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Posted: 9/14/2014 6:14 PM
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Selective facts or argument don't work. And the burden of proof is, by a presumption, allocated to the stupd cow who come here unable to be reasonably objective (and those of that ilk are vociferous here).
No. Selective facts are not the issue. Ohio fans claim we cheat to win.

Sorry, but the burden if proof is ALWAYS on the person making the claim. This holds true for scientific and philosophical reasoning. You claimed we cheated in some conspiracy--prove it.

As I am a stupid cow, i would assume you would have better command of reasoning. Poor little kittie!
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Posted: 9/14/2014 7:09 PM
How many MAC titles did Marshall win that was not involved in some sort of NCAA violations! There is NO conjecture there!
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Posted: 9/14/2014 7:14 PM
MARSHALL wrote:expand_more
Selective facts or argument don't work. And the burden of proof is, by a presumption, allocated to the stupd cow who come here unable to be reasonably objective (and those of that ilk are vociferous here).
No. Selective facts are not the issue. Ohio fans claim we cheat to win.

Sorry, but the burden if proof is ALWAYS on the person making the claim. This holds true for scientific and philosophical reasoning. You claimed we cheated in some conspiracy--prove it.

As I am a stupid cow, i would assume you would have better command of reasoning. Poor little kittie!
This has nothing to do with Saturday as Marshall was clearly the better football team, but are you seriously trying to say Marshall hasn't been caught cheating before? There's literally been a book written about it, and that only covers one era. It's on Amazon if you want to read up about it.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 9:33 PM
*sigh** Ok, clearly you're easily confused, and I honestly didn't think I would need to educate a Marshall fan on recent Marshall football history, but maybe I do. Let's break it down real simple like for you:

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No. Selective facts are not the issue. Ohio fans claim we cheat to win.

Sorry, but the burden if proof is ALWAYS on the person making the claim. This holds true for scientific and philosophical reasoning. You claimed we cheated in some conspiracy--prove it.
In December 2001, Marshall University's football program was placed on probation by the NCAA and stripped of 5 scholarships over three years. The primary driver of the probation was a "jobs for props" program of no-show jobs, primarily sponsored by local businessman Marshall Reynolds.

Mr. Reynolds continues to this day to be one of Marshall University's most influential athletics boosters. It seems to me, and any other objective observer (that is, anyone outside of the "WHO'S GOT A HERD ON? I GOT A HERD ON!" bubble) that if a program wanted to remove any doubt of its innocence with regards to prop players, etc., it would completely disassociate itself from a booster who previously led the program into NCAA sanctions. Since Marshall has failed to do that, I think it is very reasonable to be suspicious.

That is called "burden shifting." The concept you're looking for is not "burden of proof." It's "burden of presentation."

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You know the students get these privileges. Why not act? With this inside information, you should immediately report.
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Additionally, your Abscence of evidence may be appropriate if I had made the accusation. As you may not be aware, the burden of proof falls upon the accuser, not the accused.
The people on this board are not Marshall University institutional compliance officers. We do not have access to the information necessary to put forth a reportable claim.

But once upon a time, this guy did:
http://aspnet.cob.ohio.edu/isms/cobProfile.aspx?ridpath

And what he found was that that whole Marshall football run of 1997-2001...the one where you dominated the MAC...was fraudulent based on the previously mentioned "jobs for props" programs.

Just because we do not have the evidence does not mean the evidence is not there. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


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Using all caps generally makes you appear immature.
Yet you did such in your very next post. Also, you are apparently unable of discerning mockery from actual factual communication.

Another thing that generally makes one appear immature: showing up on an opposing team's message board after a football game to track down an opposing team's fan and lecture him regarding a post he made weeks prior on a different message board.

Aside: isn't it somewhat ironic that you defend your Marshall University education by having to cite to your MBA from Ohio State?


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Finally, reminiscing over the past is nostalgic, yet it doesn't help with the results of the present.
Seeing as you see 2011 as ancient history, worth remembering as nothing but nostalgia, I eagerly await your denouncement of your fellow Terdites' thumping their chests about all Marshall's victories over Ohio in years prior to 2011.


