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Posted: 12/6/2014 3:04 PM
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Glad it wasn't us in there last night. I think we have a better D than BG but the outcome likely would've been similar. NIU had a mission -- to put up style points for the selection committee. I'd much rather have our guys feeling good about beating Fiami than licking their wounds after getting the sh*t kicked out of them on national TV.
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. . . . NIU had a mission -- to put up style points for the selection committee. . . .
This is true -- also NIU had a revenge motive in that it was BG that knocked them out of the BCS Bowl last year by pulling a big upset in the MACC.
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Amazing 5 year run for NIU (with 1 to play)-

57-12 Overall

38-2 Conference games
3-2 v CMU
35-0 v every other MAC team

14-6 Non Conference games
5-6 v P5
4-0 v G5
5-0 v FCS

2-2 Bowl games

3-2 MAC Championship games

and that's with 3 different head coaches. Well done Huskies.
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Wow anybody hear Saul after the Bball game? He said he did not come to ohio to beat up on a bunch of weak teams. He then said his players needed to play better against good teams. Did not want to single out any player but said they had more data to help them improve. Good for him.
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Wow anybody hear Saul after the Bball game? He said he did not come to ohio to beat up on a bunch of weak teams. He then said his players needed to play better against good teams. Did not want to single out any player but said they had more data to help them improve. Good for him.

+1 I liked that quote also. Saul's going to be a very good coach for OHIO. I think we'll see this team improve as the year goes along. It make take another year or two before he's got all the players he needs to have a truly good team. Though I think he'll get the most out of any group of players he has including this years crew.
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Peoples and TV loves the OHIO.

It should've been us.
It is not us because we can't recruit. Roger Lewis was a guy we stayed with through all of his issues and he rejected a program with ten years of consistency of HC and coordinators and no championships and decided to go with a program with a new unproven HC in a program that wins MAC Championships. Says a lot about what folks think of us. We are a fanbase that gets excited to go 6-6 with wins over crap like Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, Idaho, and FCS crap. We will not win a MACC because we except a garbage season like this one and make excuses to justify it. Then, we reference how we are so lucky due to how it use to be, with no vision of how we should want it to be.
Did you notice that Ohio, without RL gave NIU a much better game than did BGSU. Check out how BG finished, L3, Ohio is trending better. Young folks, is that a correct usage of trending? Ask the NIU coach when he played the best team in the East, he will probably say on Nov 18th on a freezing evening in Athens.
Doesn't matter. When we lined up against BG, at home, they took it to us. We lost, they won, period. BG went undefeated against the MAC East. We did not. It's not what you do for part of the season, it's what you do for all of it. The MACC berth rewards teams from their respective divisions for their entire body of work, not what they did during a given two or three game stretch. BG was the best team in the East from start to finish and there was no doubt about it. They won out. End of story. That said, the West is much better than the East and five of the six West teams are probably better than any of the East teams. This used to be the case in MAC basketball up until last year where the East had far superior teams than the West. It's just the way it is sometimes.
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Peoples and TV loves the OHIO.

It should've been us.
It is not us because we can't recruit. Roger Lewis was a guy we stayed with through all of his issues and he rejected a program with ten years of consistency of HC and coordinators and no championships and decided to go with a program with a new unproven HC in a program that wins MAC Championships. Says a lot about what folks think of us. We are a fanbase that gets excited to go 6-6 with wins over crap like Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, Idaho, and FCS crap. We will not win a MACC because we except a garbage season like this one and make excuses to justify it. Then, we reference how we are so lucky due to how it use to be, with no vision of how we should want it to be.
Did you notice that Ohio, without RL gave NIU a much better game than did BGSU. Check out how BG finished, L3, Ohio is trending better. Young folks, is that a correct usage of trending? Ask the NIU coach when he played the best team in the East, he will probably say on Nov 18th on a freezing evening in Athens.
Doesn't matter. When we lined up against BG, at home, they took it to us. We lost, they won, period. BG went undefeated against the MAC East. We did not. It's not what you do for part of the season, it's what you do for all of it. The MACC berth rewards teams from their respective divisions for their entire body of work, not what they did during a given two or three game stretch. BG was the best team in the East from start to finish and there was no doubt about it. They won out. End of story. That said, the West is much better than the East and five of the six West teams are probably better than any of the East teams. This used to be the case in MAC basketball up until last year where the East had far superior teams than the West. It's just the way it is sometimes.
BG didn't take it to Ohio, Ohio took it to Ohio. 500+ yds of offense and only 1 TD? 150+ yds of penalties, many of them drive killers? We couldn't get out of our own way.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 1:38 AM
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Amazing 5 year run for NIU (with 1 to play)-

