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Posted: 12/26/2013 5:03 PM
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If OU didn't have football many people would not want to come here. I would not have gone to OU if they didn't have a football team and I promise you they're many others like me.


Do you have any evidence to back up this claim (aside from your personal statement)?
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Posted: 12/26/2013 5:04 PM
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I don't understand why you insist on not having football - it seems to be just a quixotic obsession to be "different" with you.


Football comes at a physical cost to players that is too high. I don't think there is any way to responsibly sponsor the sport and I would rather not my alma mater exact that price from its students. I also don't believe the culture around football is healthy and is partly responsible for the problem of injuries and concussions the sport is facing.


It is this attitude towards football as stated by JSF and an ever growing multitude of Americans leads me to believe that American football's days as we know it are numbered.  I'm not saying that's bad (selfishly, I love football and regret it's demise but that's me); it's just a societal trend that I see.
 
As to President McDavis, I like him and think he's a great President.  OK, I'll take OUPride's word for it and say that Miami of Ohio's incoming freshmen have marginally higher SAT scores than Ohio's.  OK, so what?  Miami's a snobby school that Ohio should not try to emulate, IMHO.  No I'm not saying Ohio should only strive to attract mediocre students.  I AM saying that Ohio is a school willing to give an otherwise worthwhile student a chance to attend, to learn and to grow as an individual while other snobby, full-of-themselves educational institutions of higher learning might refuse admittance merely because the applicant's ACT score wasn't a 26 or they didn't graduate in the top 10%-15 of their high school class.  That's one of the many, many reasons I love Ohio.

Anyway, I'm sure I've digressed by now.  Very interesting thread!

Edit:  OK, maybe I'm a little harsh.  Miami's a very fine institution and I'd be proud if one of my children went there.  I still like OHIO lot more and think it's a much better place!
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Posted: 12/26/2013 5:30 PM
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If OU didn't have football many people would not want to come here. I would not have gone to OU if they didn't have a football team and I promise you they're many others like me.


Do you have any evidence to back up this claim (aside from your personal statement)?


I've been thinking about this while doing a few chores this beautiful winter afternoon.  It's hard to imagine the same sort of affinity to OU we get every October during homecoming without football.  Personally, it's one of my favorite weekends/times of the year.  Part of that is due to the fact that we came here in 79 for graduate school, met lots of people, they left, we stayed and now they come back.  If there wasn't homecoming each year, I don't think we'd see them as often as we do.  I'm not advancing an argument or point here just an observation after hauling wood around this afternoon.  On the flip side, I'm sure there are plenty of schools that have activities that draw alums to campus without the associated football game.  Maybe it's just time to have that difficult discussion as to why we have college right after high school in the first place.  A couple of years of doing something else in a "public service" situation might lead to enrolled students gaining the depth and breath of knowledge that the college experience purports to hold.  

And on a side note especially for you newer posters, don't dismiss JSF's statements out of hand.  Even though he and I have gone head to head on many topics for many years, I can say without reservation that he tends to research topics and advanced positions from a generally logical point of view.  Kind of like Love and the new and improved former student senate president who never got thrown in jail during his time here in Athens.  A belated Merry Christmas everyone and go BG and NIU.
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Posted: 12/26/2013 8:51 PM
The importance of football to alumni is an important point to consider. It's likely a major bridge between the school and its former students. I'd be interested to see what non-football schools such as Xavier do, if anything, for Homecoming-like festivities. Do they move it to basketball season, or is just not sport-related?
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Posted: 12/26/2013 10:50 PM
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T.... It's likely a major bridge between the school and its former students. ...

It's also a major bridge between town and gown. Someone here estimated that on Football Saturdays an extra $1m flows into the Athens business community. If true, that far exceeds the amount the university subsidizes football.
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Posted: 12/26/2013 11:06 PM
Another thing to consider, although not connected academically if there wasn't football that in turn hurts the 110 I feel. No football = no consistent stage for the 110 to perform. Which means no extra exposure for the university when the 110 performs their newest routine online, which trickles down to other variables
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Posted: 12/27/2013 12:42 AM
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what's the GPA of incoming freshman compared to 2005.