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Do yourself a favor and follow Gollum's advice.
http://youtu.be/WuDwUnhwPAk
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Posted: 9/15/2014 10:16 AM
Okay, I understand. We were under sanctions before, and we beat you. We beat you this year, so we are cheating. I will await the explosive evidence surely forthcoming from Ohio to unveil this scandal. It's pathetic. We were simply the better team this year. I am aware of history, but Marshall is not committing any violations--TODAY.

I know it's great to talk about your wins 70 years ago. You may also want to revel in scandals from the past, but it offers no proof for allegations you make today. Good luck on your Access Bowl spot. I am sure one of your teams from 1950 will get the bid. Poor, poor kittie.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 11:38 AM
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Okay, I understand. We were under sanctions before, and we beat you. We beat you this year, so we are cheating. I will await the explosive evidence surely forthcoming from Ohio to unveil this scandal. It's pathetic. We were simply the better team this year. I am aware of history, but Marshall is not committing any violations--TODAY.

I know it's great to talk about your wins 70 years ago. You may also want to revel in scandals from the past, but it offers no proof for allegations you make today. Good luck on your Access Bowl spot. I am sure one of your teams from 1950 will get the bid. Poor, poor kittie.
Are you cheating? Probably, and I'm sure in 3-5 years we will have our answer. And while you are at it, can you please either get your QB a speech pathologist, or an interpreter. Listening to him speak is painful!
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Posted: 9/15/2014 11:42 AM
Since when did OU/Marshall rivalry take on such a juvenile, venomous feel?

Ohio is far better than our game displayed, our guys let off 3 years of frustration.

Bobcats players never quit the fight, even when it was out of hand.

For the record, only 15 props are on the MU roster, and I think some of you need educated as to what being a prop is. Thought OU fans would be more supportive of underdogs.

Solich is a heck of a coach, and hopefully you all realize that even after a tough loss.

I see you all still 8-4 by seasons end. Nothing to be ashamed of in a rebuild year.

Good luck, and hope the bashing stops as this Herd fan has nothing but respect for Ohio.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 5:28 PM
That's a fair, reasonable, rational post. Unfortunately, there are some herd who come here and flame. They refuse to engage in any reasonable logical manner. So, we give them what they deserve.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 11:03 PM
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Since when did OU/Marshall rivalry take on such a juvenile, venomous feel?

Ohio is far better than our game displayed, our guys let off 3 years of frustration.

Bobcats players never quit the fight, even when it was out of hand.

For the record, only 15 props are on the MU roster, and I think some of you need educated as to what being a prop is. Thought OU fans would be more supportive of underdogs.

Solich is a heck of a coach, and hopefully you all realize that even after a tough loss.

I see you all still 8-4 by seasons end. Nothing to be ashamed of in a rebuild year.

Good luck, and hope the bashing stops as this Herd fan has nothing but respect for Ohio.
+1 Great post . . . I hope that Marshall goes undefeated and makes the Access Bowl. Go Marshall! Go Ohio! (However, next year in Athens is payback time.)
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Posted: 9/15/2014 11:09 PM
Boxscore oddity-

2014- Cato throws an interception in the 4th quarter. It was his final play of the game.
2013- Cato throws an interception in the 4th quarter. It allowed Ohio to seal the victory.
2012- Cato throws an interception in the 4th quarter. It was his final play of the game. It allowed Ohio to seal the victory.
2011- Cato doesn't play in the 4th quarter. But his 4 interceptions in the first half sealed the victory for Ohio.

That's what you call progress.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:36 PM
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Okay, I understand. We were under sanctions before, and we beat you. We beat you this year, so we are cheating. I will await the explosive evidence surely forthcoming from Ohio to unveil this scandal. It's pathetic. We were simply the better team this year. I am aware of history, but Marshall is not committing any violations--TODAY.

I know it's great to talk about your wins 70 years ago. You may also want to revel in scandals from the past, but it offers no proof for allegations you make today. Good luck on your Access Bowl spot. I am sure one of your teams from 1950 will get the bid. Poor, poor kittie.
Are you cheating? Probably, and I'm sure in 3-5 years we will have our answer. And while you are at it, can you please either get your QB a speech pathologist, or an interpreter. Listening to him speak is painful!
C'mon man that's not cool at all. Cato is a good kid and has overcome extreme odds to be where he is today. Watch this and you will understand where I'm coming from.

http://video.app.msn.com/watch/video/miami-central-high-s...
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