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Posted: 11/30/2014 6:47 PM
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We'll see. Every year it's something...injuries, youth, locker-room problems, rebuilding, improving, fan attendance, the angle of the sun. When's it gonna be a MACC.
Actually, this just isn't true. We are not the Chicago Cubs, where it's always next year. As a recovering Cubs fan I've now been almost clean for a decade; I did succumb and fall off the wagon briefly and watched a few playoff games in 2003, 2007 and 2008. 2003 was just a painful reminder of 1984. which was a painful reminder of 1969. That's when I first went into the recovery program and started to overcome my addiction. The decade under Solich has been much more satisfying than a lifetime of Cub fandom -- we've won the MAC East, beaten FBS programs, won bowl games, etc. Yes, like the Cubs that elusive pennant (MACC) still alludes us, but at least we've been to the MACC; the poor cubs haven't been to the World Series since just before my first birthday. Again, Monroe you are taking the problems of the last two years and making it sound like that's the whole of Frank's tenure. It's simply not. You are barking up the wrong tree. Your dog won't hunt.

Edit: As a kid I used to listen to almost every Cub game in my room in Athens, Ohio, via WGN in Chicago. I had an NC-57 shortwave receiver with general coverage also and I had a WWII surplus tank antenna mounted in the gutter outside my room. On a nice day with no thunderstorms in the vicinity it was fairly easy listening. On other days, my mother would come into the room and ask why I was listening to all that static, but I could hear Lou Boudreau, Jack Quinlan, and the guy who died before Jack came on board whose name I can't recall at the moment, through the static. I would hang on every pitch. If that's not the sign of an addiction, I don't know what is.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 8:14 PM
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The only parallel I see between Solich and Snyder is their age. Snyder has accomplished so much more.
Lol.

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Situation, you might not like Monroe, but you're dead wrong on your almost apologetic view of the football program. I am tired of hearing people on this board lambast those of us that expect more than finishing 2nd in the MAC East.
I've seen my argument treated as if, somehow, I have nothing to gain by OU becoming the next TCU tomorrow.

It's as if I don't have the emotional investment in OU that others somehow have?

It's as if I didn't sit through that NIU game in person two weeks ago. It's as if I didn't drive down to Kentucky and Marshall this year only to come home empty handed.

I literally failed a structural theory midterm my Junior year because I drove to Philly with good friends to see Tuesday night MACtion against Temple.

I've got a big 1804 tattooed on my bicep.

I'm emotionally invested folks.

I don't want a MAC Championship next week. I wanted a MAC Championship five (5) years ago.

Have I not demonstrated a willingness to confront a person I believe to be a problem?

Would it really be more difficult to indirectly berate Frank Solich rather than directly berate Monroe Slavin?

What I want from this program cannot happen overnight, or really within a decade considering the initial state of the program. What I want can only be found at the end of a long hard road. My mind says Frank Solich puts OHIO in the best position to weather that long hard road. My heart gets no say in business decisions. I can be ruthless when it comes to evaluating matters of fact. Have I not made that clear???

Who can we hope to be like?

Boise State: They're not Cinderella. According to a stat L.C. posted recently, Boise had nearly a dozen consecutive seasons at or above 0.500 before making their claim to fame against Oklahoma in that now famous bowl game.

And TCU: Before TCU was in the Fiesta bowl in 2010 and the Rose Bowl in 2011, TCU played in ten (10) bowl games between 1998 and 2009. TCU won seven of those ten bowl games over that period. They beat USC. They beat Iowa State. They beat NIU and Boise in those bowl games. And after a decade of winning more bowl games than they lost, TCU finally broke through and won that Rose Bowl.

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Monroe does what few on this board do. He opens up his checkbook and supports the university, as well as the athletic department, at a very high level. There is nothing wrong with having a high expectation of success. The truly successful people in this world are always looking for a way to get better. I grow weary of the constant justification of mediocrity, as well as the sales job put on us about how things will be "really good next year".
I grow weary of the justification of financial mediocrity. As I've stated earlier, I don't recall seeing plans for the to-be-constructed Monroe Slavin Running Backs Facility.

If Frank Solich is mediocrity, then Monroe Slavin's financial contributions to OHIO University don't even register on the graph.

The only tangible effect an alumni can have on this program is money $$$, more money than the long distance cost of ownership of a Bobcat Black seat.

For a number of reasons alumni cannot or choose not to make and/or invest the type of money required to make a tangible impact on the football program. That's fine by me. But that doesn't change what's required to succeed.

And why should anything but money separate football programs?

If I have a dream for OHIO football at age 24, and some other 24 year old has a dream for their university at age 24, why shouldn't the tie breaker come down to the guy with the money to get shit done? Should it really be some other way?

