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Andrew Ruck
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Posted: 5/28/2014 9:09 AM
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We've discussed over the last few years the recurit rankings.  If Joey played at a Moeller, St. X, Canton McKinley, he'd be a 5 Star QB without a doubt.  Kids from lesser programs have to earn every star they receive, there are no bonus stars to area guys.  I've seen Swick, McMillen and several others who could not make it, he possess more skill and athleticism than any of them.

That is your personal opinion which I respect, but I assure you the same was said from local residents of the hometown of Zwick, Guiton, and the numerous other OSU QB recruits who never got a shot said the exact same stuff.  And if I attended every Athens HS football game as you probably, I would probably sound just like you.  I am not saying I expect him to not get a shot, but you're naive to think there isn't a chance he won't, or at least won't until his Junior year.  And if it were me, I would be uncomfortable with that enough to consider other opportunities.

Here is a great article for the discussion - https://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1571585
 
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I have to disagree with you on this one, LC. The hatred for OSU on this web site goes way beyond the naming issue. That issue may have made matters worse, but in my opinion, it has served mostly as a relatively recent, tangible excuse for hating OSU. Take that issue away, and the same folks would continue hating OSU.

I think the hatred is more about the legions of OSU fans and the treatment of the Buckeyes as some sort of quasi-professional team. 

To some degree, it's probably natural. I know I don't like Notre Dame or the Dallas Cowboys or the Pittsburgh Steelers precisely because "everyone" likes them.

Conversely I think there are some that, prior to the naming issue never cared one way or the other about OSU. I'd certainly agree that there are many reasons other than just the naming issue. I just don't think having an "inferiority complex" is a major one for the dislike of OSU.

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The young man has every right to make the choice that best suits his personal goals.  If he thinks that's OSU, so be it.  I hope he has a good career there.

Of course he has that right. Now Ohio needs to move on, and land a good QB in this recruiting class. With Burrow out of the picture, there are several good ones Ohio is recruiting.
 
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We've discussed over the last few years the recurit rankings.  If Joey played at a Moeller, St. X, Canton McKinley, he'd be a 5 Star QB without a doubt.  Kids from lesser programs have to earn every star they receive, there are no bonus stars to area guys.  I've seen Swick, McMillen and several others who could not make it, he possess more skill and athleticism than any of them.

That is your personal opinion which I respect, but I assure you the same was said from local residents of the hometown of Zwick, Guiton, and the numerous other OSU QB recruits who never got a shot said the exact same stuff.  And if I attended every Athens HS football game as you probably, I would probably sound just like you.  I am not saying I expect him to not get a shot, but you're naive to think there isn't a chance he won't, or at least won't until his Junior year.  And if it were me, I would be uncomfortable with that enough to consider other opportunities.

Here is a great article for the discussion - https://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1571585
 

I'd say there's a good possibility he's underrated because of where he goes to school. Ohio State must think so to have offered him a scholarship at all. Ohio State doesn't have to take many guys rated as three stars. But even if he's better than he's rated, there's always a possibility that Ohio State gets the top QB in the country next year and Burrow never gets a chance to play. That's a chance guys take when they sign with Ohio State in a situation like this. Of course, they could do that, and it might turn out Burrow is better. But you can't blame him for wanting a chance to win a national championship. That's something realistically he'd never have at Ohio. Plus, you have to consider that maybe there are some academic reasons for his choice. I don't know what he's studying, but Ohio State offers tons of programs you can't get very many other places. There could be other non-football reasons, too. It's OK to be disappointed for Ohio that he didn't pick the Bobcats, but there's no reason to hold it against Burrow.
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Braxton Miller will be gone at the end of this season, so unless Meyer finds another Heisman candidate out there, the QB job at O$U should be wide open next year.  If I were 17 and had an opportunity to show everybody what I could do on the big stage, I'd probably take it too.  He can always transfer if it doesn't work out.  I'm disappointed he didn't stay home but I really can't blame him.
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We've discussed over the last few years the recurit rankings.  If Joey played at a Moeller, St. X, Canton McKinley, he'd be a 5 Star QB without a doubt.  Kids from lesser programs have to earn every star they receive, there are no bonus stars to area guys.  I've seen Swick, McMillen and several others who could not make it, he possess more skill and athleticism than any of them.

