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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:30 AM
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There were a lot of options on both sides of the ball,tonight, but I'm going to go with Brendan Cope and Nathan Carpenter. Cope in particular impressed me tonight. Besides the 4 rec for 129 and a TD, I also saw him a maintaining a block down field on a few big gains.

Now hopefully Jovon's injury isn't ad bad as it sounded in Arkleys tweet.

https://twitter.com/jasonamessenger/status/63963865963803...
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:42 AM
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I'd give it to Poling on D. 12 tackles. 2 sacks.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:50 AM
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We won. Did what we had to. We seem clearly better than last year. Seem to have depth.

So, maybe this will turn out to be quibbling, but: no pass rush and let them hit a ton of wide open receivers. I don't think Idaho's offense is that good. It worries me if we play that way against a good offense. And, the d-line didn't stop 'em at the goal line when had to.

It was better than last year, no doubt. Was it compelling or crisp/crackling. Not so much.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:51 AM
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Our clock management (end first half 'two minute' drill... 3rd quarter delay of game upon taking possession on downs (or a punt?)--truly unsophisticated primitive.

Abandoning the hurry up after our first drive?
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:00 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
...I don't think Idaho's offense is that good. ...

Last year they were #30 in the country in passing offense, and I'd have to say that Linehan seems much better, and Epps was impressive. I think they have a pretty good offense. Their defense last year was terrible, and it appears to be more of the same this year.

Really the thing that kept Idaho from getting blown out worse was going for it, and making it, something like four times on fourth down.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:06 AM
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I cannot tell you how meaningless to me their supposed #30 offense ranking last year is. Really, if I do think of a way of expressing less concern, I'll let you know.

They were 1-11 last year against a schedule as weak as, maybe weaker than, ours.






I just don't get the favoring of obscure, subjective stats over reality.


Linehan was pretty good tonight...abetted by our pretty much absolute refusal to pass rush and cover short routes. And, he had guys open when he threw deep, though he couldn't get it to them.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:14 AM
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The numbers show that Idaho has a good offense. It's their defense that drags them down.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 7:43 AM
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On offense, Vick, Daz, Cope, and Heitzman all deserve consideration. I'd give it to Cope.

On defense, give it to Old Man Carpenter (although if the training staff can get JoJo healthy before Marshall they deserve it).
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Posted: 9/4/2015 7:54 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I just don't get the favoring of obscure, subjective stats over reality.

Reality, we won.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 8:52 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
...Linehan was pretty good tonight...abetted by our pretty much absolute refusal to pass rush and cover short routes. And, he had guys open when he threw deep, though he couldn't get it to them.

I'm not sure what game you were watching last night, then. Ohio didn't "refuse to pass rush". In fact, Ohio used a lot of different packages to bring pressure, including linebacker blitzes, corner blitzes, and even a couple zone bliztes. They also used a variety of line stunts as well. They did manage to flush Linehan from the pocket a lot, but it's hard to get many sacks when they are throwing so many short passes. Even then, Linehan ended up with 9 "rushing attempts" and not one was a called play.

Is there room for improvement? Yes, of course, but I also give some credit to Idaho. They had a good game plan to throw mostly short, they did a good job of picking up most of the blitzes, and Linehan did a good job of evading a lot more of them, and Linehan never lost his poise. Those things, combined with the extremely good success rate on 4th down, allowed them to score a few points, but really, they never were in the game.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 9:19 AM
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We just beat a team on a comparable playing level at their place 3 time zones away by 17 points and we're complaining?? If that's the case, I hope we're "complaining" all year long!
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Posted: 9/4/2015 9:22 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I cannot tell you how meaningless to me their supposed #30 offense ranking last year is. Really, if I do think of a way of expressing less concern, I'll let you know.

They were 1-11 last year against a schedule as weak as, maybe weaker than, ours.






I just don't get the favoring of obscure, subjective stats over reality.


Linehan was pretty good tonight...abetted by our pretty much absolute refusal to pass rush and cover short routes. And, he had guys open when he threw deep, though he couldn't get it to them.
Geez, Monroe. And my hope for the season was to get all the way through Game 12 with not a single bobcatattacker complaining about a single thing. Oh, the disillusionment!
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Posted: 9/4/2015 9:55 AM
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I was fascinated in the coaching staffs refusal to use nickel more often against the spread sets. Other than that I enjoyed the offensive game plan.

Game Balls--Offense-- Heitzman. Maybe more for his blocking. Shame Mangen is injured though.
Defense--Basham played well. Was constantly in the backfield. Poling is about as solid a mlb as we have ever had. Sure tackler,
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:00 AM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
We just beat a team on a comparable playing level at their place 3 time zones away by 17 points and we're complaining?? If that's the case, I hope we're "complaining" all year long!

Yeah. What he said. Give me 12 more just like it.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:14 AM
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On offense I think the game ball goes to Vick. His 13-16-0 with 2 TDs and 192 yards is going into the record books as the 5th highest completion percentage in Ohio history, and his pass efficiency rating of 233 might be the best ever if they kept single game records for that. As it is, the huge performance moved him up from 130 to 136.22 in career pass efficiency, enough to move him up to #2 in Ohio's record books, trailing only Tettleton (141.6).
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:42 AM
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On offense I think the game ball goes to Vick. His 13-16-0 with 2 TDs and 192 yards is going into the record books as the 5th highest completion percentage in Ohio history, and his pass efficiency rating of 233 might be the best ever if they kept single game records for that. As it is, the huge performance moved him up from 130 to 136.22 in career pass efficiency, enough to move him up to #2 in Ohio's record books, trailing only Tettleton (141.6).
There is a stat about yds/play? Mr. Vick started this season at no. 3 on the career table and with the no. 6 season on the books.

