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bobcatsquared
10/11/2025 9:07 PM
Can anyone post a list of all of the former Bobcats that left Athens for Charlotte? Announcer today said Shea Taylor has been their best defender (although he sat out today's game) and Kaden Schmitz has been getting a lot of snaps at linebacker. I recall a couple of younger linebackers also following Albin down to Charlotte, Bowman and Startz. Who else am I'm missing?
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ohio9704
10/11/2025 9:12 PM
https://forums.ninernation.net/c/charlotte-49er-football/17


If you want to read up on where their fanbase is with Tim.
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greencat
10/12/2025 9:20 AM
ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
https://forums.ninernation.net/c/charlotte-49er-football/17


If you want to read up on where their fanbase is with Tim.
quote from that forum:

"I’m not optimistic but it has nothing to do with Tim. We’ve been a loser program for hoops and football for my entire adult life. It’s a cultural problem, not a coach problem."
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/12/2025 9:26 AM
I think that's right. Albin is a good coach.

But man did he pick an awful job. Played his hand here terribly; ended up with a small raise, sub-par resources, in a tougher conference, at a program with zero history of success or fan support.

I cant blame him for wanting to test himself at a different level, and trying to maximize his earnings. But it's very unclear how Charlotte presented those things, and there is no doubt that with patience and success here, he'd have ended up with better options eventually.
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greencat
10/12/2025 10:55 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I think that's right. Albin is a good coach.

But man did he pick an awful job. Played his hand here terribly; ended up with a small raise, sub-par resources, in a tougher conference, at a program with zero history of success or fan support.

I cant blame him for wanting to test himself at a different level, and trying to maximize his earnings. But it's very unclear how Charlotte presented those things, and there is no doubt that with patience and success here, he'd have ended up with better options eventually.
They hired a young rah-rah coach (Will Healy) to rally fan support and interest in the program but his coaching didn't live up to his hype and he was terminated in middle of a season. They need a coach that can be the face of the program like Healy but also coach the team. A tough combination to find.

Eddie George at BGSU is the exception. He rebuilt TSU which is in a bad part of a big city, so that was not a piece of cake. Now he is going to get it done at BG. Next stop for Eddie? NFL? Titans?
Last Edited: 10/12/2025 10:56:58 AM by greencat
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SBH
10/12/2025 1:55 PM
Eddie George (and Pudge?) could be one and gone if BG ends up with a winning record.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/17/2025 1:48 PM
Charlotte fired their AD today.

Funniest outcome would be them hiring Cromer.

But this probably ain't good news for Albin. Gonna have to have success quick, as ADs often want to put their stamp on things with hires in key sports.
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greencat
10/17/2025 2:45 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Charlotte fired their AD today.

Funniest outcome would be them hiring Cromer.

But this probably ain't good news for Albin. Gonna have to have success quick, as ADs often want to put their stamp on things with hires in key sports.
Chancellor Sharon L. Gaber: “He played a pivotal role in many important advances for our athletics department, including the move to the American Conference. His hiring of head football coach Tim Albin has also set us on a path toward success.


...The old passive aggressive kiss of death = dead man walking status. If her statement had been any more passive-aggressive, Lumberg from Office Space could have written it for her.
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OhioCatFan
10/17/2025 3:49 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Charlotte fired their AD today.

Funniest outcome would be them hiring Cromer.

But this probably ain't good news for Albin. Gonna have to have success quick, as ADs often want to put their stamp on things with hires in key sports.
I saw this on their board, and my take is that despite the official pronouncement this is a fire-the-guy-who-hired-the-bad-football-and-men's-basketball-coach move. I'm not saying that I consider TA a bad football coach. It's just that at least some of the natives appear restless in Charlotte, and I've seen this act before where the AD is fired to placate vocal alumni. I think most of the posters on their board are willing to give TA some time, but there are references there to "deep pocket" alumni who at least one poster thinks drove the decision. There are several posts saying that his move shortens Albin's leash, maybe to just two years rather than three to have a winning record. There are also a lot of posts expressing astonishment at the timing. Apparently, the AD's contract was fairly recently renewed, and UNCC has to pay him through the 2030 fiscal year. At the very least there are interesting times ahead at Charlotte.
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Mike Coleman
10/19/2025 8:39 AM
The craziest thing is they fired Hill in the middle of Homecoming week when he had a bunch of time scheduled with donors. Then they get absolutely killed by Temple. It is a full on disaster. I started off poking fun at all of this because I deep down figured Albin would turn it around, but now I have no idea. They are paying two former coaches, a former AD, and Albin’s buyout. How do they even get out of this?
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cbarber357
10/19/2025 10:25 AM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
The craziest thing is they fired Hill in the middle of Homecoming week when he had a bunch of time scheduled with donors. Then they get absolutely killed by Temple. It is a full on disaster. I started off poking fun at all of this because I deep down figured Albin would turn it around, but now I have no idea. They are paying two former coaches, a former AD, and Albin’s buyout. How do they even get out of this?
Drop football and try again in a few years like UAB?
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cc-cat
10/19/2025 11:40 AM
AD firing had little to do with the Albin hiring. There was internal issues with the way Biff was fired which impacted donor pledges for NIIL.

