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Posted: 9/26/2015 9:30 PM
Sorry L.C. but I can not agree that the better team won. Yes they may have been bigger, but we matched up with them pretty well overall. In the end, they did not beat us, we beat ourselves. This is a type of game/team we need to start playing more often and winning if we ever hope to get to the next level. Just my $.02.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 9:57 PM
While it is my hope that the MAC front office at least asks the Big 10 front office for some sort of clarification on the last call, I don't believe it will happen for two reasons.

1. The Big 10 is the MAC's cash cow. Ever since we got our lighting system financed from playing in the Horseshoe, MAC teams have realized that not only can they possibly win a game or two on the road, the payouts are like Christmas come early.

2. Even the slightest thought of angering the boys at Big 10 HQ in suburban Chicago (Rosemont) is something that MAC university Presidents and AD's seem reticent to do.

I think it is a shame because we at least deserve an answer, other conferences have asked as much, and we certainly deserve at least an explanation for something that I am not alone is saying, most of us have never seen happen.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:02 PM
ou79 wrote:expand_more
Sorry L.C. but I can not agree that the better team won. Yes they may have been bigger, but we matched up with them pretty well overall. In the end, they did not beat us, we beat ourselves. This is a type of game/team we need to start playing more often and winning if we ever hope to get to the next level. Just my $.02.
We'll have to disagree, then. Ohio nearly won the game because:
1. Ohio did a fantastic job with field position. Minnesota started drives on average at their own 19, including ones that started at their own 6, 10, 13 and 14, and they never started beyond their own 37. This was partially because of Minnesota's problems on special teams.
2. The turnover
3. For much of the game, even though Ohio couldn't really stop Minnesota's defense, they slowed them down enough to give Minnesota an opportunity to stop themselves, which they did several times
4. Even though the Minnesota defense pretty much shut Ohio down, Ohio had a few explosive plays early, and used them to get points. Passes to Heitzman for 38, and to White for 39 got 7 points, while the fumble got another other 7. Other than that, Ohio had only two real "drives" in the game, one in the first half for a TD, and one in the second half for a FG.

Ohio got itself in position to win. Minnesota had to drive the length of the field, and had to get a TD. Unfortunately Wells did not hang on to the interception, and unfortunately Minnesota did score.

Still, this call at the end was pretty bogus.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:18 PM
The better team did not win, we need to stop having this loser mind state. Our defense played way below what they should and we still had to give away the game. I am so tired of we gave them a good game folks. Raise your expectations.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:24 PM
FWIW, the Minnesota fans are puzzled by the delay of game call, too. They think it is unbelievable that they called it in this situation, and that they have never seen it called before.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:26 PM
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The better team did not win, we need to stop having this loser mind state.
I assume you are not referring to our players.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:40 PM
He was not talking about the players, but about my comments above. In this case we had one team that dominated the line of scrimmage and who was generally able to sustain drives, and gain big chunks of yardage on the ground, and another team that was opportunistic and who relied on strategy, field position, explosive plays, and turnovers. The team that could sustain drives won in the end, and that was what I was referring to when I called them the "better team".

I don't think Ohio was bad, and I was impressed by Ohio's offense today. Rather I think that Minnesota is better than I expected.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:43 PM
yes not the team, those young men are great. I think we need to think more of them.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:59 PM
Am I not mistaken that some were mentioning Minnesota as an outside chance to win the Big Ten western division (or whatever they are calling it these days after the infamous leaders and legends division?) The same team that almost beat TCU?

In other words with two very questionable calls, some big time mistakes on our part especially in Minnesota's final drive, we still almost pulled this one out. We certainly are not considered the pearl of the MAC, Toledo and BG seem to have the love of the conference glitterati (if the MAC even has a glitterati,) and yet we almost win in the Gopher State.

We may in fact be the little engine that could exposing a flaw in the tracks that will eventually lead to the derailment of the Big 10 West.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:04 PM
Minnesota will not win the West, we should have beat them. We are an upper echelon MAC team, we have to take care of business. No moral victories
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:09 PM
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Minnesota will not win the West, we should have beat them. We are an upper echelon MAC team, we have to take care of business. No moral victories

RE: Losing sucks
Posted: 9/26/2015 9:43:16 PM
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no moral victories here. We lost a game we should have won.


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I think the correct word is " we could "have won. The Gopher folks I talked to afterwards thought they should have blown us out. Should is overused. It was a close game that could have gone either way. I am disappointed, but extremely proud of the team. We lost to a pretty good team and could have won. I hope the injuries heal quickly.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:13 PM
the grammar police are out, I just got a ticket. The grammar police are sensitive.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 12:43 AM
Question: From my vantage point -- at the other end of the field -- it looked like Yaz's "practice kick" (the one that cost us the dubious delay of game penalty) went through the uprights and would have been good. Can anyone with a better vantage point confirm or refute this?
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Posted: 9/27/2015 8:47 AM
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Question: From my vantage point -- at the other end of the field -- it looked like Yaz's "practice kick" (the one that cost us the dubious delay of game penalty) went through the uprights and would have been good. Can anyone with a better vantage point confirm or refute this?
Arkley also tweeted that he thought the kick would have been good. He went on to say that Solich commented that when he later saw the carry on that kick, that he wished they kicked again from 58 rather than the hail mary.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 8:53 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Question: From my vantage point -- at the other end of the field -- it looked like Yaz's "practice kick" (the one that cost us the dubious delay of game penalty) went through the uprights and would have been good. Can anyone with a better vantage point confirm or refute this?
Yes. Minnesota Star-Tribune confirms that "Delay Of Game" kick WAS GOOD.

