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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:49 AM
Maybe he is best suited to be a defensive coordinator rather than a head coach. He is very intense as are most of the Youngstown Cardinal Mooney guys.
He doesn't need a job immediately and he has a big buyout from Nebraska.
Could he wind up at Kentucky as DC for his brother?
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Posted: 12/1/2014 11:12 AM
Pelini does seem to be a jerk and unlike a lot of successful jerks, he seems particularly proud of it. That is what makes him poison in my mind. Can't see him at Ohio or anywhere as HC until he at least acknowledges that he has a public role to fill as a non-jerk ~ 90% of the time.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 12:15 PM
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Maybe we can pick him up after Solich hangs them up...

That might be a good plan. The only hitch is that he would probably make a lot more as a Defensive Coordinator for a top program than he would as a Head Coach at Ohio. I guess it depends what is important to him.
Unbelievable:

In fact, no coach in the history of a Power 5 program had been fired for on-field performance after winning as many games in his first seven years. Only Alabama and Oregon -- first and second this week in the College Football Playoff rankings -- can match the Huskers in winning nine games each year since 2008.

It's par for the course at Nebraska, where the grass is always greener on the other side. Their fans wanted to fire Bob Devaney after he turned the program from a loser into a winner and bowl team when, a few years later he dropped to near .500 for a couple years. They didn't get their way back then, but then a decade later they tried to get Tom Osborne fired in 1977-78, and failed again. Since then, though, they have succeeded.

They seem to think they are Ohio State, Texas, or Alabama, but the truth is that they have more in common with the likes of Iowa, Iowa State, and Kansas than with those three.

I'm wondering what they have in common with the schools you named other than geography and lack of local talent
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Posted: 12/1/2014 1:34 PM
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I'm wondering what they have in common with the schools you named other than geography and lack of local talent

That would be the connection. Virtually all of the top teams in football, year in and year out, have a large pool of local talent. That's why you find teams from the West Coast, Oklahoma-Texas, Florida, and the SE in general, plus Ohio State near the top, and why you don't generally find teams from more rural states.

Once in awhile a team from some other area can pop to the top, but it's usually temporary. Nebraska was able to stay near the top for an unusually long time for a team from an area without the same type of local talent. It's particularly unusual because they not only don't have have sufficient local talent, but they also are not an easy location to recruit to. ("Come see, umm, the corn..???)

The one thing that does separate them from the other teams in the plains area is that they used the money they got from their long string of success to build some incredible facilities, and that does add to their recruiting appeal. They also have built a tradition of Academic All-Americans, another recruiting appeal. Together those help them stay above other teams from the area, but how far above them?

When I think of Nebraska fans, I think back to one delusional fan who told me back in 2003 "We aren't unreasonable. We don't expect Nebraska to win the National Championship every year, but they should at least be playing for it every few years."
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Posted: 12/1/2014 1:46 PM
ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
Maybe he is best suited to be a defensive coordinator rather than a head coach. He is very intense as are most of the Youngstown Cardinal Mooney guys.
He doesn't need a job immediately and he has a big buyout from Nebraska.
Could he wind up at Kentucky as DC for his brother?
Stoops is the Kentucky coach. How does Pelini wind up there working for a brother?
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Posted: 12/1/2014 1:51 PM
His teams have lost a ton of games by 20+ points and just gave up a mile of running yards to Wisconsin. Not sure his DC credentials are as high as they once were.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:18 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I'm wondering what they have in common with the schools you named other than geography and lack of local talent

That would be the connection. Virtually all of the top teams in football, year in and year out, have a large pool of local talent. That's why you find teams from the West Coast, Oklahoma-Texas, Florida, and the SE in general, plus Ohio State near the top, and why you don't generally find teams from more rural states.

Once in awhile a team from some other area can pop to the top, but it's usually temporary. Nebraska was able to stay near the top for an unusually long time for a team from an area without the same type of local talent. It's particularly unusual because they not only don't have have sufficient local talent, but they also are not an easy location to recruit to. ("Come see, umm, the corn..???)

The one thing that does separate them from the other teams in the plains area is that they used the money they got from their long string of success to build some incredible facilities, and that does add to their recruiting appeal. They also have built a tradition of Academic All-Americans, another recruiting appeal. Together those help them stay above other teams from the area, but how far above them?

