Daz continues to make s***** decisions on punt returns and the coaches continue to make s***** decisions to put him out there.

I would like to see more Dorian Brown. He seems more physical and has better size.

Daz is a nice kid but we have to have another option. The Kent State fumble fest seems to have doomed Brown and Edmunds to the bench, but not Daz??

Do you really believe if the coaches did not think Irons was ready and could contribute that he would not be playing?

How is it that our number one recruiting target (Irons) is not ready to contribute, but a walk on (Oulette) is good enough to start at RB?

Sorry to hear that you are bailing out SBH. Not surprised, but true colors come out when the s*** hits the fan. We have a young team, that is not as good as we have been in recent years. If you want to quit, and not come to anymore games.....so what, and you won't be missed. Our coaches and kids are working hard to get better, and it may or may not happen this week! True Bobcat fans will rally behind the effort !

SBH has been a true Bobcat for over 35 years. He supports OU with his presence and his pocketbook. There comes a time when loyalty is tested and strained. I'd much rather have a guy like SBH supporting OU than a blindly loyal "fan" who can't see the forest for the trees. With the resources that the current administration has committed to the big two sports, I expect results year in and year out. At this point in the game, there should be no rebuilding, just reloading. Volleyball seems to be able to do it.

Another perspective is that 'working to get better' and, as some others have said, 'haven't quit' is a baseline minimal standard. Which if we didn't meet would be almost immoral.

On the other side, we have higher standards, which SBH very succinctly pointed to. On the other side, we see that it could be that those who accept the very, very low standards of 1) 'working to get better,' 2)the illusory 'progress' and 3) 'haven't quit' who are hurting the program.

To call those who point to a reality that's rather apparent over the past 28 or so games non-supporters for not accepting minimal standards is obnoxious--to be kind.

SBH and I argue a lot about stuff. But to doubt his loyalty and baseline perception is garbage.

By the way, youth, injuries, tough sched, etc, etc, etc are at some point insufficient excuses. At some point there are some pretty apparent significant problems for which responsibility needs to be taken/assigned.

I totally agree with SBH. Sad thing is, I have been around for over 40 years, have seen this story before, and am still driving from Cincy to Athens to watch my favorite team play the Buffs mid week November...I guess i am the one who should have his head examined. Really, who does that?

I guess last year's team was immoral by these standards.

Again, Monroe, you set up a straw man then knock him down. Those who talk about the team's workman-like attitude and the progress that's being made on little things (that might not show up yet in the score in every game) are NOT saying that this is sufficient. They are NOT saying they are happy with the losses. They are simply saying that we have a young team that is working very hard and that a reasonable analysis of the program would lead to a diagnosis of illness with a prognosis of full recovery and robust health. In essence, we "sunshine guys" agree with your diagnosis that the patient is sick, but we disagree with your prognosis that the patient will be dead without new experimental surgery being done and/or that we need a new surgeon. Also, how does anything anyone says here hurt or help the program in any way?

I've never said that you or SBH are not fans. I have said that I think much of your anger is misdirected and short-sighted. I've also said that I believe that you are confusing the current downturn with the Knorr years. Frank is not Brian Knorr in any way shape or form. Knorr took a program that was on the rise, and almost immediately took it for a nose dive. Frank took that program and revived it and is now methodically preparing it for the next level. If things are not better in the next year or two, then you might have something to complain about. [Remember I was in complete agreement with you about Knorr -- both in terms of the Dx and in terms of the Rx.]

Who's not taking responsibility? Is Frank blaming someone else? I really don't understand what you are saying here. Do you think he should extended some kind of personal apology to BA posters? ;-)

Bobcat Grad 86, this sounds as though there is a good ol boys club whose members are above reproach. I am certain this is not what you meant. Was it?

My problem is he shows up mainly after losses, and he's usually wanting someone's job. That is not what I call the true definition of a supporter.