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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:03 PM
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I saw the same article.  I think it's just a matter of time until we are relegated to some kind of sub-BCS status.  Maybe that wouldn't be such a bad deal if the have-nots can negotiate some kind of deal where we can get a subsidy from the big boys' TV money to keep us afloat while at the same time establishing a real 16 team playoff series for the "Have Not Cup" or whatever you want to call it.

Just an opinion but I can't stand that a-hole Delaney.  He's so damned smug  and condescending all the time.
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Any additional money should be based on need.  I can't see pumping more money to someone like Manziel, whose family is very well-to-do.  And it shouldn't go for stuff like tattoos. Maybe something like a voucher that's only redeemable at the bookstores, the college's food services, etc.
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Any additional money should be based on need.  I can't see pumping more money to someone like Manziel, whose family is very well-to-do.  And it shouldn't go for stuff like tattoos. Maybe something like a voucher that's only redeemable at the bookstores, the college's food services, etc.


Don't they already get that?
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Unless a politician gets in the way this is inevitable.  Once Utah was folded into the Pac 12 that possibility diminished.  The only place I can think where a policitian (most likely a Senator) would want to make some noise is Connecticut.

What would a politican do?  Just threatening intervention could get some things done.  Orrin Hatch making noise got Utah into the PAC 12 after all.
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Zaleski wrote:expand_more
I saw the same article.  I think it's just a matter of time until we are relegated to some kind of sub-BCS status.  Maybe that wouldn't be such a bad deal if the have-nots can negotiate some kind of deal where we can get a subsidy from the big boys' TV money to keep us afloat while at the same time establishing a real 16 team playoff series for the "Have Not Cup" or whatever you want to call it.

Just an opinion but I can't stand that a-hole Delaney.  He's so damned smug  and condescending all the time.


Me too.  Add Gene Smith to that category.
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I've long said the NCAA should require each program to be in a conference, and each conference must have 16 teams and hold a year-end championship, then let them fend amongst themselves, but would likely result in the Big 12 breaking up into the other 4 conferences.  Then just create a 4 team tournament of champions at the end of the season.  Do something similar for the remaining D1 teams.  Burn all the rankings and piss on the ashes.
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Just an opinion but I can't stand that a-hole Delaney.  He's so damned smug  and condescending all the time.


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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Any additional money should be based on need.  I can't see pumping more money to someone like Manziel, whose family is very well-to-do.  And it shouldn't go for stuff like tattoos. Maybe something like a voucher that's only redeemable at the bookstores, the college's food services, etc.


Totally agree. The money Manziel makes for Texas A&M should go to his coach, who can then leave as soon as a higher paying job crops up.
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Zaleski wrote:expand_more
I saw the same article.  I think it's just a matter of time until we are relegated to some kind of sub-BCS status.  Maybe that wouldn't be such a bad deal if the have-nots can negotiate some kind of deal where we can get a subsidy from the big boys' TV money to keep us afloat while at the same time establishing a real 16 team playoff series for the "Have Not Cup" or whatever you want to call it.

Just an opinion but I can't stand that a-hole Delaney.  He's so damned smug  and condescending all the time.


The writing's been on the wall for years. We're fast approaching a point where injecting the additional money needed to maintain a FBS level program is a pointless expenditure. The focus at this point should be on partnering with other schools of our size and resources, and creating a "power conference" that will compete outside of the FBS structure and leave us eligible for the FCS championship. The best MAC schools should be talking to the CAA about creating a two division conference and aiming to make it the best conference in FCS. That conference is full of state schools like URI, UNH, JMU, Towson, and Delaware that are roughly the same size as Ohio. I don't really see the value in competing in some new, second tier. Is anybody really going to care who wins a 16 team playoff between the best MAC, Sun Belt, and Mountain West schools?
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Is anybody really going to care who wins a 16 team playoff between the best MAC, Sun Belt, and Mountain West schools?