3.40 vs. 3.30.  A marginal increase in any event and, absent any improvements in class rank and test scores, more likely a result of the rampant grade inflation in American high schools than any real improvement in the quality of our applicant pool and freshmen classes.  In fact at the higher end, we've actually gotten worse.  47% of the class having a 3.50 or better in 2005 versus only 42% in 2012.

The figures are all there in the two university documents I linked.  There has been virtually no change in the quality of our freshmen classes under McDavis' leadership.  2005 being the first freshman class that was admitted under his Presidency, and certainly none that can be attributed to the multi-million dollar athletic subsidy.

If people were really concerned with attracting better students to Ohio, they'd stop this nonsense that athletic spending is the way to get there and instead argue that the subsidy propping up the athletic department instead be spent on direct merit scholarships to high ability students.

 


 


This has always been a (somewhat sore) point of interest for me.  When my younger brother graduated high school as a National Merit Scholarship finalist in 1989, I was in the middle of my time as an undergraduate at Ohio.  Ohio told him they had a scholarship fund that would be divided equally among whatever number of National Merit finalists applied that year.  I can't remember what dollar amount they said he would likely receive, but it wasn't much.  Then he visited BGSU, where they rolled out the red carpet told him any and all National Merit finalists who applied for admission would be offered a full scholarship - four years of tuition plus free room and board.  Guess where he ended up.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 1:20 AM
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Another thing to consider, although not connected academically if there wasn't football that in turn hurts the 110 I feel. No football = no consistent stage for the 110 to perform.


This as well. But I half feel you'd get a few thousand to show up for a weekly 110 performance...
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Posted: 12/27/2013 8:49 AM
Guys, JSF is a nice guy and all, but he's made up his mind already. He doesn't like division 1 athletics anymore. It costs too much for him. And the brain injuries inherent in football have turned him off that sport. He's only here to win converts. No disrespect to the guy. He bleeds green. Just division 3 green.

The future of football at this level is going to end soon anyway. The BCS guys are kicking us out. And soon in hoops as well. They'll bring in the Big East for hoops. And then it will be over.
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The future of football at this level is going to end soon anyway. The BCS guys are kicking us out. And soon in hoops as well. They'll bring in the Big East for hoops. And then it will be over.
Totally unfounded conspiracy theory. The exact opposite seems to be developing actually. BTW,
Who was that guy on.the grassy knoll anyway?
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Posted: 12/27/2013 10:46 AM
I applied to 3 higher education institutions out of high school... 1 played FBS football, 2 did not. I went to the 1 that did. I can tell you that it was a factor. That means we can add another personal statement to the chest of evidence! I cannot speak for others, but my brain tells me others also factored in football when choosing a school. I have absolutely no evidence to support that claim.

Funny thing those things called brains... I haven't ever seen it, but the brain surgeons who have knocked around inside my head tell me it is there. I am an optimist (personal statement?), so I believe them. I have seen studies that almost all humans have brains. I think it is reasonable to conclude most people who attend college also have brains. I also think it is reasonable to conclude most people posting on a internet message board dedicated to a college athletic team have or are attending college. I would argue that on average, people who have or will attend college have moderately powerful brains.

I do not have the time or desire to go through every statement on this board demanding evidence. However, like I said, I am an optimist. I put some faith in everyone here to reason. I respect the reasoning of some more than others, but I do think everyone with a brain is capable of reasoning. With or without a warchest of evidence to back every claim up...
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Posted: 12/27/2013 10:56 AM
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I applied to 3 higher education institutions out of high school... 1 played FBS football, 2 did not. I went to the 1 that did. I can tell you that it was a factor. That means we can add another personal statement to the chest of evidence! I cannot speak for others, but my brain tells me others also factored in football when choosing a school. I have absolutely no evidence to support that claim.

Funny thing those things called brains... I haven't ever seen it, but the brain surgeons who have knocked around inside my head tell me it is there. I am an optimist (personal statement?), so I believe them. I have seen studies that almost all humans have brains. I think it is reasonable to conclude most people who attend college also have brains. I also think it is reasonable to conclude most people posting on a internet message board dedicated to a college athletic team have or are attending college. I would argue that on average, people who have or will attend college have moderately powerful brains.

