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Mark Lembright '85
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Posted: 9/4/2015 7:10 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Does anyone think maybe we weren't showing everything defensively to save it for Marshall?
Ding-ding-ding we have a winner!
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Posted: 9/4/2015 7:10 PM
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Does anyone think maybe we weren't showing everything defensively to save it for Marshall?

Ohio used an awful lot of stuff on defense, so no, not really. I just think Idaho has a pretty decent offense, and did a good job on their short passing game. Think about it - pretty much every short pass was on the money, and the passes were rarely, if ever, dropped. Most of Linehan's incompletions were on his long pass attempts, and his one poorly thrown short pass was tipped and intercepted. Still, even with all his completions he only averaged 6 yards per attempt, which is not very good. While he completed the passes, Ohio usually had pretty good coverage, and was on the receivers quickly.

Most of Idaho's drives would have failed had then not gone for it on 4th down, and almost always succeeded. That was the part that drove me crazy. Had they been a more reasonable 3 of 6 on fourth down instead of 5 of 6 they would have had 14 less points, and the defense would have seemed much better. Ohio definitely needs to work on it's defense on 4th down or a lot of teams will try that. That's #1 in my book in the list of things they need to improve at between game #1 and game #2.

In retrospect, the Idaho writer was dead on to question Idaho's vertical passing game. It sucks, to be honest. Maybe that's why Petrino was so touchy about the question.

As for Marshall, I do think that the mix of what they use will be much different against them. Marshall was very, very effective against Ohio's Cover-4 defense last year, because they had a very effective vertical passing attack. Even with Cato gone, I have concern about this game.
Last Edited: 9/4/2015 7:14:09 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 7:19 PM
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Even the announcers saw it and called us on it...against these spread offenses you are going to have big problems if you put LB types on a wideout. We did that ALL night. Can we please change things up.

Second, it is good the game was over at 21-0. After that, they won the scoreboard 28-24? We didn't play that good on defense and we will see better offenses! Thank God the offense rang up a few points.
Technically yes you're right Ohio was out scored after the 1st quarter but OK. That's the nature of every game, isn't it? Rarely does a team win every quarter 20-0 or something like that. It's the entirety of the 4 quarters that count, not hand-selected segments. I mean, but for a quarter and a half Utah State was convincingly beating Ohio in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl. OK, what did that get them? As coaches Lombardi and Herman Edwards have said, "you play to win the game!" Nothing else matters.

That being said, the defense does need to shore things up a bit...... ;)
Last Edited: 9/4/2015 8:43:23 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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Posted: 9/5/2015 12:54 AM
Yes, Sir, Jeff, I do.

Some on here don't give our coaches much credit for strategic thinking.
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Posted: 9/5/2015 4:11 AM
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Yes, Sir, Jeff, I do.

Some on here don't give our coaches much credit for strategic thinking.

Hello!

We give them certain credit.

But the very criticism that people throw against we armchair qb's--that we don't know squat about football--is what, ironically, gives our criticism weight.

We armchair guys with or limited knowledge see basic stuff that's not being done...even during the last 2.5 years of rather bad ball...and wonder how we amateurs can see the obvious but the coaching staff apparently can't.

We've put up many 'it's obvious' comments on these boards so I won't enumerate here. The volume and consistency of the basics that have been overlooked are kind of sad. We who state these overlooked items get no pleasure in pointing them out. We're trying to help a situation that has needed help over the last 2.5 years.


