps, perhaps that will not be true. But today, it is true.

You could then attack Solich for not having better talent. Again, ultimately, that is Solich's responsibility. And again, I would agree. However, I believe our overall talent is improving, and I think if we stay on track, we will have much better talent in the next 2-3 years.

If we fire Solich and start all over, all bets are off. Ask yourself, how many times in your lifetime has Ohio University brought in a football coach who was immediately successful?





 
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I want to say up front that I'm still a Solich backer.  The guy has done wonders for this program and this school, and I still think there are better days ahead.

But...

There comes a time when a coach has to let everybody know who's in charge.  You can't have your star player(s) turn into prima donna(s) and wreck the team's morale.  If cajoling a player into shaping up doesn't work, then at some point you have to take the ball out of his hands and give it to someone else.  Vick had a week of reps with the first team before Norfolk St last year and looked marvelous against them (admittedly, an inferior opponent).  Giving Vick the bulk of first team reps would send the message; how T2 would react to it -- either positively by getting his act together, or negatively by sulking -- is another thing.  I get the impression that what has been done up to now is similar to the scene from "The Natural" with the pinheaded psychologist giving a boring lecture to the team ("Losing is a disease...).  It's really past time to lay down the law; do a "Bull Durham" and throw a few bats into the shower.
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I want to say up front that I'm still a Solich backer.  The guy has done wonders for this program and this school, and I still think there are better days ahead.

But...

There comes a time when a coach has to let everybody know who's in charge.  You can't have your star player(s) turn into prima donna(s) and wreck the team's morale.  If cajoling a player into shaping up doesn't work, then at some point you have to take the ball out of his hands and give it to someone else.  Vick had a week of reps with the first team before Norfolk St last year and looked marvelous against them (admittedly, an inferior opponent).  Giving Vick the bulk of first team reps would send the message; how T2 would react to it -- either positively by getting his act together, or negatively by sulking -- is another thing.  I get the impression that what has been done up to now is similar to the scene from "The Natural" with the pinheaded psychologist giving a boring lecture to the team ("Losing is a disease...).  It's really past time to lay down the law; do a "Bull Durham" and throw a few bats into the shower.

Watching the team come out of the tunnel for the second half last week @ BG, Frank was still undressing them as they were running back onto the field. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't been in their ears about this off camera already. There's only so much you can do.


 
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Is it possible....that the players would rather lose with Tettleton at QB than win with Vick at QB? And that the reason Frank has not benched Tettleton is that he would have a full-blown player revolt on his hands?
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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.


Can you read English or does everything have to be converted into "BiGMAnzZZZ" for you to comprehend?

Frank has been nothing but consistent. Your weekly diatribes about vanilla offense do nothing but support my point.

When you have a product that deviates this much, and you want to understand it, look at the variables. Frank isn't one. It's the players. And we've seen about the most inexplicable swing in effort in a QB that you could expect.

If you want to say Frank is responsible for the players he recruits, then define the theoretical product. What is the maximum yeild (a National Championship)? How efficient is the product Frank has produced relative to that maximum yield? Over the last 8 years?

With respect to the last 8 years Frank's performed in the 99th percentile. (Think about it with your little boy logic Monroe. Even if some other dude rolled up and won a BCS game he's gone. That's not a program, that's a flash in the pan.)

If Frank, suddenly, overnight, changed the way he approaches life and become a wildly energetic and mentally unstable head coach like PJ Fleck of Western Michigan would he have achieved a more efficient product?

Frank's literally working with a quarterback who he recruited 6 YEARZZZZZZZZ ago. Before the program won a bowl game. Before the program even got back to beating Marshall.

Frank Solich, even without a MAC Championship, even with this disappointing season, has built a foundation for this program. And its rock solid.

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For me it's never been a Frank problem, it's a player problem. Having played myself, a coach can prepare you and have the best game plan in the world. But if the players don't go execute it, it all amounts to nothing.

 


I'm sorry but when one or more players have clearly quit and there are no repercussions for quitting then it is on the coach.  I'm not suggesting any drastic actions regarding Frank but the fact that certain players are not giving full effort and they keep trotting out there series after series after series is a huge condemnation of your leadership.  I don't care how talented players are at this point I want the guys on the field who are trying. Tyler Tettleton has done a lot of wonderful things for this school and this program but he should have been benched quite some time ago.  Right now he is that kid in your neighborhood when you played Mall Ball (we called it something else when I was a kid but you can't call it that anymore) who would yell "I'm down, I'm down, I'm down" whenever anyone got near.  That play where he just sat down in the pocket was a perfect synopsis of our season.
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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.


Can you read English or does everything have to be converted into "BiGMAnzZZZ" for you to comprehend?

Frank has been nothing but consistent. Your weekly diatribes about vanilla offense do nothing but support my point.

When you have a product that deviates this much, and you want to understand it, look at the variables. Frank isn't one. It's the players. And we've seen about the most inexplicable swing in effort in a QB that you could expect.

If you want to say Frank is responsible for the players he recruits, then define the theoretical product. What is the maximum yeild (a National Championship)? How efficient is the product Frank has produced relative to that maximum yield? Over the last 8 years?

With respect to the last 8 years Frank's performed in the 99th percentile. (Think about it with your little boy logic Monroe. Even if some other dude rolled up and won a BCS game he's gone. That's not a program, that's a flash in the pan.)

If Frank, suddenly, overnight, changed the way he approaches life and become a wildly energetic and mentally unstable head coach like PJ Fleck of Western Michigan would he have achieved a more efficient product?

Frank's literally working with a quarterback who he recruited 6 YEARZZZZZZZZ ago. Before the program won a bowl game. Before the program even got back to beating Marshall.

