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Posted: 9/18/2014 4:30 PM
Seems like a pretty fair response to me....Liqour control is a joke. The way undercovers conduct business around town is borderline criminal. There should be much more public outcry over how state funds are used for a task force that oversteps their boundaries.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 4:39 PM
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Seems like a pretty fair response to me....Liqour control is a joke. The way undercovers conduct business around town is borderline criminal. There should be much more public outcry over how state funds are used for a task force that oversteps their boundaries.
Sure they do, but they probably wouldn't even show up in columbus on gameday for fear of tipping the sacred cow.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:13 PM
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Seems like a pretty fair response to me....Liqour control is a joke. The way undercovers conduct business around town is borderline criminal. There should be much more public outcry over how state funds are used for a task force that oversteps their boundaries.
Sure they do, but they probably wouldn't even show up in columbus on gameday for fear of tipping the sacred cow.
Can someone FOIA the records for liquor control stats for Athens vs. Kent, Akron, Columbus, Oxford, Bowling Green, etc.? Would love to see if the same efforts were applied everywhere else or if Athens is profiled because it is "easy money".
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:29 PM
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Seems like a pretty fair response to me....Liqour control is a joke. The way undercovers conduct business around town is borderline criminal. There should be much more public outcry over how state funds are used for a task force that oversteps their boundaries.
Sure they do, but they probably wouldn't even show up in columbus on gameday for fear of tipping the sacred cow.
Can someone FOIA the records for liquor control stats for Athens vs. Kent, Akron, Columbus, Oxford, Bowling Green, etc.? Would love to see if the same efforts were applied everywhere else or if Athens is profiled because it is "easy money".
Anyone can do that so give it a try and let us know what you find out.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:36 PM
So, I called the athletics department today to see what they had to say. I got a call about 30 minutes ago. Essentially it's business as usual except for what has been noted above by the member of the ticket office. If you're tailgating on your own, just be responsible and play the game and go the cup route. It's not like everyone does know what you have in that cup anyway. It reminds me of this old Arlo Guthrie song when he asks of Santa Claus - "what's in the pipe that's he's smoking?" The first 5 minutes are pretty good comedy routine, the last 3 minutes are the song. I'd listen to it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKwv3YrL4U0
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:02 PM
Motion to end every discussion via Arlo Guthrie video.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:15 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Seems like a pretty fair response to me....Liqour control is a joke. The way undercovers conduct business around town is borderline criminal. There should be much more public outcry over how state funds are used for a task force that oversteps their boundaries.
Sure they do, but they probably wouldn't even show up in columbus on gameday for fear of tipping the sacred cow.
Can someone FOIA the records for liquor control stats for Athens vs. Kent, Akron, Columbus, Oxford, Bowling Green, etc.? Would love to see if the same efforts were applied everywhere else or if Athens is profiled because it is "easy money".
Anyone can do that so give it a try and let us know what you find out.
Dammit Alan, I was hoping someone younger with more energy would take the bait. Now you inspired me to do it. Instead of FOIA, I looked at the state liquor control site for stats. Guys, hold on to your beers, this is seriously wrong.

Guess which city in Ohio has the most citations from the Ohio Investigative Unit for alcohol-related offenses so far this year?

Athens.

By a mile.

These Under 21 offenses include: Under 21 Knowingly Consume Beer; Consume Intoxicating Liquor, Order Intoxicating Liquor; Possess Beer; Possess Intoxicating Liquor; Purchase Beer; Purchase Intoxicating Liquor; Share in Cost of Beer; Under the Influence in a Public Place

Here's the list of the top 10 Ohio cities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Ohio), their populations and their citations for alcohol offenses by the Ohio Investigative Unit:

1. Columbus (787,033) -- 135 citations (1 per every 5,829 citizens)
2. Cleveland (396,815) -- 139 citations (1:2,660)
3. Cincinnati (296,943) -- 102 citations (1:2,911)
4. Toledo (287,208) -- 22 citations (1:13,055)
5. Akron (199,110) -- 93 citations (1:2,140)
6. Dayton (141,527) -- 16 citations (1:8,845)
7. Parma (81,601) -- 2 citations (1:40,800)
8. Canton (73,007) -- 5 citations (1:14,601)
9. Youngstown (66,982) -- 4 citations (1:16,745)
10. Lorain (64,097) -- 1 citation (1:64,097)

So Ohio's top 10 cities comprise 2,394,323 people and total 519 alcohol citations for a ratio of 1:4,613

The City of Athens (not county) so far this year has...

...341 citations

For a ratio of 1:70 cited in that city.