That is your personal opinion which I respect, but I assure you the same was said from local residents of the hometown of Zwick, Guiton, and the numerous other OSU QB recruits who never got a shot said the exact same stuff.  And if I attended every Athens HS football game as you probably, I would probably sound just like you.  I am not saying I expect him to not get a shot, but you're naive to think there isn't a chance he won't, or at least won't until his Junior year.  And if it were me, I would be uncomfortable with that enough to consider other opportunities.

Here is a great article for the discussion - https://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1571585
 

Will be interesting to check his "rankings" at the end of June, the OSU committment (and offer) will give him a bump.  I suspect his performance at Elite 11 will also help bump him.  Will he be the starter?  Who knows, but he will get the opportunity to battle for that position, and I'd expect earlier than later.  He is a real student of the game, and has lots of freedoms in the offense he currently runs to make reads, checkdowns and in changing the play.  He's far superior in the mental game than any High School player I've ever watched.  

As for seeing every game, I only saw one last year, play-off versus Tri-Valley, but I have watched extensive film of everyone of the guys I mentioned.

 
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Braxton Miller will be gone at the end of this season, so unless Meyer finds another Heisman candidate out there, the QB job at O$U should be wide open next year.  If I were 17 and had an opportunity to show everybody what I could do on the big stage, I'd probably take it too.  He can always transfer if it doesn't work out.  I'm disappointed he didn't stay home but I really can't blame him.


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Good luck to him. I find it ironic that many who complain about people who leave Athens for better opportunities have left Athens for better opportunities (not you 71).


I don't really see the connection. There are extremely few jobs for college grads in Athens. It's not leaving for better opportunities...there's just no opportunities to begin with.

Those of us that do live here and consider it home love it. And I've worked with a number of people who have had good opportunities but chose to stay and enjoy the quality of life we have. For some, it's not about the money or recognition. Perhaps Saul Phillips is in the same mold as me, time will tell.

I love Athens as well and would really enjoy living and working there. Unfortunately, the opportunities I wanted were not there for me and I moved on to where I could do better for myself and ultimately my family. I don't begrudge anyone who leaves Athens to do the same. And I admire those that can and do stay in Athens.

 
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Who needs Burrow when you've got Joey Duckworth?

Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack...

Gordon, stop quacking!
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I'm sorta shocked he picked the Bucks.  IMO, he's their insurance policy in case they don't land Torrance Gibson, who is and has been their #1 priority at QB from day one for this class.  (Rumor has it that Joey signing with OSU has soured Gibson on the Bucks, which is best case scenario for Burrows.)

Joey's window at OSU will be narrow.  They already have JT Barrett, who is probably the odds on favorite to start next season, and if he lands the job, it's likely his for 3 years as he's only a redshirt freshman this season.  Then in 2017, they already have Danny Clark, who is only the first freshman in history to start for Massillon.  Those here who think he may not see much of the field are completely on point.

If you actually thought he was gonna stay in Athens, I would highly recommend you start attending meetings...
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I hope this isn't wrong to point out, but what happens if he gets to Columbus and figures out he's never going to be the starting QB? I don't think this rules him out from eventually putting on a Bobcats jersey. 

If he somehow becomes the OSU starter, great. If not, I'd still welcome him back to Athens. 

 
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If you actually thought he was gonna stay in Athens, I would highly recommend you start attending meetings...

Boy, I am SHOCKED you have this viewpoint.
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don't hate the player, hate the game. Burrow wants to play for championships and the FBS, being the corrupt stinkhole that it is, only lets a few teams do that and Ohio State is one of those few. Good for him.

Now we all know that part of the reason FBS is the unfair, rigged system we all know and loath is because of the direct influence of that school in Columbus. This is why schools like Ohio State are desperate to keep an unfair advantage over their instate rivals- with all things being equal Ohio State would not be the top choice for a lot of players. But all things aren't equal.

Ohio State sucks. Big time. Always have, always will. Having a local kid give people another reason to root for that god awful excuse for a university is not ideal, but its influence will be negligible.

