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Topic: WHY ISN'T THAT US...WHY AREN'T WE IN THERE?!
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OhioCatFan
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:03 AM
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Monroe's use of the word "Unacceptable" in a post in this thread gave me a brilliant idea: He should team up with my old buddy Chuck Landon and write a comprehensive evaluation and comparison of the OHIO and Marshall programs. We could call it the Eastern Ohio Valley Football Extra.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:47 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
I don't think Frank would ever measure his success by looking at Knorr or Cleve or Lichty. I'm sure he compares his program with NIU/Toledo/BG as any successful person would do.

I'm sure he does. On the other hand, obviously it is easier to win at a school with a rich tradition than one that doesn't have such a tradition. There are a variety of reason for that. One is that programs with a rich tradition are easier places to recruit to. Another is facilities. A third is resources.

The history is important, not as a comparison point, but for context, as a way of understanding how you got where you are, and why you are there.
Solich has the support he needs with Schaus and McDavis. 10 years in, that history is no longer all that relevant.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 11:53 AM
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Guys...we all know how bad OHIO FB was back in the wilderness days. We all also know that FS & Co. took OHIO to a MACC game not that long ago. Since then, we are just a middle of the road 6th or 7th best/worst team in the MAC. We had a chance to become the program NIU has become. We just never really responded after blowing the NIU game and we have not played in Championship fashion since for whatever reason/excuse.

I just hope we get back on track next year!
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:50 PM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Solich has the support he needs with Schaus and McDavis. 10 years in, that history is no longer all that relevant.

I would agree that with each passing year, it becomes less relevant. Hopefully, someday it will be not relevant at all. BTW, here's a funny piece making comparisons to the past:
http://tinyurl.com/kjwzcp8
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Posted: 12/8/2014 2:59 PM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
I don't think Frank would ever measure his success by looking at Knorr or Cleve or Lichty. I'm sure he compares his program with NIU/Toledo/BG as any successful person would do.

I'm sure he does. On the other hand, obviously it is easier to win at a school with a rich tradition than one that doesn't have such a tradition. There are a variety of reason for that. One is that programs with a rich tradition are easier places to recruit to. Another is facilities. A third is resources.

The history is important, not as a comparison point, but for context, as a way of understanding how you got where you are, and why you are there.
Solich has the support he needs with Schaus and McDavis. 10 years in, that history is no longer all that relevant.
How does it go? He who is not a student of history is doomed to repeat it.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 4:22 PM
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Why do you insist that we are doomed to repeat no MACC?

UNACCEPTABLE.



hint: icaninsistonrealityaslongasyoucanavoidit.
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Posted: 12/8/2014 9:47 PM
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Many are assuming that the normal and expected course for a college coaching staff is continued improvement either gradually or in spurts. So if a coach is in his 10th year, his program should be winning more than ever.

Is this the correct assumption?

My thesis is that this tends to be true more in the Power 5 conferences, but isn't as true in the Group of 5. I think the most common pattern at a Group of 5 school is to go in cycles...starting off slow, building to a couple of great seasons with a group of upperclassmen, then back to less wins but again building up to another couple of great seasons.

Hard to get data for this because you don't usually see coaches with 10 year tenures in the Group of 5. But what has been the normal outcomes for coaches on this level?
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Posted: 12/8/2014 10:21 PM
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Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
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My thesis is that this tends to be true more in the Power 5 conferences, but isn't as true in the Group of 5. I think the most common pattern at a Group of 5 school is to go in cycles...starting off slow, building to a couple of great seasons with a group of upperclassmen, then back to less wins but again building up to another couple of great seasons. ...

This is the normal pattern in the P5 as well. You see is more clearly there because coaches do stay for more than 5 years at a time fairly often.
Last Edited: 12/8/2014 10:22:16 PM by L.C.
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