Like I said in another thread, reading complaints on a regular basis about the state of the program from 50+ year old alumni is like listening to a father complain to his kids about the size of their house. It's like dad, you had your chance to make hay while the sun shined. The small house is on you.

What is a university but the people?
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:21 PM
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It's about the record, the recent record being most relevant. Are we really going to rely on the coaches' records at other schools from a decade or more ago?

Between MAC and OOC sched, we have five really easy games a year. 9, 8, 10, 9, 7, 6 wins recently--really impressive. An avg of 7 a year and falling against our absolutely killer schedule. Whoopee.

Football ain't that complicated. How many games can it take to institute a new scheme.

Take a look at the number of seniors on our roster vs those of NIU, Toledo and WMU (the top teams in the league). Tell me how we stand on relative age in that regard.
LOL

First that's an average of 8.

Second we have not only the youngest team in the east by 50 some schools but we also have the youngest team in all of the MAC.

Third Frank has done more for this teams football school than any other coach since 1968. He has won 8/9 against Miami. Never has lost against a lower division school. Won 3 MAC east titles. 2 bowl games and has gone 48-32 in the MAC. 8/10 .500 or better seasons. A top 25 ranking. A huggggeee boost in attendance. Need I go on.

All of that off the top of my head. If Frank can do all of that in his first 10 seasons I can't wait to see what he will offer in the next 10. We have the 8th youngest team in the country. 8th!!! and we still manage to go .500

A MAC title is on our doorstep.
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The only parallel I see between Solich and Snyder is their age. Snyder has accomplished so much more.
Lol.

Situation, you might not like Monroe, but you're dead wrong on your almost apologetic view of the football program. I am tired of hearing people on this board lambast those of us that expect more than finishing 2nd in the MAC East.
I've seen my argument treated as if, somehow, I have nothing to gain by OU becoming the next TCU tomorrow.

It's as if I don't have the emotional investment in OU that others somehow have?

It's as if I didn't sit through that NIU game in person two weeks ago. It's as if I didn't drive down to Kentucky and Marshall this year only to come home empty handed.

I literally failed a structural theory midterm my Junior year because I drove to Philly with good friends to see Tuesday night MACtion against Temple.

I've got a big 1804 tattooed on my bicep.

I'm emotionally invested folks.

I don't want a MAC Championship next week. I wanted a MAC Championship five (5) years ago.

Have I not demonstrated a willingness to confront a person I believe to be a problem?

Would it really be more difficult to indirectly berate Frank Solich rather than directly berate Monroe Slavin?

What I want from this program cannot happen overnight, or really within a decade considering the initial state of the program. What I want can only be found at the end of a long hard road. My mind says Frank Solich puts OHIO in the best position to weather that long hard road. My heart gets no say in business decisions. I can be ruthless when it comes to evaluating matters of fact. Have I not made that clear???

Who can we hope to be like?

Boise State: They're not Cinderella. According to a stat L.C. posted recently, Boise had nearly a dozen consecutive seasons at or above 0.500 before making their claim to fame against Oklahoma in that now famous bowl game.

And TCU: Before TCU was in the Fiesta bowl in 2010 and the Rose Bowl in 2011, TCU played in ten (10) bowl games between 1998 and 2009. TCU won seven of those ten bowl games over that period. They beat USC. They beat Iowa State. They beat NIU and Boise in those bowl games. And after a decade of winning more bowl games than they lost, TCU finally broke through and won that Rose Bowl.

Monroe does what few on this board do. He opens up his checkbook and supports the university, as well as the athletic department, at a very high level. There is nothing wrong with having a high expectation of success. The truly successful people in this world are always looking for a way to get better. I grow weary of the constant justification of mediocrity, as well as the sales job put on us about how things will be "really good next year".
I grow weary of the justification of financial mediocrity. As I've stated earlier, I don't recall seeing plans for the to-be-constructed Monroe Slavin Running Backs Facility.

If Frank Solich is mediocrity, then Monroe Slavin's financial contributions to OHIO University don't even register on the graph.

The only tangible effect an alumni can have on this program is money $$$, more money than the long distance cost of ownership of a Bobcat Black seat.

For a number of reasons alumni cannot or choose not to make and/or invest the type of money required to make a tangible impact on the football program. That's fine by me. But that doesn't change what's required to succeed.

And why should anything but money separate football programs?

If I have a dream for OHIO football at age 24, and some other 24 year old has a dream for their university at age 24, why shouldn't the tie breaker come down to the guy with the money to get shit done? Should it really be some other way?