I do not have the time or desire to go through every statement on this board demanding evidence. However, like I said, I am an optimist. I put some faith in everyone here to reason. I respect the reasoning of some more than others, but I do think everyone with a brain is capable of reasoning. With or without a warchest of evidence to back every claim up...


  I'm confused.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs
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I don't understand why you insist on not having football - it seems to be just a quixotic obsession to be "different" with you.


Football comes at a physical cost to players that is too high. I don't think there is any way to responsibly sponsor the sport and I would rather not my alma mater exact that price from its students. I also don't believe the culture around football is healthy and is partly responsible for the problem of injuries and concussions the sport is facing.


It is this attitude towards football as stated by JSF and an ever growing multitude of Americans leads me to believe that American football's days as we know it are numbered.  I'm not saying that's bad (selfishly, I love football and regret it's demise but that's me); it's just a societal trend that I see.
 
As to President McDavis, I like him and think he's a great President.  OK, I'll take OUPride's word for it and say that Miami of Ohio's incoming freshmen have marginally higher SAT scores than Ohio's.  OK, so what?  Miami's a snobby school that Ohio should not try to emulate, IMHO.  No I'm not saying Ohio should only strive to attract mediocre students.  I AM saying that Ohio is a school willing to give an otherwise worthwhile student a chance to attend, to learn and to grow as an individual while other snobby, full-of-themselves educational institutions of higher learning might refuse admittance merely because the applicant's ACT score wasn't a 26 or they didn't graduate in the top 10%-15 of their high school class.  That's one of the many, many reasons I love Ohio.

Anyway, I'm sure I've digressed by now.  Very interesting thread!

Edit:  OK, maybe I'm a little harsh.  Miami's a very fine institution and I'd be proud if one of my children went there.  I still like OHIO lot more and think it's a much better place!



You bring up some very good points about how selective Ohio should aspire to be and how it should attempt to balance that with admitting kids who are capable of doing the work.  I brought up the freshman class statistics because some were arguing that A. Ohio had begun to attract much better students under McDavis' leadership and B. Those strides were somehow linked to athletic spending.  I wanted to point out that those gains don't even exist in the first place much less are somehow being driven by athletics.

I'll have to disagree with you on McDavis though.  I think he's a shameless self-promoter, all talk and little accomplishment.

I also disagree that our freshman statistics are "marginally" lower than Miami.  When our 75th percentile is barely better than Miami's 25th percentile and actually lower than OSU's 25th, that means that maybe 1 in 3 of our freshmen could get into Miami and maybe 1 in 4 into OSU.  At that point, it's not an argument about degrees and semantics.  It's an argument about the fundamental positioning of our university.  At that point, we no longer are a peer institution and competitor for the best and brightest students in Ohio with Miami and OSU.  We are a safety school to them.  That's where McDavis has taken us if you ignore his self-congratulatory speeches and actually dig into the facts. 

I love Ohio, and I wanted to believe when McDavis started talking things up.  Sometimes, however, if you truly love something you also need to take a hard, clear-eyed look at it and address what it's doing wrong and where it needs to improve.  That's where I am at after watching McDavis for nearly a decade.








 
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Posted: 12/27/2013 12:39 PM
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The future of football at this level is going to end soon anyway. The BCS guys are kicking us out. And soon in hoops as well. They'll bring in the Big East for hoops. And then it will be over.


Totally unfounded conspiracy theory. The exact opposite seems to be developing actually. BTW,
Who was that guy on.the grassy knoll anyway?


Acttally not far fetched at all...if you spend anytime on BCS boards they are all trying to decide whether there should be 4 conferences or 5 and if they should be regionally situated to save on travel expense or morph naturally from what they already are.....

I do not know how you can say that the opposite is happening without takinig into account the thousands of posts daily on those boards speculating how the BCS money is to be divided and how to deal with the low majors being spun to a lower level in all sports.

This is out there and plans are in place with movement. The haves and have nots are going in seperate ways.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 12:47 PM
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The importance of football to alumni is an important point to consider. It's likely a major bridge between the school and its former students. I'd be interested to see what non-football schools such as Xavier do, if anything, for Homecoming-like festivities. Do they move it to basketball season, or is just not sport-related?


