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Posted: 9/22/2015 1:13 PM
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Bcat2, I apologize if I misunderstood you, but I thought you were saying that Frank should hold back completely healthy players from the Minnesota game just on the fear that they might be injured so that they could be ready for MAC play. I totally disagree with that, and I'm sure Frank does too. However, if you were saying that he shouldn't play guys who are not 100 percent, I would agree with that, but that would also hold true for any league games as well.
After fall camp starts, I doubt that there are many players that are 100%. That's the nature of football.
I'd leave it to the medical staff to figure who is able to play. The coaches then can use a little discretion about what is best for the team overall to play or not play a player in any particular game.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:46 PM
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Did I read that Kent had only three plays in Minn territory the entire game?

Hi Gopher fan here. The Gophers only gave up 142 total yards so the stat you posted I would think could easily be true. But we were playing against the worst QB I've ever seen come to TCF Stadium and I say that seriously. About us, our offense has been very disappointing while the defense has been elite. The Gophers last year held both TCU and Ohio State to their lowest point totals of the season and they've been even better so far this year. Held TCU to 23 points week 1 and they've scored 70 and 56 the 2 weeks since. But it's hard to put into words just how pathetic our offense has been. 10 points at home vs Kent State is just embarrassing. If your D continues to shut down our offense you can certainly win the game. Before the season started I penciled this one in as a win but after our first 3 games I can't be too confident against anyone including the Sisters of the Poor.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 10:30 PM
We are smaller than you guys but athletic and experienced.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 10:52 PM
I see some posts that border on lunacy. This is the kind of game we should be playing in hoops and football. A mid level high major team on the road. This is a winnable game.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 11:26 PM
Hello Goldy, welcome to the Board. I will make this simple for you. We are a bunch of slow, fat white kids who have no athletic talent whatsoever. We are basically a group of D-III rejects and you guys should just overlook us and start preparing for your conference schedule. It would be nice if you could just send us our paycheck and let us stay in Athens. Go easy on us.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 8:36 AM
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Did I read that Kent had only three plays in Minn territory the entire game?

Hi Gopher fan here. The Gophers only gave up 142 total yards so the stat you posted I would think could easily be true. But we were playing against the worst QB I've ever seen come to TCF Stadium and I say that seriously. About us, our offense has been very disappointing while the defense has been elite. The Gophers last year held both TCU and Ohio State to their lowest point totals of the season and they've been even better so far this year. Held TCU to 23 points week 1 and they've scored 70 and 56 the 2 weeks since. But it's hard to put into words just how pathetic our offense has been. 10 points at home vs Kent State is just embarrassing. If your D continues to shut down our offense you can certainly win the game. Before the season started I penciled this one in as a win but after our first 3 games I can't be too confident against anyone including the Sisters of the Poor.

This will likely be very similar to the game we just played against an FCS team. It will be close for awhile but the final score will be 35-10 or something with Minnesota pulling away via several big plays in the second half. Our offense is not good. And our D can only hold up so long.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:20 AM
-69, us old guys think alike. I think we hang for a while but their superior size and strength (from what I have read) will wear us down in the end. That is a typical scenario for a lot of games with match ups like this. I am going with 24-6 though (it may be a tad bit closer than you think).
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:49 AM
I'm sure it was far from Minnesota's best effort, but if Kent State can hang in to the end, Ohio should be able to do that at the very least. The Golden Flashes gave up 52 points to Illinois. I'm pretty sure the Bobcats have a better defense.

I know everyone is down on Ohio's offense, but it has averaged 34 points per game. And it is a reasonable concern that Ohio's defense might eventually wear down if the offense doesn't keep it off the field, but it seems like that could be an issue both ways with two teams that have superior defenses going against less-than-stellar offenses. Minnesota should have an edge but barring huge turnovers or plays I think it will be a game until the end.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 11:26 AM
Minnesota's offense hasn't put up 35, or 24 points for that matter, yet this year. If Ohio's offense doesn't give Minnesota good field position to start drives, I think our defense can play tough for the full four quarters.

I'm curious to hear more details on injuries from both sides. For OHIO, I'm hoping to hear good news on Woods, Lowery and Johnson. On the Minnesota side, I'm curious just how banged up their offensive line is.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 11:50 AM
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Minnesota's offense hasn't put up 35, or 24 points for that matter, yet this year. If Ohio's offense doesn't give Minnesota good field position to start drives, I think our defense can play tough for the full four quarters.