Other key stats:
-Athens is the #1 cited city in the state
-Athens has 2.5 times the citations of either Columbus and Cleveland
-Athens has more than 200 citations than the next highest city cited -- Cleveland (139 vs. 341)
-If you combine the citations of 8 of the top 10 most populated cities in Ohio, they have 96 LESS citations combined than the city of Athens
-There are listing by counties, but there is NO listing for Butler county (no citations in OXFORD?)
-All Ohio MAC college towns combined: 148 citations vs. Athens' 341
-Athens averages more than 38 citations a month. Cleveland, Columbus or Cincinnati? Less than 15.

And the report I ran is from 1/1/14 through 9/18/2014 -- this doesn't even count Halloween, folks.

Profile much?

Source: http://www.dps.ohio.gov/LFSWebReports/Display_Report.aspx
or http://www.dps.ohio.gov/LFSWebReports/

Edit: A quick look at full-year 2013 stats shows Athens with 510 citations. Cleveland with 86 and Cincinnati with 60.
Last Edited: 9/18/2014 8:22:33 PM by OhioStunter
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:41 PM
Why did Willie Sutton rob banks? Because that's where the money was.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:53 PM
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Motion to end every discussion via Arlo Guthrie video.
Now come on Pete, I've only done that twice in 10 years and both times they were germane to the conversation.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 9:33 PM
I have a friend who is a lawyer (don't hold that against me) and I asked him about this issue of a liquor permit holder allowing others to bring adult beverages purchased elsewhere into their facility (building, tent, park, etc.). He did a quick look at the relevant portions of the Ohio revised code and said though he was not an expert in this area of the law it appeared to him that the relevant sections of the revised code were "permissive" and not "mandatory." In other words, a permit holder could restrict these actions but that the permit holder was not required to.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:30 PM
Everything I've heard is this was strong-armed by OUPD and APD - which were responding to pressures from liquor control. Athletics fought tooth and nail for the status quo and HATES the new set-up. It's far from a money grab...with all of the rules in place on who can serve alcohol, I've been told athletics will see exactly $0.00 from alcohol sales in Peden or Tailgreat Park. It's all being sold by local non-profit groups that get to keep all the proceeds.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:34 PM
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I have a friend who is a lawyer (don't hold that against me) and I asked him about this issue of a liquor permit holder allowing others to bring adult beverages purchased elsewhere into their facility (building, tent, park, etc.). He did a quick look at the relevant portions of the Ohio revised code and said though he was not an expert in this area of the law it appeared to him that the relevant sections of the revised code were "permissive" and not "mandatory." In other words, a permit holder could restrict these actions but that the permit holder was not required to.
The "code" is interpreted by "rules". On any given day, ask a couple different ODLC contacts how they currently interpret the "rules" - you will most likely get different answers....the whole thing is a joke and has been for an eternity. They swing with the political wind - degree of enforcement, strictness of interpretation of the rules. Athens is just an easy place to show they actually do any work to earn they pay (and subsidize their pay).

Just like Rt 33 on game days...........
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:50 PM
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Profile much?
Yes, well, when you beat your chest about being party central...
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Posted: 9/19/2014 1:00 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
So, I called the athletics department today to see what they had to say. I got a call about 30 minutes ago. Essentially it's business as usual except for what has been noted above by the member of the ticket office. If you're tailgating on your own, just be responsible and play the game and go the cup route. It's not like everyone does know what you have in that cup anyway. It reminds me of this old Arlo Guthrie song when he asks of Santa Claus - "what's in the pipe that's he's smoking?" The first 5 minutes are pretty good comedy routine, the last 3 minutes are the song. I'd listen to it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKwv3YrL4U0
*** ****** [Gosh darnit] Alan, now I've got to listen to about 20 minutes of Alice's Restaurant before I'll be able to go to sleep
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Posted: 9/19/2014 6:50 AM
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To clarify, new this season OUPD in conjunction with state liquor control is not permitting those individuals with tents in Tailgreat Park to sell or distribute alcohol to their guests. Those groups with tents will be placed inside the "beer garden" area where fans will be allowed to purchase alcohol on their own for $5. Other fans (those that do not have tents) will be permitted in this area to purchase alcohol as well.

Please note that this does not affect tailgating in other lots or out of individual cars in Tailgreat Park. Fans are encouraged to tailgate responsibly, provided that they do not take up any adjacent parking spaces.

Also, it should be noted that Ohio Athletics and Ohio University are not profiting off of this new policy. Alcohol sales in Tailgreat Park are being run by non-profit groups which are keeping all proceeds. The rationale behind this decision was simply motivated by a desire to comply with state and local law enforcement.

Feel free to contact your Ohio Ticket Sales Team account representative with any questions about gameday.