57-12 Overall

38-2 Conference games
3-2 v CMU
35-0 v every other MAC team

14-6 Non Conference games
5-6 v P5
4-0 v G5
5-0 v FCS

2-2 Bowl games

3-2 MAC Championship games

and that's with 3 different head coaches. Well done Huskies.
For those who've suggested that we're on a par with NIU....
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Peoples and TV loves the OHIO.

It should've been us.
It is not us because we can't recruit. Roger Lewis was a guy we stayed with through all of his issues and he rejected a program with ten years of consistency of HC and coordinators and no championships and decided to go with a program with a new unproven HC in a program that wins MAC Championships. Says a lot about what folks think of us. We are a fanbase that gets excited to go 6-6 with wins over crap like Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, Idaho, and FCS crap. We will not win a MACC because we except a garbage season like this one and make excuses to justify it. Then, we reference how we are so lucky due to how it use to be, with no vision of how we should want it to be.
Did you notice that Ohio, without RL gave NIU a much better game than did BGSU. Check out how BG finished, L3, Ohio is trending better. Young folks, is that a correct usage of trending? Ask the NIU coach when he played the best team in the East, he will probably say on Nov 18th on a freezing evening in Athens.
Doesn't matter. When we lined up against BG, at home, they took it to us. We lost, they won, period. BG went undefeated against the MAC East. We did not. It's not what you do for part of the season, it's what you do for all of it. The MACC berth rewards teams from their respective divisions for their entire body of work, not what they did during a given two or three game stretch. BG was the best team in the East from start to finish and there was no doubt about it. They won out. End of story. That said, the West is much better than the East and five of the six West teams are probably better than any of the East teams. This used to be the case in MAC basketball up until last year where the East had far superior teams than the West. It's just the way it is sometimes.
BG didn't take it to Ohio, Ohio took it to Ohio. 500+ yds of offense and only 1 TD? 150+ yds of penalties, many of them drive killers? We couldn't get out of our own way.
We were down 14-0 before we even knew what hit us. BG controlled the game from the opening kickoff until the end. We never threatened. They opened the game by mowing through us and went right down the field and scored a TD, then converted a turnover into another TD. They then played soft coverage on us between the 20's all game long tightening towards the redzone. Our only TD came after the game was in hand after they were flagged for a personal foul that would have stopped that drive too. They didn't destroy us like last year but they owned us again. And before we make the excuse about not having Vick, they've played all year with a backup QB unlike us who got ours back. If we would've won this game, we'd have been MAC East Champs at the end. But we didn't. End of story.
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Peoples and TV loves the OHIO.