Xavier does have a "homecoming" weekend, but it's not directly tied to any sport and the activities/festivities aren't that popular around campus IMO. And that's not because they don't have football. I think it's just because their alumni base isn't big and they don't promote it enough. If they did reschedule to coincide with basketball season, I guarantee it would be better. Xavier is one of the few schools out there who can claim athletics built their university to what it is now, and having multiple NCAA tournament runs will do that.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 1:04 PM
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The future of football at this level is going to end soon anyway. The BCS guys are kicking us out. And soon in hoops as well. They'll bring in the Big East for hoops. And then it will be over.


Totally unfounded conspiracy theory. The exact opposite seems to be developing actually. BTW,
Who was that guy on.the grassy knoll anyway?


You're kidding right? What evidence is there to point to the contrary? You should read the Cincinnati Enquirer every so often about UC's dilemma that they are facing. For lack of a better term, they are scared sh*tless that the ACC took Louisville and left them out. Even worse, the Big East dropped football and took the team across town for basketball only. How do you think they feel about that? It's Xavier, not them, getting the big TV deals and signage all over town with the Big East logo. Now they're scrambling to pick up the pieces and try and keep pace with the rest of the lower tier BCS schools. They're renovating Nippert Stadium (which is a lost cause IMO) and just recently built an indoor practice facility. There is also talk of a new basketball arena or renovations to the current, because Fifth Third Arena was horribly designed and not built for big-time basketball.

The cogs are turning for this already and started turning as soon as Utah, Boise State, Hawaii and TCU made (and won some) BCS bowls. The non-AQs got a loophole in the system and exploited it exponentially. If you're a BCS league and someone like that is repeatedly stealing from your wallet, wouldn't you want it to stop too? Could you imagine if Boise State never lost to Nevada, kept a #2 ranking and actually beat an AQ school in a National Championship? No way, we're not letting that happen, we just got lucky that Boise State's kicker decided to not show up that day and miss kicks.

I won't ever forget the conversation I had with a non-AQ school's Athletic Director (who was associated with a school I didn't graduate from). He said this conference realignment is just the tip of the iceberg. In the next 4-5 years, the entire college landscape is going to look vastly different from what it does now. For those schools who have done essentially nothing to prepare for it, they're toast. For those who have made the arrangements, they're either preparing for the better or the worst.

All in all, I think Ohio and the rest of the MAC are fine. They, along with the Sun Belt, have more or less took a stance of not expanding or realigning too much and will benefit in the long run once a second division is created. That stability, albeit very unconventional and not financially sound, will pay huge dividends later on when less money will be spent by the schools to compete. However, schools like UC, UConn and others who have been left out in the cold will be left to wonder why they tried so damn hard to fit in, when in reality they were never invited to the party in the first place.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 1:24 PM
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."  Spock, from The Wrath of Kahn

Hyperbole, you betchya, but it is how institutions continue to thrive...by listening to the needs of the many.
  • Does anyone here see any data supporting the notion that football is headed for a rapid decline?
  • Are the Worldwide Leader/Fox/CBS looking to divest of their NFL properties?
  • Did Nike begrudgingly take over the NFL platform from Reebok, who dropped the NFL like a hot rock because interest in the NFL was plummeting?
  • Is NFL and FBS viewership down dramatically?
  • Are colleges leaving FBS in droves, or are some scrambling to find a home in FBS if they are currently FCS?
  • Will there be fewer bowl games in 2014, or more?
  • Will the MAC have fewer or more bowl slots from 2014-2019?
  • Is the worldwide leader decreasing its investment in FBS football, or looking for more opportunities to increase its investment, say by creating more bowl games for ALL FBS participants?
One piece of scientific data: the number of and attendance at OHIO alumni events held in the last five years have increased dramatically.  The number one event type held, both in number and in attendance: watch parties for OHIO athletics.  And which sport provides the most national broadcast exposure at which alumni chapters and societies nationwide can host such events: FOOTBALL.

During this timing, charitable giving to OHIO has spiked dramatically.  Is there direct causation from alumni event type to event attendance to charitable giving: no.  But it certainly is a leading indicator of alumni engagement in alma mater, and such events provide a tangible connection back to place.