Like I said in another thread, reading complaints on a regular basis about the state of the program from 50+ year old alumni is like listening to a father complain to his kids about the size of their house. It's like dad, you had your chance to make hay while the sun shined. The small house is on you.

What is a university but the people?
Let me put it bluntly, you are delusional. . Emotional investment - write a check - a big one and then you might have some cred.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:06 PM
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Let me put it bluntly, you are delusional. . Emotional investment - write a check - a big one and then you might have some cred.
If you're going to be blunt don't ask for permission.

Seems like we both can agree that money talks.

I don't have the money to complain about OHIO football. I haven't spent the money to complain about OHIO football. So I don't complain about OHIO football.

Seems like we disagree on how much money is required to have a legitimate complaint.

Unfortunately percentage of total income donated annually will not identify the type of money I'm talking about. And I know for certain Monroe has not donated the type of money I'm talking about.

As I mentioned in a previous thread as an example: Kansas had an alum spend $4.3M on pieces of paper just so he could donate them to the university.

Alan Swank and the guy with $4.3M to spend on the original rules of basketball have an opinion: Who gets to talk?

I really don't see the delusion. Maybe you're the one in denial Alan (see what I did there?).
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The only parallel I see between Solich and Snyder is their age. Snyder has accomplished so much more.

Situation, you might not like Monroe, but you're dead wrong on your almost apologetic view of the football program. I am tired of hearing people on this board lambast those of us that expect more than finishing 2nd in the MAC East.

After 10 years, we are not seeing forward momentum.
We are not winning the recruiting battle in our own pathetic conference.
We have a boring program, which is probably part of the recruiting problem.
Wv have a boring schedule, which turns the casual fan off.
We have a bad stadium, no video board and weak gameday operations.
We do not have any possible corporate money in the region to provide your fairy tale infusion of cash.
Until the team starts winning more and gaining national attention, the program is stuck in neutral in all areas.

I am well aware that Solich has turned the program around, but I also am of the opinion that we have seen a plateau. I would like to see only one change, a more dynamic Offensive Coordinator. Solich has been too loyal and it has been a glaring problem. If he is not able to make tough decisions on personnel, then that is not the definition of a great leader.

Monroe does what few on this board do. He opens up his checkbook and supports the university, as well as the athletic department, at a very high level. There is nothing wrong with having a high expectation of success. The truly successful people in this world are always looking for a way to get better. I grow weary of the constant justification of mediocrity, as well as the sales job put on us about how things will be "really good next year".
I don't hold 695 in the highest regard, but he is absolutely spot on with this argument, especially the last couple of sentences about how successful people don't just sit back on their accomplishments once they've made it big.
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Posted: 11/30/2014 10:33 PM
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I don't hold 695 in the highest regard, but he is absolutely spot on with this argument, especially the last couple of sentences about how successful people don't just sit back on their accomplishments once they've made it big.
Ohio University isn't a person. We are Ohio University. We are people.

Successful people accept the things they cannot change.

Successful people have the courage to change the things they can.

Successful people have the wisdom to know the difference.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 2:54 AM
You just flat out don't make sense at some points. When I do it, I'm kidding around. You do it as if you're really making some grand point

You can put up all the irrelevant, old facts that you want. By performance on the field, we're still just the barest bit above the bottom of the MAC over the last 35 games.

Assertion that we are about to be markedly better is debatable. What we've been over the last 35 is not...except in your alternate, wound-too-tight universe.


I do thank you for your self-righteous rants. They give me stuff to quickly poke fun at, knowing that you'll always fire back rapidly and repeatedly without the least bit of good humor or amiability. And with plenty of random.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 7:50 AM
Can we agree that I've established multiple significant similarities between Bill Snyder and Frank Solich?
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Posted: 12/1/2014 10:41 AM
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Can we agree that I've established multiple significant similarities between Bill Snyder and Frank Solich?
+1

Frank has many years of experience and he learns from each year. Several years ago he put in a new OL blocking scheme; after Troy he went to the no-huddle offense; this year he put in a new defensive scheme; he's always looking for ways to innovate and improve. He's not some old coach who has packed it in and is just waiting for the right time to retire. He is much more like Bill Snyder than any coach in the plus 65+ age category in the nation.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 8:25 PM
No.

We can agree that you have pointed out some similarities.

We cannot agree that they are significant.


Does the fact that since we beat Temple on 11/2/11, we've lost our last 12 games against MAC teams which finished the year with an overall record of .500 or better carry any significance for you.

Do you take no wins in the last 12 games against .500 or better overall record MAC teams as a sign of success.