It should've been us.
It is not us because we can't recruit. Roger Lewis was a guy we stayed with through all of his issues and he rejected a program with ten years of consistency of HC and coordinators and no championships and decided to go with a program with a new unproven HC in a program that wins MAC Championships. Says a lot about what folks think of us. We are a fanbase that gets excited to go 6-6 with wins over crap like Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, Idaho, and FCS crap. We will not win a MACC because we except a garbage season like this one and make excuses to justify it. Then, we reference how we are so lucky due to how it use to be, with no vision of how we should want it to be.
Did you notice that Ohio, without RL gave NIU a much better game than did BGSU. Check out how BG finished, L3, Ohio is trending better. Young folks, is that a correct usage of trending? Ask the NIU coach when he played the best team in the East, he will probably say on Nov 18th on a freezing evening in Athens.
Doesn't matter. When we lined up against BG, at home, they took it to us. We lost, they won, period. BG went undefeated against the MAC East. We did not. It's not what you do for part of the season, it's what you do for all of it. The MACC berth rewards teams from their respective divisions for their entire body of work, not what they did during a given two or three game stretch. BG was the best team in the East from start to finish and there was no doubt about it. They won out. End of story. That said, the West is much better than the East and five of the six West teams are probably better than any of the East teams. This used to be the case in MAC basketball up until last year where the East had far superior teams than the West. It's just the way it is sometimes.
BG didn't take it to Ohio, Ohio took it to Ohio. 500+ yds of offense and only 1 TD? 150+ yds of penalties, many of them drive killers? We couldn't get out of our own way.
We were down 14-0 before we even knew what hit us. BG controlled the game from the opening kickoff until the end. We never threatened. They opened the game by mowing through us and went right down the field and scored a TD, then converted a turnover into another TD. They then played soft coverage on us between the 20's all game long tightening towards the redzone. Our only TD came after the game was in hand after they were flagged for a personal foul that would have stopped that drive too. They didn't destroy us like last year but they owned us again. And before we make the excuse about not having Vick, they've played all year with a backup QB unlike us who got ours back. If we would've won this game, we'd have been MAC East Champs at the end. But we didn't. End of story.
What you have writed here is obvious, reality and true.

Therefore, expect to get huge pushback.
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Posted: 12/7/2014 4:30 PM
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Excuse me while I whip this out.
"it's twue, it's twue"
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. . .For those who've suggested that we're on a par with NIU....
What a strawman. You really like to quote other people out of context and then say how they were wrong. I don't recall anyone saying that we were as good as NIU. I do recall folks saying, correctly, that we had made great improvement and that we played a good game against NIU. Some then speculated that given our current trajectory we might be able to become like NIU. But nobody in his or her right mind would say that we are currently on par with NIU. You, my dear Bobcat friend, have seem to think that repetition is the equivalent of sound argumentation. L.C., on the other hand, always brings fresh analysis to the table; and, when this analysis shows that a previous position of his was wrong, he openly admits the same. There are others on this board who do likewise. You would be wise to learn from them. Monroe, I truly appreciated your contributions to this board. You are a loyal alumnus and OHIO fan. I've even called you on occasion our Certified Pigskin Analyst; however, your current campaign to discredit Frank and his program is a discredit to you. Go OIHO!
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I'm quite certain that there have been those this year who more or less pointed to us and NIU as the class of the MAC over the last handful or so of years.

That is to put us where we have no business at all.

I stand by my postage.
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I hazard a guess: over the last 31 games we are 15-16, I believe. And, using his own system situation shows us ranked in the 90s (hardly a good program). We were just not very good this year. Then, you look at the last 15 wins and tell me what our best win is?

Hey, I think monroe and I and others just thought we'd be better than this by year 10. It's that simple.
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I hazard a guess: over the last 31 games we are 15-16, I believe. And, using his own system situation shows us ranked in the 90s (hardly a good program). We were just not very good this year. Then, you look at the last 15 wins and tell me what our best win is?

Hey, I think monroe and I and others just thought we'd be better than this by year 10. It's that simple.
Casper71. Ten years ago Ohio was the worst football program in the MAC, Any argument? Now, at this point, since Coach Solich Ohio has accomplished a great deal, wins, bowls, bowl wins, signature wins. Any argument? NIU has been better, CMU has been good too. However, they are not were they were 10 years ago either. Do you get it yet? Credit to them, they work hard too. While Ohio has gotten much better the other good programs have been getting better too. Credit to them. Any argument? Ohio is a good MAC program, respected by every other MAC program. Down years used to be 1 win, with Solich down years became 4 wins and now six wins. Damn, at Ohio a down year means bowl eligible and the natives are restless. Is this Ohio or Nebraska? The lows are higher and the highs will continue to go higher also. Trust me.
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Ten years ago Ohio was the worst football program in the MAC, Any argument?
Yes. Buffalo, Western Michigan, UCF, and possibly Ball State were worse.
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Ten years ago Ohio was the worst football program in the MAC, Any argument?
Yes. Buffalo, Western Michigan, UCF, and possibly Ball State were worse.
Ohio was the worst program in 1994. It was a lower middle MAC program in 2004.
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Sorry. Ten years in the 'we're no longer the worst' thought line doesn't do anything but make those who express such an opinion sadsacks who are willing to tolerate the UNACCEPTABLE.
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Ten years ago Ohio was the worst football program in the MAC, Any argument?
Yes. Buffalo, Western Michigan, UCF, and possibly Ball State were worse.