"kicker Josiah Yazdani was flagged for delay of game after drilling the ball through the uprights."

And even Minnesota's coach has never seen that call. "Kill said he couldn’t ever remember seeing that penalty called on a kicker. It pushed Ohio back to the 41."

Solich also says he made a mistake doing hail mary and should have tried kick from 58

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-score-on-final-drive-t... /
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Posted: 9/27/2015 9:13 AM
Well, for all those on here who stated "he would not make it", you are wrong. What is still brutal is watching Sports Center play highlights of the Tennessee/Florida game where the same thing happens and no flag gets thrown. Nice "homer" B1G!
Last Edited: 9/27/2015 9:16:45 AM by ou79
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Posted: 9/27/2015 10:22 AM
That flag goes in the Pantheon of Calls That Boned Us.

And yeah, if that pick happens, it's probably ov-ah.

But I'll put the most blame on the stupid unsportsmanlike in the second quarter that made a 3rd and long into a first down on what became a scoring drive. Ohio can be a really dumb bunch of guys at times. And I think it's the biggest impediment to next level status.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 10:36 AM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
That flag goes in the Pantheon of Calls That Boned Us.

And yeah, if that pick happens, it's probably ov-ah.

But I'll put the most blame on the stupid unsportsmanlike in the second quarter that made a 3rd and long into a first down on what became a scoring drive. Ohio can be a really dumb bunch of guys at times. And I think it's the biggest impediment to next level status.

I agree.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:23 AM
I also agree with Pete here.

WARNING. . . MONROE SHOULD BE SITTING DOWN WHEN HE READS THIS AND HAVE THE HOME DEFIB UNIT HANDY . . . I'M GONNA CRITICIZE THE COACH.

Given that we frequently have these dumb unsportsmanlike calls I sometimes wonder if Frank isn't as strict a disciplinarian as he should be. While all teams have bonehead penalties every now and then, it seems to me that we have much more than our share. What are the thoughts of others on this issue?
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Posted: 9/27/2015 12:04 PM
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The muff into the endzone should not have been a touchback either.

The muff was a Touchback all day long, 100% correct call
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Posted: 9/27/2015 12:05 PM
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While it is my hope that the MAC front office at least asks the Big 10 front office for some sort of clarification on the last call, I don't believe it will happen for two reasons.

1. The Big 10 is the MAC's cash cow. Ever since we got our lighting system financed from playing in the Horseshoe, MAC teams have realized that not only can they possibly win a game or two on the road, the payouts are like Christmas come early.

2. Even the slightest thought of angering the boys at Big 10 HQ in suburban Chicago (Rosemont) is something that MAC university Presidents and AD's seem reticent to do.

I think it is a shame because we at least deserve an answer, other conferences have asked as much, and we certainly deserve at least an explanation for something that I am not alone is saying, most of us have never seen happen.


As far as officials are concerned they are all the same office with the same training and assignors.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 7:45 PM
Yes, but we have all heard of botched calls where officials were reprimanded by either a public shaming or a game or two suspension by their respected conference. I am not for embarrassing anyone. I simply want an official answer and explanation for a call that most of us have never seen.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 9:32 PM
Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Question: From my vantage point -- at the other end of the field -- it looked like Yaz's "practice kick" (the one that cost us the dubious delay of game penalty) went through the uprights and would have been good. Can anyone with a better vantage point confirm or refute this?
Yes. Minnesota Star-Tribune confirms that "Delay Of Game" kick WAS GOOD.

"kicker Josiah Yazdani was flagged for delay of game after drilling the ball through the uprights."

And even Minnesota's coach has never seen that call. "Kill said he couldn’t ever remember seeing that penalty called on a kicker. It pushed Ohio back to the 41."

Solich also says he made a mistake doing hail mary and should have tried kick from 58

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-score-on-final-drive-t... /
Just watched the replay in slow motion. the kick was wide left.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 9:41 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Question: From my vantage point -- at the other end of the field -- it looked like Yaz's "practice kick" (the one that cost us the dubious delay of game penalty) went through the uprights and would have been good. Can anyone with a better vantage point confirm or refute this?
Yes. Minnesota Star-Tribune confirms that "Delay Of Game" kick WAS GOOD.

"kicker Josiah Yazdani was flagged for delay of game after drilling the ball through the uprights."

And even Minnesota's coach has never seen that call. "Kill said he couldn’t ever remember seeing that penalty called on a kicker. It pushed Ohio back to the 41."

Solich also says he made a mistake doing hail mary and should have tried kick from 58

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-score-on-final-drive-t... /
Just watched the replay in slow motion. the kick was wide left.
Thanks, This is how I remembered it but so many people had sources saying that it was good that I assumed that I had "misremembered" and didn't say anything.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 9:48 PM
Chicken crap call, they don't throw the flag in the NFL when they kick on a last minute time out. I have seen a ton of NCAA games too that has never got the flag in that situation. I hope Minnesota gave the officials the game ball.
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