I'm curious to hear more details on injuries from both sides. For OHIO, I'm hoping to hear good news on Woods, Lowery and Johnson. On the Minnesota side, I'm curious just how banged up their offensive line is.

The Gophers O-line is so banged up that we're pulling a redshirt off a true freshman this week for more depth. Christenson and Lauer are 2 starters who I know are still out and a couple others, Campion and Pirsig are playing out of their typical position as well. A red-shirt freshman is currently starting as well.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 12:56 PM
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The Gophers O-line is so banged up that we're pulling a redshirt off a true freshman this week for more depth. Christenson and Lauer are 2 starters who I know are still out and a couple others, Campion and Pirsig are playing out of their typical position as well. A red-shirt freshman is currently starting as well.

You are short at TE as well, I believe. It sounds a lot like Ohio last year. Last year Ohio started a true Freshman in 12 games at RG, and played two other true Freshmen a considerable amount. At TE Ohio was thin as well. That makes it rough for the whole offense, and the fans tend to blame the QB and RB, when really the problem is in front of them.

Good luck, and I hope you work through it. The good news is that when everyone returns you have a lot more guys with experience, and better depth.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 12:59 PM
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The Gophers O-line is so banged up that we're pulling a redshirt off a true freshman this week for more depth. Christenson and Lauer are 2 starters who I know are still out and a couple others, Campion and Pirsig are playing out of their typical position as well. A red-shirt freshman is currently starting as well.

You are short at TE as well, I believe. It sounds a lot like Ohio last year. Last year Ohio started a true Freshman in 12 games at RG, and played two other true Freshmen a considerable amount. At TE Ohio was thin as well. That makes it rough for the whole offense, and the fans tend to blame the QB and RB, when really the problem is in front of them.

Good luck, and I hope you work through it. The good news is that when everyone returns you have a lot more guys with experience, and better depth.

Yep you're right I forgot about the TE's. Our top 2 are both out probably for the year.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 1:06 PM
Ohio's top one is out for the year, too. Ohio would be severely depleted there, but Harbaugh gave us a gift. He didn't want a 5th year Senior TE that they had, so Heitzman transferred to Ohio, and he's the starter, and has been very good.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 11:38 AM
I am a gopher fan and it is prpropsterous to think Ohio doesn't have a very good chance to win this game. Our defense is very very good but don't kid yourselves this is a coin flip.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 1:32 PM
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I am a gopher fan and it is prpropsterous to think Ohio doesn't have a very good chance to win this game. Our defense is very very good but don't kid yourselves this is a coin flip.

A coin flip? I don't think so. The Gophers are absolutely the better team and they're playing at home. I agree that Ohio can win but it's much less than a 50/50 chance. My gut tells me Ohio is playing the Gophers at the worst possible time and the Gophers win going away rather easily. I'll be surprised if Ohio reaches 10 points but even if they do manage to get to 17 on our D I'm confident the offense scores over 20 and probably over 30. After last week's embarrassing performance this team will be the most focused they've been all year.

Last year the Gophers had an embarrassing loss at Illinois that no one expected. That whole next I knew Iowa was coming to TCF at the worst possible time for them and sure enough the Gophers played their best game of year winning 51-14. Like I said, the schedule is more about when you play someone, not who you play.

My prediction of the Gophers winning rather easily is not a knock against Ohio at all. Last week I think Ohio could have beaten us no question. But this week the Gophers will play a lot better, I have no doubt about that.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 1:58 PM
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A coin flip? I don't think so. The Gophers are absolutely the better team and they're playing at home. I agree that Ohio can win but it's much less than a 50/50 chance. My gut tells me Ohio is playing the Gophers at the worst possible time and the Gophers win going away rather easily. I'll be surprised if Ohio reaches 10 points but even if they do manage to get to 17 on our D I'm confident the offense scores over 20 and probably over 30. After last week's embarrassing performance this team will be the most focused they've been all year. ...

I agree in part, and disagree in part. I do agree that Minnesota has the better chance, probably an 80-90% chance, especially since it's at home for them. The part where I disagree is that that your thoughts are Gopher-centric, only taking into account how Minnesota will play, and not considering how Ohio will play.