For those who are peeved at our comments, it seems to me that a wise person looks beyond their initial anger and evaluates to see if the comments are valid.
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Posted: 9/5/2015 8:04 AM
The ESPN replays really help. So much better than the radio coverage. Totally different perspective. O Line, on both TDs #7/#21 the comment was the same; "this is entirely too easy." Credit OL. I noticed during Patterson's drive the left side was #65,#75 & #54. Right was #57 & 79. At that point the Ohio starters were still popping with very good movement while Idaho's DL appeared totally gassed. Credit strength and conditioning. Altitude, no effect. Across the board, Ohio better prepared. For Idaho; Epps, Penny, Linehan and their D front seven are better than they showed. Given Ohio's coaches they could be a whole lot better. JMHO. Next week will be totally different. Back against a team that will expect to win, with better athletes who will be better coached. Oh, #57, sooo glad to see him back. Defense. Wish there was a replay of Bass vs Penny. Ints by by #51 & #35. Good tackling, 12 solo by QP. I know the D is disappointed by the points allowed. They will have to credit; Linehan, Epps And Penny, some good players for Idaho.
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Posted: 9/5/2015 10:45 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
We won. Did what we had to. We seem clearly better than last year. Seem to have depth.

So, maybe this will turn out to be quibbling, but: no pass rush and let them hit a ton of wide open receivers. I don't think Idaho's offense is that good. It worries me if we play that way against a good offense. And, the d-line didn't stop 'em at the goal line when had to.

It was better than last year, no doubt. Was it compelling or crisp/crackling. Not so much.
Monroe. Re: Offensive & Defensive Game Balls. What do you think OL + their coach?
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Posted: 9/5/2015 10:49 AM
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... O Line, on both TDs #7/#21 the comment was the same; "this is entirely too easy." Credit OL. I noticed during Patterson's drive the left side was #65,#75 & #54. Right was #57 & 79. At that point the Ohio starters were still popping with very good movement while Idaho's DL appeared totally gassed. Credit strength and conditioning. Altitude, no effect....

After the game, Petrino said "I thought our D-Line was going to have an advantage versus their O-Line and that was not the case.” I think that's an oversimplification. Early in the game, their D-line played very well. They were doing a good job of stopping OUellette, and they were getting pressure on Vick, including a sack and a sack-fumble. The longer the game went on, the less that was the case, and by the fourth quarter Ohio's offensive line was firmly in control. On Ohio's final two drives they ran a combined 12 running plays and 2 passes, and the running plays averaged about 7 yards a carry, and 8 of the 12 went for 4 yards or more.

The interesting thing is that on the last two drives of the game, Ohio ran the ball 12 of 14 times, or 86% of the time. On the first two drives, Ohio ran the ball 3 of 10 plays, or 30% of the time. At the start, Idaho was focused on stopping AJ, which they did, but they gave up big passing yardage. Once Idaho adjusted and was covering the passes, their defensive line was tiring, so Ohio ran it at them.
Last Edited: 9/5/2015 10:57:15 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/5/2015 12:58 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
... O Line, on both TDs #7/#21 the comment was the same; "this is entirely too easy." Credit OL. I noticed during Patterson's drive the left side was #65,#75 & #54. Right was #57 & 79. At that point the Ohio starters were still popping with very good movement while Idaho's DL appeared totally gassed. Credit strength and conditioning. Altitude, no effect....

After the game, Petrino said "I thought our D-Line was going to have an advantage versus their O-Line and that was not the case.” I think that's an oversimplification. Early in the game, their D-line played very well. They were doing a good job of stopping OUellette, and they were getting pressure on Vick, including a sack and a sack-fumble. The longer the game went on, the less that was the case, and by the fourth quarter Ohio's offensive line was firmly in control. On Ohio's final two drives they ran a combined 12 running plays and 2 passes, and the running plays averaged about 7 yards a carry, and 8 of the 12 went for 4 yards or more.

The interesting thing is that on the last two drives of the game, Ohio ran the ball 12 of 14 times, or 86% of the time. On the first two drives, Ohio ran the ball 3 of 10 plays, or 30% of the time. At the start, Idaho was focused on stopping AJ, which they did, but they gave up big passing yardage. Once Idaho adjusted and was covering the passes, their defensive line was tiring, so Ohio ran it at them.
In the 2nd qtr. I was questioning the liberal substitution by Ohio. But I believe it paid off at the end of the game, as LC pointed out above.
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