OHIO football is staying right where it is, so everyone just calm down.  These threads come up twice a year: the end of every FB season, and the end of every basketball season (more typically after highly successful seasons) in which some here feel we can/should "make the jump" to a higher profile conference, because in their view hoops creates a higher profile for Ohio University over a calendar year, and hence in their view is the correct investment to make.  Fair opinion that I respect, and for which I have not seen data to support.  Obviously it is one with which I respectfully disagree.

The view of course is held regardless of what that does to the months of August/September/October, when students have returned to campus and many alumni are accustomed to returning to campus for the most spectacular weekends of the year in southeastern Ohio.  I am certain I would rarely return to OHIO in the fall if there were not a football game tied to the trip.

I never return to OHIO solely to attend a basketball game, but I do a couple of weekends a year for football.  My anecdotal data supports more alumni holding my view than for those flying in to Ohio during the bleakness of November 'til March for solely a hoops game.  Average attendance for OHIO football games versus hoops games may lead some to reach a similar conclusion.

Now would I return occasionally if you removed all sports?  Not nearly as much as I do now, that is for certain.  I suspect that also holds for many alumnus, and perhaps some alumnae.

So what is the resultant impact to the people who change the beds in the hotel room that I am not renting.  The waiter/bartender that is not receiving my tips?  The students working in CBS/Follets/etc?  The business owners of these "enterprises".  The planned gift I have established that is prescribed to ICA?  All relevant pieces of data that need to be considered in making such a decision as dropping to FCS, if not dropping football altogether.  

By the way, does everyone know that old guys shouldn't wear jerseys because they look like douche bags?
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Posted: 12/27/2013 1:36 PM
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Guys, JSF is a nice guy and all, but he's made up his mind already. He doesn't like division 1 athletics anymore. It costs too much for him. And the brain injuries inherent in football have turned him off that sport. He's only here to win converts. No disrespect to the guy. He bleeds green. Just division 3 green.


This simply isn't true.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 2:23 PM
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"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."  Spock, from The Wrath of Kahn

Hyperbole, you betchya, but it is how institutions continue to thrive...by listening to the needs of the many.
  • Does anyone here see any data supporting the notion that football is headed for a rapid decline?
  • Are the Worldwide Leader/Fox/CBS looking to divest of their NFL properties?
  • Did Nike begrudgingly take over the NFL platform from Reebok, who dropped the NFL like a hot rock because interest in the NFL was plummeting?
  • Is NFL and FBS viewership down dramatically?
  • Are colleges leaving FBS in droves, or are some scrambling to find a home in FBS if they are currently FCS?
  • Will there be fewer bowl games in 2014, or more?
  • Will the MAC have fewer or more bowl slots from 2014-2019?
  • Is the worldwide leader decreasing its investment in FBS football, or looking for more opportunities to increase its investment, say by creating more bowl games for ALL FBS participants?
One piece of scientific data: the number of and attendance at OHIO alumni events held in the last five years have increased dramatically.  The number one event type held, both in number and in attendance: watch parties for OHIO athletics.  And which sport provides the most national broadcast exposure at which alumni chapters and societies nationwide can host such events: FOOTBALL.

During this timing, charitable giving to OHIO has spiked dramatically.  Is there direct causation from alumni event type to event attendance to charitable giving: no.  But it certainly is a leading indicator of alumni engagement in alma mater, and such events provide a tangible connection back to place.

OHIO football is staying right where it is, so everyone just calm down.  These threads come up twice a year: the end of every FB season, and the end of every basketball season (more typically after highly successful seasons) in which some here feel we can/should "make the jump" to a higher profile conference, because in their view hoops creates a higher profile for Ohio University over a calendar year, and hence in their view is the correct investment to make.  Fair opinion that I respect, and for which I have not seen data to support.  Obviously it is one with which I respectfully disagree.

The view of course is held regardless of what that does to the months of August/September/October, when students have returned to campus and many alumni are accustomed to returning to campus for the most spectacular weekends of the year in southeastern Ohio.  I am certain I would rarely return to OHIO in the fall if there were not a football game tied to the trip.