Winning percentages, MAC games only, 2001-2004:

Buffalo 4-26, .133
Ohio 7-23, .233
EMU 7-22, .241
CMU 7-22, .241
WMU 9-20, .310
UCF, 8-16, .333
Ball St, 11-13, .458

If you just look at 2004 only, WMU, UCF, and Ball State were 0-8, while Ohio was 2-6.
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Ten years ago Ohio was the worst football program in the MAC, Any argument?
Yes. Buffalo, Western Michigan, UCF, and possibly Ball State were worse.
Ohio was the worst program in 1994. It was a lower middle MAC program in 2004.
Sorry, too specific. Can I say when Solich was hired Ohio was playing at the level of the worst in the MAC?
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Sorry. Ten years in the 'we're no longer the worst' thought line doesn't do anything but make those who express such an opinion sadsacks who are willing to tolerate the UNACCEPTABLE.
At least this post is without the usual misinformation. Monroe, I get it, down years to .500 and bowl eligibility are unacceptable. Second in the East is unacceptable. Being respected and competitive is unacceptable. You know how that sounds? Well you do not speak for Ohio fans. Thank God.
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Ten years ago Ohio was the worst football program in the MAC, Any argument?
Yes. Buffalo, Western Michigan, UCF, and possibly Ball State were worse.
Ohio was the worst program in 1994. It was a lower middle MAC program in 2004.
Sorry, too specific. Can I say when Solich was hired Ohio was playing at the level of the worst in the MAC?
I don't think Frank would ever measure his success by looking at Knorr or Cleve or Lichty. I'm sure he compares his program with NIU/Toledo/BG as any successful person would do.
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I don't think Frank would ever measure his success by looking at Knorr or Cleve or Lichty. I'm sure he compares his program with NIU/Toledo/BG as any successful person would do.

I'm sure he does. On the other hand, obviously it is easier to win at a school with a rich tradition than one that doesn't have such a tradition. There are a variety of reason for that. One is that programs with a rich tradition are easier places to recruit to. Another is facilities. A third is resources.

The history is important, not as a comparison point, but for context, as a way of understanding how you got where you are, and why you are there.
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Sorry. Ten years in the 'we're no longer the worst' thought line doesn't do anything but make those who express such an opinion sadsacks who are willing to tolerate the UNACCEPTABLE.
At least this post is without the usual misinformation. Monroe, I get it, down years to .500 and bowl eligibility are unacceptable. Second in the East is unacceptable. Being respected and competitive is unacceptable. You know how that sounds? Well you do not speak for Ohio fans. Thank God.
He actually is an Ohio fan, so he has a leg up here.
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Sorry. Ten years in the 'we're no longer the worst' thought line doesn't do anything but make those who express such an opinion sadsacks who are willing to tolerate the UNACCEPTABLE.
At least this post is without the usual misinformation. Monroe, I get it, down years to .500 and bowl eligibility are unacceptable. Second in the East is unacceptable. Being respected and competitive is unacceptable. You know how that sounds? Well you do not speak for Ohio fans. Thank God.
He actually is an Ohio fan, so he has a leg up here.
Well other fans are speaking out in support of the program, see the new IPF, Academic Center and conference leading attendance. Those are my indications of how Ohio fans feel.
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