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So at $5.00 a beer how much is a keg? I expect this will be the last year we rent a tent. 75 alcoholics x $5.00 beer = too expensive
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Posted: 9/19/2014 8:18 AM
Alan, I make that proposal in the kindest of intentions. I believe Arlo Guthrie's Evening at Pops performance should be required watching for every high school civics class. It will be the platform for my doomed run for school board.

A thought on these beer gardens and tailgating:

I believe the field at TailGreat Park jumped the shark a long time ago. With the exception of a few long-time participants (and they know who they are), it has devolved into a corporate village with the personality of a hospital waiting room.

My best tailgates of the last three years have been in the Convo and Peden parking lots. The atmosphere has been pure Bobcat and interference has been microscopic.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:19 AM
I'm sorry friends but anyone professing shock or dismay at:

a high number of alcohol infraction citations in Athens,

a University doing the responsible thing by indicating support for state laws,

an Athletic Department trying something new to:

--- appease its supporters,

--- raise funds,

a "corporate" entity disappointed at losing its ability to capitalize on a sporting event to make money and attract attention,

the true relevance of Arlo Guthrie to Bobcat Sports

just isn't living in the real world.

Follow Pete's advice. Keep your head down and behave responsibly. No one wants to harsh your vibe, man.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:24 AM
I know some people got out of hand with beer pong tables and full bar set ups ( wooden bar and over 30 bottle of spirits set up just like a bar). That could be part of the crack down too. Solo cups and behave, should be safe.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:41 AM
Has there been much drunken, stupid behavior at the tailgating?
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:04 AM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
Everything I've heard is this was strong-armed by OUPD and APD - which were responding to pressures from liquor control. Athletics fought tooth and nail for the status quo and HATES the new set-up. It's far from a money grab...with all of the rules in place on who can serve alcohol, I've been told athletics will see exactly $0.00 from alcohol sales in Peden or Tailgreat Park. It's all being sold by local non-profit groups that get to keep all the proceeds.
This is not true. The beer and wine sold in Peden and the Convo will be sold under a permit that was just approved and through the athletics food vendor - AVI. Just as athletics makes a profit on those pretzels we've all loved to hate, they too will be getting a profit on the beverages. As for the beer garden, that is another issue all together.

This craziness started when that student sponsored home brew festival behind McCracken Hall got busted. Even the Green and White Club had to change their policies.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:23 AM
Mostly, I'd like to see those stats just for home football game days.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:34 AM
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Alan, I make that proposal in the kindest of intentions. I believe Arlo Guthrie's Evening at Pops performance should be required watching for every high school civics class. It will be the platform for my doomed run for school board.

A thought on these beer gardens and tailgating:

I believe the field at TailGreat Park jumped the shark a long time ago. With the exception of a few long-time participants (and they know who they are), it has devolved into a corporate village with the personality of a hospital waiting room.

My best tailgates of the last three years have been in the Convo and Peden parking lots. The atmosphere has been pure Bobcat and interference has been microscopic.
Are you really running Pete and in one school district? Are you taking contributions? I ran here in Athens last year and got 1225 votes but not quite enough to get elected. if there is one thing that I learned from that experience it's if you are asking people to change or consider change, they have to see the personal benefit in that change. Anyway, agreed on Arlo Guthrie.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:39 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This craziness started when that student sponsored home brew festival behind McCracken Hall got busted. Even the Green and White Club had to change their policies.
That bust was so odious and reeked of bullying.
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Has there been much drunken, stupid behavior at the tailgating?
Only when we've hosted Marshall.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 12:13 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Everything I've heard is this was strong-armed by OUPD and APD - which were responding to pressures from liquor control. Athletics fought tooth and nail for the status quo and HATES the new set-up. It's far from a money grab...with all of the rules in place on who can serve alcohol, I've been told athletics will see exactly $0.00 from alcohol sales in Peden or Tailgreat Park. It's all being sold by local non-profit groups that get to keep all the proceeds.
This is not true. The beer and wine sold in Peden and the Convo will be sold under a permit that was just approved and through the athletics food vendor - AVI. Just as athletics makes a profit on those pretzels we've all loved to hate, they too will be getting a profit on the beverages. As for the beer garden, that is another issue all together.

This craziness started when that student sponsored home brew festival behind McCracken Hall got busted. Even the Green and White Club had to change their policies.
Which is true, the university gets profits on beer or not?

ohiobobcats1 wrote:expand_more
Also, it should be noted that Ohio Athletics and Ohio University are not profiting off of this new policy. Alcohol sales in Tailgreat Park are being run by non-profit groups which are keeping all proceeds. The rationale behind this decision was simply motivated by a desire to comply with state and local law enforcement.

Feel free to contact your Ohio Ticket Sales Team account representative with any questions about gameday.

Ohio Ticket Sales Team
740-593-9687
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