Independent = Wikipedia. Perhaps the SID could edit the site.
No doubt he could. He could also edit his own records. Which one is right?
One is the official Ohio record, which is also reflected in the official MAC Record Book so until someone makes the SID change it I will say 539-541-48. Fight a duel over it, no, congratulate the team that goes from here to an overall winning record, yes.
Well, I hate to say this, but if you add up the year by year records in the Media guide, you will find that you actually get 538-541-48. Similarly, if you add up the coaches from the media guide, you will also get 538-541-48.
Now, Wikipedia is quite confused. The page I linked to shows 537-542-48, a difference of one game from the Ohio Media guide. However, if you click on Ohio on that page, you get this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Bobcats_football At the top it says that Ohio is 532-534-48, which doesn't include last year, so it would be 538-540-48, a slightly different number. Then, as if that weren't enough, if you page down to the coach-by-coach results, it says at the bottom that Ohio is 530-535-48, but adding in last year, you are 536-541-48, a different number yet. For even more fun, add up their numbers for coaches, and you get 532-535-47, which, including last year gives you 538-541-47. That last one nearly matches the Ohio Media Guide, save for the record of Karl Cove in 1900, where Wiki is missing a tie.
So, thus far we have:
539-541-48 your number from the Media guide
538-541-48 what you get if you add up the records in the media guide
537-542-48 The number on the first wiki page I linked to
538-540-48 the (adjusted) number at the top of the second wiki page
536-541-48 the (adjusetd) number at the bottom of the second wiki page
538-541-47 the (adjusted) sum of the records of the coaches in the wiki
Not confused yet? OK, now let's try to find actual games that are in dispute, rather than addition errors. Let's compare year by year the Ohio Media Guide with the CFB Data Warehouse to find them. cfbdatawarehouse shows the following games that the Ohio Media guide does not show:
1896 - a second game with Marietta on 11-13-1896, a 22-6 loss
1901 - a loss to the Deaf-Mute Institute 34-0
1902 - a second game with Marietta, a 22-0 loss
1903 - a loss to West Virginia Wesleyan on 11-23-03 by the score of 15-7 (but this game may have been the Ohio JV)
They also show different results in two games:
1898 - Ohio Media Guide claims a 12-12 tie versus UC. UC claims a 12-0 win in their media guide. cfbdatawarehouse accepts the UC version
1915 - Ohio media guide claims a 5-0 win over Transylvania in a game played 9-25-1915 in Lexington, while cfbdatawarehouse shows a Transylvania win 16-0.
So, if you take the 538-541-48 record that the Media guide really adds up to, change one win to a loss, and a tie to a loss, and then add 4 more losses, you get 537-547-47, which is what cfbdatawarehouse shows.
Personally I'd just ignore all the goofy numbers on wikipedia, and start with 538-541-48, and then try to resolve these 6 disputed games to get the real record. Best case Ohio is 538-541-48, and worst case they are 537-547-47, but probably they are somewhere in between.
Last Edited: 8/10/2015 11:20:36 PM by L.C.