Frank Solich, even without a MAC Championship, even with this disappointing season, has built a foundation for this program. And its rock solid.



I don't get the complete disregard for what Monroe said. It is true, on this board, Frank gets all of the credit he deserves when Ohio wins. Why can't the fans blame him for losses? Are you kidding me? That's the nature of the coaching business. And the QB position if were were to switch topics.

I'm not disputing what you say as far as the consistency of the program or the foundation he has laid, but Monroe does bring up a good point here. If this program goes completely down the tubes, you can't blame just the player(s) forever. After all, if the program falters, then it wasn't that stable or consistent to begin with right? It all falls back to the coach.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 12:04 PM
Even if it was Franks fault does anybody really cared. Does anyone want Frank fired? Ok he had one bad year in judgment but he's still done more for this team than anyone has before him and if anybody would even consider firing him I would call them the dumbest football fan on the planet. Honestly I think we just had way too high of expectations this year. We have a young O line and a young defense. We'll be back next year with another chance to win the MAC. It doesn't take massive changes to turn a team around and do good/bad the next year. Look at Kent and Buffalo. I have complete trust in Frank and know that going forward he will put our program in a better position to win than any other coach around
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Even if it was Franks fault does anybody really cared. Does anyone want Frank fired? Ok he had one bad year in judgment but he's still done more for this team than anyone has before him and if anybody would even consider firing him I would call them the dumbest football fan on the planet. Honestly I think we just had way too high of expectations this year. We have a young O line and a young defense. We'll be back next year with another chance to win the MAC. It doesn't take massive changes to turn a team around and do good/bad the next year. Look at Kent and Buffalo. I have complete trust in Frank and know that going forward he will put our program in a better position to win than any other coach around


I'm certainly NOT calling for Coach Solich to be fired, that's for sure.  With all he's done for Ohio and the football program, he deserves a mulligan as far as I'm concerned.  Besides, I'm just some guy sitting at an office desk in Cleveland who goes to maybe one game a year (Homecoming in 2011, 2013) and watches on TV, so what do I know?  Nothing pretty much.

What I do worry about is Coach Solich's credibility with his players and his lockerroom.  I don't profess to know the intricacies of what's going on in Athens, but from outward appearances it seems the QB played with less than 100% enthusiasm for some period of time yet the Coach kept playing him.  I cannot imagine that played well with all the players in the lockerroom.  Like I said, there may very well be a rational explanation for all of this that I'm not aware of.  But I am concerned with Solich's credibility with his players.  Hopefully that worry on my part is unfounded as Coach Solich is a very good coach.
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Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 11/20/2013 12:28 PM
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It's a really good point that the head coach bears no responsibility for this.  He only bears responsibility for the team's success.  None for bad results.


Can you read English or does everything have to be converted into "BiGMAnzZZZ" for you to comprehend?

Frank has been nothing but consistent. Your weekly diatribes about vanilla offense do nothing but support my point.

When you have a product that deviates this much, and you want to understand it, look at the variables. Frank isn't one. It's the players. And we've seen about the most inexplicable swing in effort in a QB that you could expect.

If you want to say Frank is responsible for the players he recruits, then define the theoretical product. What is the maximum yeild (a National Championship)? How efficient is the product Frank has produced relative to that maximum yield? Over the last 8 years?

With respect to the last 8 years Frank's performed in the 99th percentile. (Think about it with your little boy logic Monroe. Even if some other dude rolled up and won a BCS game he's gone. That's not a program, that's a flash in the pan.)

If Frank, suddenly, overnight, changed the way he approaches life and become a wildly energetic and mentally unstable head coach like PJ Fleck of Western Michigan would he have achieved a more efficient product?

Frank's literally working with a quarterback who he recruited 6 YEARZZZZZZZZ ago. Before the program won a bowl game. Before the program even got back to beating Marshall.

Frank Solich, even without a MAC Championship, even with this disappointing season, has built a foundation for this program. And its rock solid.



First, I'm with RFox on this--there's certainly blame to be put on the players.  I've never denied that.  But to hold the coaching staff pretty much blameless makes no sense.

First, I'm amazed by how we are seeing a slow, small, untalented, uninspired team.  I know that TV doesn't show the whole field but the number of breakdowns by us and the lack of any plays on which one of our players dominates/beats his man is appalling. The unstopped jailbreak by kents' d-linemen last night--we had nothing to try to counter that? 

 Is this the same bunch that played so nicely against NTSU and stupd cow?

The real point here, however, is that the coaches, indeed, have not changed anything.  In a situation that could not possible more call for same.  So, the beloved consistency is now laregely the problem.

Again:  On O, where are the hurry up, the two or three back sets, the screen passes, the jet sweeps (inside and outside), the options (especiallly off tackle), the quarterback runs,, the multiple tight end (2 or 3 sets), the 6 or 7 offensive linemen sets, etc, etc.  The lack of imagination on offense is, again, appalling.  Just a jaw-dropping lack of response to circumstances--which are that it ain't working so try something different.

On defense, where are the blitzes or the 5 to 7 down linemen sets, etc, etc.

How many times can I repeat that we've done almost nothing new from game to game.  If you've seen us once, then you've seen all we have.

Can anyone once recall the oppo taking a timeout this year because they came to the line of scrimmage and saw something starkly different from us such that they were unprepared.  Have we done anything at all to upset the opponent's rhythm.

Yes,Virginia, there is coaching in football in terms of strategy and reacting to circumstances on the field.



I'm not saying fire GotFrank.  I am saying fire the offensive coordinator.
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C Money
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Posted: 11/20/2013 12:51 PM
But if we fire the offensive coordinator, he can't be our head-coach-in-waiting anymore...
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