Yes, the fans of those programs.  We're already essentially banned from any sort of national competition no matter what we do and ignored by the elite programs anyway, so I really don't see why it upsets people so much.  Keep everything the same as FBS division with lots of OOC games between them, just have the conference champions feed into different tournaments.  I for one may even enjoy being the Non-BCS champion more than winning a BCS bowl against a 10-15th ranked team.

But I wouldn't make it a 16 team, I'd just make it conference champions only.
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Is anybody really going to care who wins a 16 team playoff between the best MAC, Sun Belt, and Mountain West schools?


Yes, the fans of those programs.  We're already essentially banned from any sort of national competition no matter what we do and ignored by the elite programs anyway, so I really don't see why it upsets people so much.  Keep everything the same as FBS division with lots of OOC games between them, just have the conference champions feed into different tournaments.  I for one may even enjoy being the Non-BCS champion more than winning a BCS bowl against a 10-15th ranked team.

But I wouldn't make it a 16 team, I'd just make it conference champions only.


My point though, is why limit the field to 40 some odd teams. Why not drop down and join FCS with those 40 teams?
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There will never be a split.  The top 50 or so teams feast on the revenues of seven and eight home games a year for additional revenues, and the bottom tier of the 64 teams will never agree to only having four or five home games a year to accommodate the top team's desire to continue to host eight home games for the extra revenues.

The AQ's need the non-AQ's for this reason alone, so a split is never going to happen.  At the worst, you will see a compromised solution.

The irony of it all is that a team like the Evil Empire continues to play the dregs of non-AQ's and the occasional FCS game to keep the coffers flush with cash while they harm their strength of schedule in the process, and don't deliver a battle hardened team come bowl season.  But hey, they still drive home the big "bucks" so they can support the most D1 programs in the country, like their competitive underwater basket weaving team.
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I still think the most sense is the non AQ plus some top tier 1AA tems in their own division.  You tell me, who is OHIO and the MAC closer to in resources and committment to football, theosu and bigten or the likes of North Dakota State?  If we don't have the resources to committ to playing with the big boys then play the little brothers.
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There are about 124 teams in FBS now, I believe. Suppose that they did what someone suggested above - make the BCS into 4 sixteen team conferences (PAC -16, SE-16, AC-16, and B1G 10/16). Then, suppose you take the rest of the teams, and make 4 more ~16 team conferences (AAC, CUSA, MAC/Belt, and MWC/WAC). That makes room for 128 teams in I-A.

I do agree - the status quo is unstable.Changes will continue to happen.
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
There are about 124 teams in FBS now, I believe. Suppose that they did what someone suggested above - make the BCS into 4 sixteen team conferences (PAC -16, SE-16, AC-16, and B1G 10/16). Then, suppose you take the rest of the teams, and make 4 more ~16 team conferences (AAC, CUSA, MAC/Belt, and MWC/WAC). That makes room for 128 teams in I-A.

I do agree - the status quo is unstable.Changes will continue to happen.
The article states there are 65 teams in the Power 5 conferences. 4 16 team conferences equals 64. Who gets left out? Not to mention the likes of UC, UConn, and BYU want to be at the big kid table.
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The article states there are 65 teams in the Power 5 conferences. 4 16 team conferences equals 64. Who gets left out? Not to mention the likes of UC, UConn, and BYU want to be at the big kid table.

I think they could just let the programs and conferences fend for themselves.  There are PLENTY of programs in the 65 (70ish with independents) that would be excellent candidates to drop down, and the conferences can make the decision to get rid of them.  I am sure there are contracts and other logistics that make this impossible, but in theory I love it.  64 teams in the BCS conferences, with 4 conference winners playing for the title...64 teams in non-BCS conferences, with 4 conference winners playing for a different title.  OOC and bowl games could still mix them up.  Until a non-BCS school gets a crack at the title, I see no reason why we shouldn't embrace this.