Bottom line- Ohio State is the worst. They suck. I hate them. But OUr coach's kid is excited to be playing there so I'm excited for him. Best of luck to him at that awful, awful, school.
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Let me be clear... I don't hate Joey Burrow at all. But he's not a Bobcat, so I sure as hell don't have to care, and I'm sure as hell not going to pat him on the back on his way out of town for taking the sheepish route. 

Now that he's chosen to play for a program I hate, I have no choice but to root for him to fail. I hope that if he ever does see the field, every single pass he throws is an interception returned for a touchdown. That's how I feel about braxton miller or any osu qb. Burrow will be no different. If he had any guts, he'd be a Bobcat. Instead of earning glory, he wants it thrust upon him in a place where they worship a uniform before achievement. That doesn't mean he won't achieve anything, or even amazing things. Tyler Tettleton, who was a decent system quarterback with a significant amount of moxy, got us to a BCS ranking for two glorious weeks in 2012. What could a kid with Burrow's credentials have done?
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" If he had any gut's he'd be a Bobcat ?"  Really ? If he signed with the Cat's I think it's safe to say he starts at some point his freshman year if not from game 1 . Instead he is going to have to compete like heck to see a handfull of snaps early in his career . I think that's showing guts . As for the remark about " Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of Athens." Really ? You don't think the overwhelming majority of Athens countians aren't rooting for him ? Your wrong if that's what you think .
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"Hate" and hoping to see someone fail 100% of the time, seem very similar to me.
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" If he had any gut's he'd be a Bobcat ?"  Really ? If he signed with the Cat's I think it's safe to say he starts at some point his freshman year if not from game 1 . Instead he is going to have to compete like heck to see a handfull of snaps early in his career . I think that's showing guts . As for the remark about " Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of Athens." Really ? You don't think the overwhelming majority of Athens countians aren't rooting for him ? Your wrong if that's what you think .


At no point did I presume or speculate about anyone else's thoughts. Those were just my thoughts. A. He's not a Bobcat, so I don't care. B. He's a buckeye, so I hope he loses.
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Why??!! Anywhere else!  I knew it was a longshot for OHIO, but why osu??  Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of Athens.


Hopefully the kid doesn't read this kind of stuff, in case...you know...in a few years and he's not seeing the field and wants to transfer. 

Have to wish the kid best of luck.  I personally can't blame him for taking advantage of the opportunity presented to him.  I am from the area and I can't remember the last time a local kid went to a powerhouse football school.  Granted the obvious, Burrow is not from this area originally.  The closest thing is I believe another former Athens QB (Gregory?) went to Indiana for a while, but they are hardly a powerhouse.
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I too, am really, really surprised by some of the anger spewed towards young Mr. Burrow.   I am thankful that none of the decisions I made when I was a teenager were scrutinized by John Q. Public like Mr. Burrow's are being done right now.

As a general rule, I root for Ohio to succeed, and not for others to fail.  While I am not a fan of the school in Columbus, I don't actively root for negative things to happen to that program, and especially to the young adults who are trying to succeed as a member of their athletic teams.  Do I want to kick their ass when we play them?  Of course, but that's because I want us to succeed more than I want them to lose.  Ohio State's wins and losses have no effect on my support for Ohio University, nor do I think they have an impact on the overall success/failure of Ohio's athletic programs. 

I hope the people in Athens support his decision.  He deserves it. 

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Thought he might get a "home state" offer, despite other elite programs not offering, but thought he would pass for a better fit.  Can't blame the kid for grabbing at his golden ring, but agree with Oz that it may be an insurance play by the Buckeyes.  Regardless, good luck to him - he deserves what he can get.

interesting scenario - he red-shirts next year, sits for a year or two after.  Three years from now, Frank retires - perhaps Dad get's job and he comes back to team with him....about the only reason I would see him returning.  Otherwise, if he transfers out, it won't be to come back to Athens.
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Congratulations and Good Luck to Joey! 
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James could've been an absolute icon.  Anyone could ride Wade's coattails to a title in Miami, be just another fine but moneymefirst player.

Same here missed opportunity.


Too bad Lebron took less money to go to Miami.

Too bad Burrow still has a shot to be an icon.

I have no idea what this means.  Can someone explain it to me?  You don't appear to understand the meaning of words.