I don't doubt that Minnesota will be focused this week, and will play better. What you miss is that the converse is also true. The Bobcats have an excellent defense, perhaps the best one that Burrow has had at Ohio, and they are not pleased at having given up 14 points to Southeastern Louisiana. I look for them to be very focused, and to play much better this week, more along the lines of how they played against Marshall.

As for Ohio's offense, the same holds true for the Ohio Offensive line and running backs. They were not pleased with their performance against Southeastern Louisiana, and I also look for them to play better this week.

In the end I look for both teams to play significantly better this week than either played last week. Whoever wins will have to win it because neither team is going to give it away. I am expecting a very, very physical game on both sides of the ball, and I'm not expecting a lot of points from either team.

I would add one other thing. No one here will hold your close win against Kent State against you. Kent State, especially their defense, always seems to play mysteriously well againt Ohio, and mysteriously badly against everyone else, so we can certainly sympathize. Our recent games against them:
2014 Ohio 17, Kent 14 (FG at the very end wins it)
2013 Kent St 44, Ohio 13
2012 Kent St 28, Ohio 6
2011 Ohio 17, Kent St 10
2010 Kent St 28, Ohio 6
2009 Kent St 20, Ohio 11
Ohio was bowl eligible all of these 6 years. Kent State was only once, in 2012, yet in these 6 years Ohio averaged 11.6 points, and never exceeded 17.
Last Edited: 9/24/2015 2:32:56 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 9:36 PM
Our defense will need to score in my opinion. Our offensive line gave up a sack to Kent when only rushing 3. If you can't score it doesn't matter. Gophers defense has a hiccup and it's game over. If they pull out of this offensive slump I don't think it happens until our line heals a bit. You are catching the gophers at the perfect time as they are questioning all aspects of the offense. They can be angry but that usually means pressing and turnovers.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 10:07 PM
Not trying to compare Southeastern Louisiana to Minnesota, but if I recall correctly, SLU's defensive secondary consisted of 3 former LSU players, a kid from Tulane and I believe the other was a transfer from Utah. All told, I believe 11 of their starters were transfers from P5 Programs. However, those facts and $1.50 will get you a coffee at Denny's.
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Posted: 9/25/2015 11:12 AM
Our secondary is nothing short of outstanding. It is not absuRd to say they might be the best in the country. Our offense is just loaded with issues that are related to multiple injuries. In the end I think if the gophers put up 14 that might get the job done but it won't be pretty. Our entire defensive backfield might be playing on Sundays .
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Posted: 9/25/2015 7:45 PM
I have thought about it, and I think the key to an Ohio win could be Vick's feet. When a QB can run for some yards, whether on options, QB keepers, option passes, or scrambles for yards, it can be disruptive for a sound but aggressive defense, and it can force them to play contain, rather than attacking. That's kind of what SLU did to Ohio last weekend. After the SLU QB started gaining yards on the ground, Ohio's defense backed off a little, and opened up a bit more room for SLU's offense.


If Vick can gain some yards on the ground, it could keep the Minnesota defense off balance a little, and open more running room, which in turn will open the play action passes. We haven't seen Vick running with the ball much this year. He has only 22 carries for 30 yards. With Sprague out, and with his recent injuries, they may be reluctant to call Vick's number, and for good reason. Still, if the opportunity occurs for him to take off, I hope he does.
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Posted: 9/25/2015 11:49 PM
Can't disagree that Vick running could open it up a bit, L.C., but I don't particularly want that when Vick has been hurt and Sprague is out with injury.

In fact, I didn't think it was a good idea to have Windham run the ball last week for the same experience/depth reason.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 8:44 AM
Arkley's injury update shows Windham as probable, but having a knee injury, so that's another reason not to have Vick take off too much.
Last Edited: 9/26/2015 8:45:26 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 9:57 AM
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Arkley's injury update shows Windham as probable, but having a knee injury, so that's another reason not to have Vick take off too much.
Previously this has been discussed with you mentioning that QB injuries happen as often or more so from taking hits in the pocket or from late hits that should not have occurred. Ohio's offense with TT was humming until his injury resulted in the loss of the threat of his running. I hope Vick keeps calling his own number when he feels it.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 3:15 PM
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I guessing Ohio is put as a 6.5 underdog. Any other guesses?

I'll guess we open +7.5, which is certainly doable.

Go Bobcats! Feast on gophers.
L.C., It looks like its going to go off at 7.5. :)
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