This was always a honeymoon year for Albin ad that hasn't changed. Three future games to keep an eye on. ECU this Noveber and the ECU and App St games next year. Those are the ones that matter most to students and alumni (many applied to all three schools). Needs to show team is on right track by those games next year. Program has always been poor, so fans have limited expectations, but want some equality vs. instate rivals.
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Mike Coleman
10/19/2025 8:56 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
AD firing had little to do with the Albin hiring. There was internal issues with the way Biff was fired which impacted donor pledges for NIIL.

This was always a honeymoon year for Albin ad that hasn't changed. Three future games to keep an eye on. ECU this Noveber and the ECU and App St games next year. Those are the ones that matter most to students and alumni (many applied to all three schools). Needs to show team is on right track by those games next year. Program has always been poor, so fans have limited expectations, but want some equality vs. instate rivals.
Thanks for the insight.

I read where UNCC will pay Hill $420,000 per year through 2030. That’s a pretty big chunk of change, so some Charlotte boosters must be holding quite a bit of NIL money on the sidelines for the school to make that move.
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M.D.W.S.T
10/19/2025 9:00 PM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
AD firing had little to do with the Albin hiring. There was internal issues with the way Biff was fired which impacted donor pledges for NIIL.

This was always a honeymoon year for Albin ad that hasn't changed. Three future games to keep an eye on. ECU this Noveber and the ECU and App St games next year. Those are the ones that matter most to students and alumni (many applied to all three schools). Needs to show team is on right track by those games next year. Program has always been poor, so fans have limited expectations, but want some equality vs. instate rivals.
Thanks for the insight.

I read where UNCC will pay Hill $420,000 per year through 2030. That’s a pretty big chunk of change, so some Charlotte boosters must be holding quite a bit of NIL money on the sidelines for the school to make that move.
I really gotta get one of these gigs where they pay you a couple million dollars just to go away.
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OhioCatFan
10/20/2025 10:13 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
AD firing had little to do with the Albin hiring. There was internal issues with the way Biff was fired which impacted donor pledges for NIIL.

This was always a honeymoon year for Albin ad that hasn't changed. Three future games to keep an eye on. ECU this Noveber and the ECU and App St games next year. Those are the ones that matter most to students and alumni (many applied to all three schools). Needs to show team is on right track by those games next year. Program has always been poor, so fans have limited expectations, but want some equality vs. instate rivals.
Thanks for the insight.

I read where UNCC will pay Hill $420,000 per year through 2030. That’s a pretty big chunk of change, so some Charlotte boosters must be holding quite a bit of NIL money on the sidelines for the school to make that move.
I really gotta get one of these gigs where they pay you a couple million dollars just to go away.
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become. I think over the next decade we are due for a paradigm shift. I don't have any idea what direction that will take, but I just don't see the current one lasting too much longer.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/20/2025 10:32 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.
What's the scam, exactly?
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OhioCatFan
10/20/2025 11:48 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.
What's the scam, exactly?
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/20/2025 12:55 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
Getting paid based on a contract you signed is literally the exact opposite of a scam.

I think there are all manner of inefficient markets. College football headcoaches are unquestionably one of those. But the schools are the ones choosing who to hire, and choosing to pay people not to work.

Fail to see what's dishonest about that or where the 'scam' comes in. You think James Franklin wouldn't prefer to still be at Penn State?
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OhioCatFan
10/20/2025 1:12 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
Getting paid based on a contract you signed is literally the exact opposite of a scam.

I think there are all manner of inefficient markets. College football headcoaches are unquestionably one of those. But the schools are the ones choosing who to hire, and choosing to pay people not to work.

Fail to see what's dishonest about that or where the 'scam' comes in. You think James Franklin wouldn't prefer to still be at Penn State?
You are using too narrow of a definition of scam. It's a societal level scam, not a scam perpetuated by an individual or one institution.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/20/2025 1:33 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
Getting paid based on a contract you signed is literally the exact opposite of a scam.