When I think of Nebraska fans, I think back to one delusional fan who told me back in 2003 "We aren't unreasonable. We don't expect Nebraska to win the National Championship every year, but they should at least be playing for it every few years."

I think that you're pretty spot on. Their time in the limelight was not exactly a flash in the pan. They are 5th in all time football wins. They have several major things that the others mentioned do not-Brand,resources,and fanbase. Just like all the other once top programs like Tennessee, Notre Dame, Miami, Texas etc.to name few, they can come back with the right coach (and a top notch QB) to prominence.
Last Edited: 12/1/2014 5:08:54 PM by colobobcat66
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:40 PM
Nebraska fans I think have yet to fully realize how much of their tremendous success was due to a very small number of guys. Mostly one guy. Tom Osborne. And also Bob Devaney and others he and Tom brought together and developed -- including the current Ohio HC, whom Devaney recruited to play and Osborne recruited to coach.

Nebraska has fan backing and facilities, for sure. And IMO they have put together a well-run state university in general (i.e. even outside of athletics). But that's pretty much the end of the list of their advantages. To the extent they can get and keep an outstanding coach, they'll be in the national title hunt. They won't necessarily achieve that just because they're willing to fire nine-win coaches, though.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 3:07 PM
Well, L.C., we don't have a lot of corn here and we don't have big malls, but we do have paw-paws! ;-)
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Posted: 12/1/2014 3:30 PM
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Maybe he is best suited to be a defensive coordinator rather than a head coach. He is very intense as are most of the Youngstown Cardinal Mooney guys.
He doesn't need a job immediately and he has a big buyout from Nebraska.
Could he wind up at Kentucky as DC for his brother?
Stoops is the Kentucky coach. How does Pelini wind up there working for a brother?
Mob brother, maybe
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Posted: 12/1/2014 3:51 PM
Actually wouldn't be surprised to see Pelini land at a DC spot about 1 hour and 15 minutes up US-33.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 4:02 PM
GoCats, your thought is not far fetched at all. Urban has little loyalty to anyone on his defensive staff, so anything could happen. With the large buy-out that has been reported waiting for Bo, he will most likely kick back for awhile. He has a number of connections in coaching circles, and if he wants to work in college football he will have no problem landing a good job.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 5:11 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I'm wondering what they have in common with the schools you named other than geography and lack of local talent

That would be the connection. Virtually all of the top teams in football, year in and year out, have a large pool of local talent. That's why you find teams from the West Coast, Oklahoma-Texas, Florida, and the SE in general, plus Ohio State near the top, and why you don't generally find teams from more rural states.

Once in awhile a team from some other area can pop to the top, but it's usually temporary. Nebraska was able to stay near the top for an unusually long time for a team from an area without the same type of local talent. It's particularly unusual because they not only don't have have sufficient local talent, but they also are not an easy location to recruit to. ("Come see, umm, the corn..???)

The one thing that does separate them from the other teams in the plains area is that they used the money they got from their long string of success to build some incredible facilities, and that does add to their recruiting appeal. They also have built a tradition of Academic All-Americans, another recruiting appeal. Together those help them stay above other teams from the area, but how far above them?

When I think of Nebraska fans, I think back to one delusional fan who told me back in 2003 "We aren't unreasonable. We don't expect Nebraska to win the National Championship every year, but they should at least be playing for it every few years."

It's all about context. After winning 3 in the 8 years before that comment, why would the fan be delusional in thinking that?
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Posted: 12/1/2014 5:25 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
It's all about context. After winning 3 in the 8 years before that comment, why would the fan be delusional in thinking that?

Given that context, it may have seemed reasonable to that fan, but given the results since then, it was clearly delusional. FWIW, my reply to him at the time was that the period of playing for National Championships was simply a unique period in history, and unlikely to be repeated, regardless of who was the coach.

As a few Nebraskans have figured out since then, it is a lot easier to tear apart an existing program than it is to build a new one, and once it is gone, it can't simple be restarted; it must be built in an entirely new way.
Last Edited: 12/1/2014 5:28:17 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:50 PM
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Maybe he is best suited to be a defensive coordinator rather than a head coach. He is very intense as are most of the Youngstown Cardinal Mooney guys.
He doesn't need a job immediately and he has a big buyout from Nebraska.
Could he wind up at Kentucky as DC for his brother?
Stoops is the Kentucky coach. How does Pelini wind up there working for a brother?
My bad. They are from same high school. I was thinking of the Stoops brothers.
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