(I did the analysis very quickly..I think it's 12 games...if it's one or two less, the point still obtains. No; that's not a typo 11/2/11 )
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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:03 PM
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. . . Do you take no wins in the last 12 games against .500 or better overall record MAC teams as a sign of success. . . .
TS, can answer for himself, but to me it has no real significance. It's an arbitrary timeframe, and totally ignores the extenuating circumstances that have affected OHIO for the last two years. And, BTW, we beat a Penn State team in September of 2012, and PSU went on to an 8-4 record, and their coach was named the B1G coach of the year. Frank schooled him in that game. Oh, how soon we forget.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:05 PM
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. . . Do you take no wins in the last 12 games against .500 or better overall record MAC teams as a sign of success. . . .
TS, can answer for himself, but to me it has no real significance. It's an arbitrary timeframe, and totally ignores the extenuating circumstances that have affected OHIO for the last two years. And, BTW, we beat a Penn State team in September of 2012, and PSU went on to an 8-4 record, and their coach was named the B1G coach of the year. Frank schooled him in that game. Oh, how soon we forget.
I think the guy is just playing with us. He can't be taken seriously. He doesn't consider OOC teams counting in his warped world of logic.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:12 PM
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. . . Do you take no wins in the last 12 games against .500 or better overall record MAC teams as a sign of success. . . .
TS, can answer for himself, but to me it has no real significance. It's an arbitrary timeframe, and totally ignores the extenuating circumstances that have affected OHIO for the last two years. And, BTW, we beat a Penn State team in September of 2012, and PSU went on to an 8-4 record, and their coach was named the B1G coach of the year. Frank schooled him in that game. Oh, how soon we forget.
I think the guy is just playing with us. He can't be taken serious.
You are right, he also cleverly frames his qualifiers so it doesn't include OHIO's victory over on 9/7/13 over the North Texas Meanies, who finished the season at 9-4, which included a victory over the UNLV Running Rebels in the Heart of Dallas Bowl. Oh, is he the king of selective use of statistics. Remember the old saw, statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics. I'm not calling Monroe a liar, I actually still like the guy, but he does play fast and loose with things when he's trying to make the same point 850 different ways. Lighten up, Monroe. Frank is staying until he wants to leave, which hopefully is a long way in the future.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 12:03 AM
Are you guys really that clueless? For me--and I daresay many others--the first goal is a MAC Championship. You cannot make any numeric progress on that goal by beating OOC teams.

Our league is the MAC. I chose about a three year period. That's relevant and recent. To quibble about three years of MAC play as being somewhat significantly indicative of the state of the program is pretty much to not face reality.



What, then, will be an acceptable record and achievements for this coming season?

What reasons will or will not be tolerated (schedule, penalties, injuries, etc)?

If we're so on the right track, what's the standard for next year?
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Posted: 12/2/2014 10:45 AM
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What, then, will be an acceptable record and achievements for this coming season?

What reasons will or will not be tolerated (schedule, penalties, injuries, etc)?

If we're so on the right track, what's the standard for next year?
This has been discussed over and over. The simple, KISS, answer is fans should be overjoyed with a consistent contender for the East Division. If the Bobcats can remain first or second in the East a MACC with eventually happen. So if we get to this point and see the Bobcats 1st or 2nd in the East, be happy. If you have to have more than that then I suggest you change allegiances to, oh I don't know, OSU.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 10:55 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Are you guys really that clueless? For me--and I daresay many others--the first goal is a MAC Championship. You cannot make any numeric progress on that goal by beating OOC teams.

Our league is the MAC. I chose about a three year period. That's relevant and recent. To quibble about three years of MAC play as being somewhat significantly indicative of the state of the program is pretty much to not face reality.



What, then, will be an acceptable record and achievements for this coming season?

What reasons will or will not be tolerated (schedule, penalties, injuries, etc)?

If we're so on the right track, what's the standard for next year?

These questions pretty much show your lack of appreciation of reality. I'll say what my expectations are when it's the right time to, not 9 months before we know many more facts about the team, etc.
I will agree with you that a MACC is high on everyone's list of hoped for achievements. Failing that, we still have had quite a few significant achievements over the last 10 years, certainly by program standards. Some nice OOC wins certainly fall in that category.
Keep on whining, I'm sure it will accomplish a lot.
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The only parallel I see between Solich and Snyder is their age. Snyder has accomplished so much more.

Situation, you might not like Monroe, but you're dead wrong on your almost apologetic view of the football program. I am tired of hearing people on this board lambast those of us that expect more than finishing 2nd in the MAC East.