I think there are all manner of inefficient markets. College football headcoaches are unquestionably one of those. But the schools are the ones choosing who to hire, and choosing to pay people not to work.

Fail to see what's dishonest about that or where the 'scam' comes in. You think James Franklin wouldn't prefer to still be at Penn State?
You are using too narrow of a definition of scam. It's a societal level scam, not a scam perpetuated by an individual or one institution.
Oh, I see. My fault for assuming you were using the word scam correctly. Makes perfect sense now that you've redefined the word scam to make your first post make sense.

Honestly man, I have no idea what you're talking about. I said nothing about this being perpetuated by an "individual or institution" -- and my definition of scam is in no way tied to an individual or institution. In fact, I referred to "college football headcoaches" plural.
Last Edited: 10/20/2025 1:38:23 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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OhioCatFan
10/20/2025 1:51 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
Getting paid based on a contract you signed is literally the exact opposite of a scam.

I think there are all manner of inefficient markets. College football headcoaches are unquestionably one of those. But the schools are the ones choosing who to hire, and choosing to pay people not to work.

Fail to see what's dishonest about that or where the 'scam' comes in. You think James Franklin wouldn't prefer to still be at Penn State?
You are using too narrow of a definition of scam. It's a societal level scam, not a scam perpetuated by an individual or one institution.
Oh, I see. My fault for assuming you were using the word scam correctly. Makes perfect sense now that you've redefined the word scam to make your first post make sense.

Honestly man, I have no idea what you're talking about. I said nothing about this being perpetuated by an "individual or institution" -- and my definition of scam is in no way tied to an individual or institution. In fact, I referred to "college football headcoaches" plural.
Whatever!
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/20/2025 2:29 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Whatever!
Sorry for scamming you!
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mf279801
10/21/2025 8:21 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.
What's the scam, exactly?
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
An institution such as Penn State has multiple options to avoid paying $57,000,000 in dead money for James Franklin not to coach. They just chose not to exercise any of them.

1) They could have let Franklin coach out the remaining years on the contract. Voila: NO DEAD MONEY

2) They could use annual contracts. Sure, they'd probably have to take a MUCH bigger budget hit each year (bigger salary in exchange for little/no security), but they wouldn't have any dead money

3) [Somewhat less sarcastic] they could trying to negotiate paying him less money each year for more years (e.g. instead of 8 million/year for 7 years, 4 million/year for 20 years, numbers made up). This wouldn't reduce the total amount of dead money, but it would reduce the annual impact...until they fire their next coach in less than 20 years
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cc-cat
10/22/2025 9:58 AM
limited scamming. Penn state is not going to pay him remotely that much. as is normal any compensation due is offset by earnings from a new job. so for example if he is due $12 a year and gets a coaching position paying $8 million they only owe $4 million that year. additionally he has a clause that requires him to vigorously pursue employment and to prove that he is doing so. he has already stated he wants to coach and is rumored a candidate for multiple jobs. l
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/22/2025 10:20 AM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
It's quite the scam, but that's what college athletics has become.
What's the scam, exactly?
It's a legal scam, but getting paid $57 million for not working when you were lousy at your last job is not exactly what I'd call making an honest living. I know you believe that the market rules all and is somewhat sacrosanct, so I guess our opinions will differ. No big deal.
An institution such as Penn State has multiple options to avoid paying $57,000,000 in dead money for James Franklin not to coach. They just chose not to exercise any of them.

1) They could have let Franklin coach out the remaining years on the contract. Voila: NO DEAD MONEY

2) They could use annual contracts. Sure, they'd probably have to take a MUCH bigger budget hit each year (bigger salary in exchange for little/no security), but they wouldn't have any dead money

3) [Somewhat less sarcastic] they could trying to negotiate paying him less money each year for more years (e.g. instead of 8 million/year for 7 years, 4 million/year for 20 years, numbers made up). This wouldn't reduce the total amount of dead money, but it would reduce the annual impact...until they fire their next coach in less than 20 years
I'd add:

4) They -- and other college football programs -- could actually use program revenue to pay their coaches and run their operations in a sustainable way instead of using donor money to increase coaching salaries. Doing so 1) artificially inflates the market rates going to coaches, and 2) gives donors outsized power in coaching decisions.

There's a reason college coaches negotiate such aggressive guarantees and buyouts -- because there's basically no job security or patience amongst elite college football programs. Donors paying for coaches is a big part of that. It's also a very big part of how schools pay the buyouts.
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