I think the moral of the story is in a sport with 12 measely regular season games, 124 teams is too damn many.  A natural divide is of course going to develop, so embrace it and make the pool smaller.

 
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...I think the moral of the story is in a sport with 12 measely regular season games, 124 teams is too damn many.  A natural divide is of course going to develop, so embrace it and make the pool smaller.

I don't know.  There are lots of options that have never been explored. For example, they could also drop to an 7 game regular season, then seed the teams, and play a 128-Team single elimination tournament, which would take 7 games. Those that lose could get scheduled into consolation games, so that they end up with a full 12 game schedule. The final champion and runner up would play 14 games, which is the same as the current system.
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The article states there are 65 teams in the Power 5 conferences. 4 16 team conferences equals 64. Who gets left out? Not to mention the likes of UC, UConn, and BYU want to be at the big kid table.


I think they could just let the programs and conferences fend for themselves. There are PLENTY of programs in the 65 (70ish with independents) that would be excellent candidates to drop down, and the conferences can make the decision to get rid of them. I am sure there are contracts and other logistics that make this impossible, but in theory I love it. 64 teams in the BCS conferences, with 4 conference winners playing for the title...64 teams in non-BCS conferences, with 4 conference winners playing for a different title. OOC and bowl games could still mix them up. Until a non-BCS school gets a crack at the title, I see no reason why we shouldn't embrace this.

I think the moral of the story is in a sport with 12 measely regular season games, 124 teams is too damn many. A natural divide is of course going to develop, so embrace it and make the pool smaller.

Nobody would willingly drop down. There is way too much money at stake. The amount of television revenue the power 5 conference bottom feeders would lose could be crushing to any athletic department. I could not see a Washington St., Indiana, Kentucky, Iowa St. or Wake Forest wanting to drop.
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I still think the most sense is the non AQ plus some top tier 1AA tems in their own division.  You tell me, who is OHIO and the MAC closer to in resources and committment to football, theosu and bigten or the likes of North Dakota State?  If we don't have the resources to committ to playing with the big boys then play the little brothers.



Bingo and well said.
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I still think the most sense is the non AQ plus some top tier 1AA tems in their own division.  You tell me, who is OHIO and the MAC closer to in resources and committment to football, theosu and bigten or the likes of North Dakota State?  If we don't have the resources to committ to playing with the big boys then play the little brothers.



Bingo and well said.


Sometimes I think you don't need all those resources.  Northern Illinois is proving that the last few years.  You can be a top 20 team for several years spending so much less. 

What's the harm in that?

A team like Northern actually embarrasses all these big spenders.  I love it.  They are wasting money.
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The G5 can survive without the P5.

The P5 cannot survive without the G5.

They break away from us at their own peril. What will happen when OSU has to replace the 3 non P5 patsy OOC home games each Sept with actual home/away agreements with other P5 schools?

Suddenly there's a lot more P5 teams with 1 or 2 losses in Sept and their fans will want someone's head on a stick.
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Nobody would willingly drop down. There is way too much money at stake. The amount of television revenue the power 5 conference bottom feeders would lose could be crushing to any athletic department. I could not see a Washington St., Indiana, Kentucky, Iowa St. or Wake Forest wanting to drop.

Of course nobody would willingly drop, I am just saying the PAC 12 could tell Washington State they are out, or the Big 12 could disband but Iowa State could be left with no suitors, etc. 

 
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perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
The G5 can survive without the P5.

The P5 cannot survive without the G5.

They break away from us at their own peril. What will happen when OSU has to replace the 3 non P5 patsy OOC home games each Sept with actual home/away agreements with other P5 schools?

Suddenly there's a lot more P5 teams with 1 or 2 losses in Sept and their fans will want someone's head on a stick.


Oh, they'll still play those games.  They just won't share any of their TV and bowl money and etc.
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Did anyone see the package for the new Boise State football coach? 6.5M for 5 years. That's the kind of money it takes to play in the big leagues.

And, by the way Delaney, nice bozo hair!

 
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