See ARuck's post near the end of the 2nd page of this thread.  He gets it.  I tend to agree with most of DFC's post above, also.  I won't root for the young man to have little success at columbus.  But if he does it won't bother me a lick.

An icon is this:  Someone revered for playing in their backyard even if so-called better opportunities are available.  Someone who puts loyalty to the home supporters as a high priority.

As others have said, Burrow could be terrific but never see much field time in columbus.  How 'bout this, though?:  If he's that good, he stays in Athens and attracts top notch talent to team with him...leading THE OHIO FOOTBALL BOBCATS to new modern era heights of glory.


fillinthename ofahighlytoutedqb who enrolled at columbus here....and you have just another guy.  Not revered, not icon.





 
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I've have but one terse comment: He's no Todd Snyder.

(Explanation: Woody Hayes tried to interest Todd in OSU and he told him in no uncertain terms that he was going to Ohio.) 
 
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I've have but one terse comment: He's no Todd Snyder.

(Explanation: Woody Hayes tried to interest Todd in OSU and he told him in no uncertain terms that he was going to Ohio.) Afrikaans Albanian Arabic Armenian Azerbaijani Basque Belarusian Bulgarian Catalan Chinese (Simplified) Chinese (Traditional) Croatian Czech Danish Detect language Dutch English Estonian Filipino Finnish French Galician Georgian German Greek Haitian Creole Hebrew Hindi Hungarian Icelandic Indonesian Irish Italian Japanese Korean Latin Latvian Lithuanian Macedonian Malay Maltese Norwegian Persian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Slovenian Spanish Swahili Swedish Thai Turkish Ukrainian Urdu Vietnamese Welsh Yiddish ⇄ Afrikaans Albanian Arabic Armenian Azerbaijani Basque Belarusian Bulgarian Catalan Chinese (Simplified) Chinese (Traditional) Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Estonian Filipino Finnish French Galician Georgian German Greek Haitian Creole Hebrew Hindi Hungarian Icelandic Indonesian Irish Italian Japanese Korean Latin Latvian Lithuanian Macedonian Malay Maltese Norwegian Persian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Slovenian Spanish Swahili Swedish Thai Turkish Ukrainian Urdu Vietnamese Welsh Yiddish English (auto-detected) » Hungarian
And Woody threw the ball twice a game. It's a different game today, and a different TimE in general. It would help you to get on with the show. And if you want to tout local kids, we let the most successful local ever come right out of our backyard and lead Toledo to more greatness than Cleve and Todd ever did.
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My priorities if I were an Elite 11 QB would be, in this order:

1) Proximity to Pacific Ocean beach

2) The school has a football team

This is why I would be a terrible leader of a football team.
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I've have but one terse comment: He's no Todd Snyder.

(Explanation: Woody Hayes tried to interest Todd in OSU and he told him in no uncertain terms that he was going to Ohio.) Afrikaans Albanian Arabic Armenian Azerbaijani Basque Belarusian Bulgarian Catalan Chinese (Simplified) Chinese (Traditional) Croatian Czech Danish Detect language Dutch English Estonian Filipino Finnish French Galician Georgian German Greek Haitian Creole Hebrew Hindi Hungarian Icelandic Indonesian Irish Italian Japanese Korean Latin Latvian Lithuanian Macedonian Malay Maltese Norwegian Persian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Slovenian Spanish Swahili Swedish Thai Turkish Ukrainian Urdu Vietnamese Welsh Yiddish ⇄ Afrikaans Albanian Arabic Armenian Azerbaijani Basque Belarusian Bulgarian Catalan Chinese (Simplified) Chinese (Traditional) Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Estonian Filipino Finnish French Galician Georgian German Greek Haitian Creole Hebrew Hindi Hungarian Icelandic Indonesian Irish Italian Japanese Korean Latin Latvian Lithuanian Macedonian Malay Maltese Norwegian Persian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Slovenian Spanish Swahili Swedish Thai Turkish Ukrainian Urdu Vietnamese Welsh Yiddish English (auto-detected) » Hungarian


And Woody threw the ball twice a game. It's a different game today, and a different TimE in general. It would help you to get on with the show. And if you want to tout local kids, we let the most successful local ever come right out of our backyard and lead Toledo to more greatness than Cleve and Todd ever did.


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