Most Yards Per Play
Career
1. 6.59 Tyler Tettleton 2009-13
2. 6.16 Boo Jackson 2008-10
3. 6.08 Derrius Vick 2012-Present
4. 5.98 Theo Scott 2007-09
5. 5.81 Bob Babbitt 1960-62
6. 5.79 Brad Bower 2006-07
7. 5.74 JD Sprague 2013-Present
8. 5.60 Jamel Patterson 1998-01

Season (min. 100 plays)
1. 7.34 Erland Ahlberg 1954
2. 6.94 Tyler Tettleton 2013
3. 6.81 Tyler Tettleton 2011
4. 6.62 Boo Jackson 2008
5. 6.56 Bob Babbitt 1962
6. 6.38 Derrius Vick 2014
7. 6.37 Dontrell Jackson 2000
7. 6.34 Tyler Tettleton 2012
8. 6.21 Theo Scott 2009
9. 6.08 Dave Wagner 1960
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There is a stat about yds/play? Mr. Vick started this season at no. 3 on the career table and with the no. 6 season on the books. ...

That's just a variation on the traditional "Total Offense" stat (rushing plus passing), only computed on a per play basis. Vick's performance here raised his career number to 6.27.

There is a lot of football to be played, and pretty much all of it will be against better defenses than Idaho has. Vick did take everything they gave him, though.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 11:10 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
There is a stat about yds/play? Mr. Vick started this season at no. 3 on the career table and with the no. 6 season on the books. ...

That's just a variation on the traditional "Total Offense" stat (rushing plus passing), only computed on a per play basis. Vick's performance here raised his career number to 6.27.

There is a lot of football to be played, and pretty much all of it will be against better defenses than Idaho has. Vick did take everything they gave him, though.
So, is his one game season off to about a 9.2 start?
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:43 PM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
We just beat a team on a comparable playing level at their place 3 time zones away by 17 points and we're complaining?? If that's the case, I hope we're "complaining" all year long!
I think we are complaining because we all saw that there is room for improvement, especially on the defensive side of thing.

I thought the offense looked really good. There was the obligatory bad play calls here and there, but not too bad. Vick looks good and was making smart decisions. I was happy with the offense.

However, the D IMO, let them move the ball too easily at times. If we do the same thing next week, we will get embarrassed by Marshall. I thought our pass rush was good early on but they made some adjustments which seemed to work for them and I don't think we made enough of an adjustment on our end.

Also, I think they were something like 5-6 on 4th downs, with the only one they missed was because the QB went deep instead of just focusing on the 1st down. This is concerning as well.

It is the first game so hopefully they will look at the game film and progressively get better every week.
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The offensive line looked really good late in the game and took over. We really didn't run that well until late but being the first game it takes time for an offense to gel. I was impressed with Vick, his passes were very accurate and he would be my offensive star. We have a lot of weapons in good receivers and rb's. The offense looks way ahead of the defense and everyone said the d would be better than the O.

I would worry about our defense, it reminded me too much of the last few years where we just folded to teams with good QB's. I did watch the entire game and when we only rushed 4 their QB pretty much had his way with us. They didn't even really try to run so we knew they would pass it the second half yet we couldn't stop it. Our base defense doesn't put enough pressure on the QB at least in the second half.
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Even the announcers saw it and called us on it...against these spread offenses you are going to have big problems if you put LB types on a wideout. We did that ALL night. Can we please change things up.

Second, it is good the game was over at 21-0. After that, they won the scoreboard 28-24? We didn't play that good on defense and we will see better offenses! Thank God the offense rang up a few points.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 4:01 PM
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PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
The offensive line looked really good late in the game and took over. We really didn't run that well until late but being the first game it takes time for an offense to gel. I was impressed with Vick, his passes were very accurate and he would be my offensive star. We have a lot of weapons in good receivers and rb's. The offense looks way ahead of the defense and everyone said the d would be better than the O.

I would worry about our defense, it reminded me too much of the last few years where we just folded to teams with good QB's. I did watch the entire game and when we only rushed 4 their QB pretty much had his way with us. They didn't even really try to run so we knew they would pass it the second half yet we couldn't stop it. Our base defense doesn't put enough pressure on the QB at least in the second half.
Others may feel that we ran a number of blitz packages.

I believe that our qb pressure lacked, that all their qb was doing was passing so qb pressure would have been nice....and that qb pressure is pretty much easily far and away the most significant thing in football.
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Even the announcers saw it and called us on it...against these spread offenses you are going to have big problems if you put LB types on a wideout. We did that ALL night. Can we please change things up.

Second, it is good the game was over at 21-0. After that, they won the scoreboard 28-24? We didn't play that good on defense and we will see better offenses! Thank God the offense rang up a few points.

Thank god the first quarter counts just as much as the other quarters! We really caught a break there. Did you know that Idaho outscored us 7-0 on some of their drives? Can you believe they completely shut us out whenever they possessed the ball?
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On offense it had to be Vick and Cope. Also worth mentioning that Maleek Irons appears to be a very special running back.

On "D" Poling is a very special player. He is everywhere on the field. Sure tackler and very physical.
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Does anyone think maybe we weren't showing everything defensively to save it for Marshall?
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