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Posted: 6/8/2014 1:19 PM
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At my high school, sports were required. It was considered an important part of the educational process. You didn't have to be good, but you had to do something. I think that you'd improve test scores more with healthy bodies than with more time in classrooms. Sports should not be for just the top athletes. Health is important for everyone.


It is, but that's why physical education should be compulsory. Sports should not be. I don't like schools dictating what people can do in their free time, and it's a pretty inconsiderate imposition to people who are moderately-to-extremely introverted. You're probably causing them undue stress.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 4:43 PM
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Robert you're in over your head on this one.  it is not available to everyone.  A good friend of mine coaches club volleyball in Texas.  VB clubs generally start with 11 and 12 year olds.  To play in her club you're looking at $6,000.  That is not available to everyone.   As for other options, sure you can go to Athens City Rec and play bump ball.  

As for AAU, it's become a money machine for quite a few people. 



If I'm in over my head, you'll have to give me another example as to how. I will admit, however, I know nothing about volleyball clubs or what they cost. I strongly suspect you can play club volleyball for far less than $6k. I KNOW you can play club basketball and soccer for far less than that. 

You're throwing the highest figure you can find at me to prove your point, when you and I both know your example is not typical. And, your ignoring my point about "scholarships," which I believe most clubs offer. 

Bottom line is this: Is it expensive to play club sports? Yes. On that we both agree.
Is it exclusionary? No more so than the cost of a Mercedes Benz is exclusionary. I'm not sure what you want here?For it to be free? For society at large to pay for it and permit no entrance requirements?

I feel like I'm arguing with idealism.
 


I think that like most things, you have two sides to the cost coin with club sports. I have heard stories of VERY expensive clubs in soccer. I have also heard stories of reasonably priced clubs, even charitable. I don't think the club system offers a huge positive or negative in either direction.

Last summer I went to a coaching clinic to gain my license to coach soccer. The clinic was actually located at one of these club associations that agreed to let the clinic use their fields so their coaches (many former football players coaching their kids teams) wouldn't have to drive too far to take the coaching class.

The club was actually an old ethnic club for migrants into the country as a social gathering area that had picked up soccer on the side and it had grown from there... This club was really the only of its kind for a wide area (football country) and the discussion eventually turned to growing soccer in the area.

Beyond losing their kids to other sports (mainly football), the number one issue raised was cost. The club drew from a wide area, but the club itself was located in a pretty depressed area. The coaches said the club had scholarships for kids to play and the fees for playing they listed were pretty reasonable IMO (I estimated it pretty much covered referee costs, field upkeep, league fees etc) and all of these coaches were volunteers but cost was still an issue.
I have also seen the flip side of the coin in up in a bigger city where I am. The best clubs have better coaches (like the guy running the coaching clinic) who actually had playing experience and weren't former football players who had limited knowledge of the game. Some of the pricier clubs were bringing in pro players for clinics and such and while insanely expensive, I have seen a lot of alumni from these soccer programs go on to earn college scholarships to play helping recoup some of the parents investments.





PS, anyone read "Play Their Hearts Out" which is a story detailing the nasty side of AAU basketball? Worth the read if you are interested in the AAU system or youth sports in this country.  *Bonus, DJ Cooper cameo* I've debated started a thread about this book in the basketball board before just to discuss the DJ reference. 
 
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:45 AM
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At my high school, sports were required. It was considered an important part of the educational process. You didn't have to be good, but you had to do something. I think that you'd improve test scores more with healthy bodies than with more time in classrooms. Sports should not be for just the top athletes. Health is important for everyone.

It is, but that's why physical education should be compulsory. Sports should not be. I don't like schools dictating what people can do in their free time, and it's a pretty inconsiderate imposition to people who are moderately-to-extremely introverted. You're probably causing them undue stress.

We didn't have PE. We had the sports requirement instead, but note that it didn't have to be at the varsity or JV level; there were "club" sports, too, (which was what we called intramurals, and not to be confused with the types of club sports being discussed by others on this thread). With everyone participating, there were a very wide variety of sports, including a wide diversity of both team oriented ones like football, water polo, hockey, or lacrosse, and more individual ones like golf, tennis, or cross country.

There were certainly places where introverts could find a home. I think they were more comfortable in this environment than they would have been with a PE requirement. In PE you are around many people, and have to participate in a broad range of activities, many involving other people, and many that a non-athlete might struggle at. With our sports requirement, you could find some sport you felt comfortable at, and enjoyed, and focus solely on that one.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 1:38 PM
Question: Did you have to play a different sport in all three seasons? Or could you play one and train in it year-round?
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Posted: 6/9/2014 2:54 PM
It was generally 3 different sports a year, and they were offered seasonally. Different sports could be related, though. For example, most of the swim team played water polo in the fall, then swam in the winter. I think some sports were offered in more than one season. I believe there was tennis in the spring and fall, and I think a lot of the tennis players opted for Squash in the winter. Squash is better for tennis than racquetball as you don't cut the ball.

On the whole I thought it worked pretty well. I never heard of anyone complaining that they couldn't find a sport they could live with. Remember, though, those were the days before even calculators (though we had some nifty slide rules), much less PCs and cell phones, so most everyone was outside doing stuff anyway. (Oops, I think I just dated myself).
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Posted: 6/9/2014 7:43 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
At my high school, sports were required. It was considered an important part of the educational process. You didn't have to be good, but you had to do something. I think that you'd improve test scores more with healthy bodies than with more time in classrooms. Sports should not be for just the top athletes. Health is important for everyone.


It is, but that's why physical education should be compulsory. Sports should not be. I don't like schools dictating what people can do in their free time, and it's a pretty inconsiderate imposition to people who are moderately-to-extremely introverted. You're probably causing them undue stress.

A few years back, the USAFA required every student to participate in a sport at the varsity or club level. I think they had 34 or so varsity sports, and almost all students there played sports in high school. Team building was one of the main objectives, I think. Not the same as many other places, they own you 24-7.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 9:11 PM
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It was generally 3 different sports a year, and they were offered seasonally. Different sports could be related, though. For example, most of the swim team played water polo in the fall, then swam in the winter. I think some sports were offered in more than one season. I believe there was tennis in the spring and fall, and I think a lot of the tennis players opted for Squash in the winter. Squash is better for tennis than racquetball as you don't cut the ball.

On the whole I thought it worked pretty well. I never heard of anyone complaining that they couldn't find a sport they could live with. Remember, though, those were the days before even calculators (though we had some nifty slide rules), much less PCs and cell phones, so most everyone was outside doing stuff anyway. (Oops, I think I just dated myself).


Where did you go to high school and when did you graduate?
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Posted: 6/9/2014 11:09 PM
It was in New Hampshire, and 1973.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:05 AM
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It was in New Hampshire, and 1973.


Now your comments make perfect sence - that was a long time ago before schools starting dropping physical education, art, and music and New Hampshire year in and year out is one of the healthiest states in America.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:05 AM
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...that was a long time ago ...

Hush, now, you.
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