I never return to OHIO solely to attend a basketball game, but I do a couple of weekends a year for football.  My anecdotal data supports more alumni holding my view than for those flying in to Ohio during the bleakness of November 'til March for solely a hoops game.  Average attendance for OHIO football games versus hoops games may lead some to reach a similar conclusion.

Now would I return occasionally if you removed all sports?  Not nearly as much as I do now, that is for certain.  I suspect that also holds for many alumnus, and perhaps some alumnae.

So what is the resultant impact to the people who change the beds in the hotel room that I am not renting.  The waiter/bartender that is not receiving my tips?  The students working in CBS/Follets/etc?  The business owners of these "enterprises".  The planned gift I have established that is prescribed to ICA?  All relevant pieces of data that need to be considered in making such a decision as dropping to FCS, if not dropping football altogether.  

By the way, does everyone know that old guys shouldn't wear jerseys because they look like douche bags?


I wouldn't mind seeing some anecdotal evidence that watch parties are higher for football than basketball. My gut tells me this is the opposite, but you know a lot more about this than me. I do agree that more alumni are more likely to come back to Athens for football and probably do.

Comparing attendance between the two is hard, simply because the size of the Convo and Peden aren't the same and the basketball team plays more games. If you want use percentages on things like that, I guess it would be somewhat significant in a statistical sense, but I think that's comparing apples to oranges.

I know I try to make it back for both, not just one or the other.

And yes, old guys who wear jerseys are douche bags. Unless their son/daughter is playing in the game. Then it's acceptable.
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And yes, old guys who wear jerseys are douche bags. Unless their son/daughter is playing in the game. Then it's acceptable.


And to date... I have never felt comfy wearing anything with my kid's name or number on it . I have never been able to figure out why parents do that. I saw a pic the other night on another board of a guy who returned to the midwest from Cali and broke out an old jersey he wore a decade and a half ago as a student to attend the game that night. I felt so sorry for him. You are all grown up now little man. Give it up.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 6:22 PM
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The future of football at this level is going to end soon anyway. The BCS guys are kicking us out. And soon in hoops as well. They'll bring in the Big East for hoops. And then it will be over.


Totally unfounded conspiracy theory. The exact opposite seems to be developing actually. BTW,
Who was that guy on.the grassy knoll anyway?


Acttally not far fetched at all...if you spend anytime on BCS boards they are all trying to decide whether there should be 4 conferences or 5 and if they should be regionally situated to save on travel expense or morph naturally from what they already are.....

I do not know how you can say that the opposite is happening without takinig into account the thousands of posts daily on those boards speculating how the BCS money is to be divided and how to deal with the low majors being spun to a lower level in all sports.

This is out there and plans are in place with movement. The haves and have nots are going in seperate ways.


borna, you usually are much smarter than this.  Chatter on boards means virtually nothing.  Take a look, instead, at what is actually happening with the proposed distribution of the money from the new playoff system.  OHIO and the MAC will be getting a good deal more than they ever have.  I've mentioned in other posts the complicated reasons for this.  As is the case with in our national capital the "chatting class" often has no idea what they are talking about.  This is even more true when it's sports board chatterers.  
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Posted: 12/27/2013 11:41 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing some anecdotal evidence that watch parties are higher for football than basketball. My gut tells me this is the opposite, but you know a lot more about this than me.


I'm inclined to believe football gets bigger watch parties with the exception of the NCAA tournament.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:39 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing some anecdotal evidence that watch parties are higher for football than basketball. My gut tells me this is the opposite, but you know a lot more about this than me.


I'm inclined to believe football gets bigger watch parties with the exception of the NCAA tournament.



I actually have no idea if the average attendance for FB V BB watch parties show a difference, and I didn't claim they did.  I stated that attendance at athletics watch parties outnumber attendance at events that are not athletics watch parties, and that there are more opportunities to host OHIO FB watch parties on a national basis than BB.

 
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:47 PM
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T.... It's likely a major bridge between the school and its former students. ...

It's also a major bridge between town and gown. Someone here estimated that on Football Saturdays an extra $1m flows into the Athens business community. If true, that far exceeds the amount the university subsidizes football.
there aren't too many football Saturdays in a season, so even if the Million was close to a real number, it doesn't come close to what the university through student fees subsidizes football.
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