After 10 years, we are not seeing forward momentum.
We are not winning the recruiting battle in our own pathetic conference.
We have a boring program, which is probably part of the recruiting problem.
Wv have a boring schedule, which turns the casual fan off.
We have a bad stadium, no video board and weak gameday operations.
We do not have any possible corporate money in the region to provide your fairy tale infusion of cash.
Until the team starts winning more and gaining national attention, the program is stuck in neutral in all areas.

I am well aware that Solich has turned the program around, but I also am of the opinion that we have seen a plateau. I would like to see only one change, a more dynamic Offensive Coordinator. Solich has been too loyal and it has been a glaring problem. If he is not able to make tough decisions on personnel, then that is not the definition of a great leader.

Monroe does what few on this board do. He opens up his checkbook and supports the university, as well as the athletic department, at a very high level. There is nothing wrong with having a high expectation of success. The truly successful people in this world are always looking for a way to get better. I grow weary of the constant justification of mediocrity, as well as the sales job put on us about how things will be "really good next year".

+1 I would love to see some change at offensive coordinator. I fear we will fall for the next best head coach and shoot ourselves in the foot like Indiana did when they fired bill Mallory in the 90's. I think they've been bolwing twice since then. It's not as criminal as some here make it to want improvement.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 11:49 AM
I want improvement. I want a MAC Championship. The overwhelming majority of board will ditto the same.

Did the K-State message board not want improvement? Did they not want a Big 12 title?

What the K-State messageboard got after two bad Bill Snyder seasons was a new head football coach and back to back losing seasons in year 2 and 3 of the new head coach.

I don't understand why some think I'm fishing for similarities here!

I disagree with my detractors on how to literally realize that improvement that we both want.

The difference between potential and results should not be taken lightly. Ever. It's possible to waste your life away passing up results for potential.

P.S. jameshallunited,

I'll always consider myself a James Hall alum.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 12:11 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
What, then, will be an acceptable record and achievements for this coming season?

What reasons will or will not be tolerated (schedule, penalties, injuries, etc)?

If we're so on the right track, what's the standard for next year?
This has been discussed over and over. The simple, KISS, answer is fans should be overjoyed with a consistent contender for the East Division. If the Bobcats can remain first or second in the East a MACC with eventually happen. So if we get to this point and see the Bobcats 1st or 2nd in the East, be happy. If you have to have more than that then I suggest you change allegiances to, oh I don't know, OSU.
The balls on you.
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Posted: 12/2/2014 8:29 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
What, then, will be an acceptable record and achievements for this coming season?

What reasons will or will not be tolerated (schedule, penalties, injuries, etc)?

If we're so on the right track, what's the standard for next year?
This has been discussed over and over. The simple, KISS, answer is fans should be overjoyed with a consistent contender for the East Division. If the Bobcats can remain first or second in the East a MACC with eventually happen. So if we get to this point and see the Bobcats 1st or 2nd in the East, be happy. If you have to have more than that then I suggest you change allegiances to, oh I don't know, OSU.

Happy to be 2nd in the MAC East, this year prob the worst division in football. That's it? That's satisfactory? A MACC will "eventually happen." When--2037?

That is embarrassing.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 1:10 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
What, then, will be an acceptable record and achievements for this coming season?

What reasons will or will not be tolerated (schedule, penalties, injuries, etc)?

If we're so on the right track, what's the standard for next year?
This has been discussed over and over. The simple, KISS, answer is fans should be overjoyed with a consistent contender for the East Division. If the Bobcats can remain first or second in the East a MACC with eventually happen. So if we get to this point and see the Bobcats 1st or 2nd in the East, be happy. If you have to have more than that then I suggest you change allegiances to, oh I don't know, OSU.

Happy to be 2nd in the MAC East, this year prob the worst division in football. That's it? That's satisfactory? A MACC will "eventually happen." When--2037?

That is embarrassing.
What's embarrassing is that we have fans who want to fire one of the best coaches not only the MAC but in the country.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 2:19 AM
If you think that, then you have not been watching us for many years.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 2:27 AM
Do me a favor. Find the 'We Albin' thread that I started. I've listed there, as I recall, about ten or a dozen obvious things that we could do..could have done...that would likely have brought us better results.

Tell me how many of those things we tried...Tell me why we didn't try many/any in the face of rather stunning failure to win any of about the last dozen (13?) games we've played against MAC teams with an overall record of .500 or aboe.

There seems to be this concept that current staff is composed of totally solid, experienced coaches who have this deep well of theoretical knowledge. ....

Yeah, but the results on the field lately do not support that at all.
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Posted: 12/3/2014 4:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z36Xadupn5c


Just gonna leave this here....
Last Edited: 12/3/2014 4:40:15 AM by AudioCat'13
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