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Posted: 11/11/2015 4:59 PM
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I was uptown both before and after the game and let's just say I found where all the students were.

I had my cousins in from Wisconsin as part of their annual college football road trip and was disappointed for them to see probably the worst Peden crowd in many years. But they understood the circumstances (mid-week, crappy weather, losing streak) and seemed to enjoy the game and really loved the campus and uptown, because of course.

Not sure if any of you saw my Badger visitors but when the PA system played "Jump Around" just before the half they of course stood up and jumped around like they were back home, it was pretty funny.
Hey, we were sitting next to you across the aisle. I got a kick out of the jump around bit. They looked like they were having fun. I now remember your post prior to the game. I should have put 2 and 2 together when I saw the UW hat.
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Posted: 11/11/2015 9:33 PM
I still think we have the best fans in the MAC. However, let's take a little trip down memory lane and imagine what might have been. I finally found the article I read last year online talking about the decline in college football attendance, especially among Non-Power 5 schools. It is worth a read. It seems our fast paced remote control society is making its presence felt.

I hate to sound like an old man saying back in the Good Ole 80s. However, think about it for a minute. Anyone who remembers those days at Pedan. Imagine we were as good then as we were the last 10 years. Then imagine we were told ESPN was coming to town for weeknight game? Not only would the game be a sellout, but every bar in town would be packed after the game, win or lose. Yes, most of us would still have made it to class the next day ( I think we were heartier souls.) Anyway, I just think that unless you are a big time program, too many students will occupy themselves with other things.

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Posted: 11/11/2015 10:45 PM
TV kills attendance in two ways. First, it delivers a vastly superior and infinitely cheaper viewing experience compared to actually going to a stadium. Second, it ruins the pleasure and flow of a live game with all the forced TV timeouts. By November, ever people in Athens would probably prefer to relax at home and watch on TV as opposed to shivering away while waiting for an ESPN minion to give permission to the referees to restart the game about three dozen times.
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Posted: 11/11/2015 10:53 PM
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. . . .By November, ever people in Athens would probably prefer to relax at home and watch on TV as opposed to shivering away while waiting for an ESPN minion to give permission to the referees to restart the game about three dozen times.
Except for certain masochists on this board. ;-)
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Posted: 11/12/2015 9:47 AM
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TV kills attendance in two ways. First, it delivers a vastly superior and infinitely cheaper viewing experience compared to actually going to a stadium. Second, it ruins the pleasure and flow of a live game with all the forced TV timeouts. By November, ever people in Athens would probably prefer to relax at home and watch on TV as opposed to shivering away while waiting for an ESPN minion to give permission to the referees to restart the game about three dozen times.

Three: 8pm kick-offs are major deterrents for the large number of alumni that otherwise travel from Central Ohio when it's a Saturday.
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I was uptown both before and after the game and let's just say I found where all the students were.

I had my cousins in from Wisconsin as part of their annual college football road trip and was disappointed for them to see probably the worst Peden crowd in many years. But they understood the circumstances (mid-week, crappy weather, losing streak) and seemed to enjoy the game and really loved the campus and uptown, because of course.

Not sure if any of you saw my Badger visitors but when the PA system played "Jump Around" just before the half they of course stood up and jumped around like they were back home, it was pretty funny.
Hey, we were sitting next to you across the aisle. I got a kick out of the jump around bit. They looked like they were having fun. I now remember your post prior to the game. I should have put 2 and 2 together when I saw the UW hat.
It was funny, when the song came on they just smiled and said "it's a little early..." and then when the lyric jump around came up, they just leaped right up like they couldn't help it. I think they enjoyed it overall, and closed down the bars after the game. With my Dad being a UW grad, we've actually often made the comparison of the 2 campuses being very similar particularly in personality and demeanor of the students & alumni.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 9:52 AM
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I still think we have the best fans in the MAC. However, let's take a little trip down memory lane and imagine what might have been. I finally found the article I read last year online talking about the decline in college football attendance, especially among Non-Power 5 schools. It is worth a read. It seems our fast paced remote control society is making its presence felt.

I hate to sound like an old man saying back in the Good Ole 80s. However, think about it for a minute. Anyone who remembers those days at Pedan. Imagine we were as good then as we were the last 10 years. Then imagine we were told ESPN was coming to town for weeknight game? Not only would the game be a sellout, but every bar in town would be packed after the game, win or lose. Yes, most of us would still have made it to class the next day ( I think we were heartier souls.) Anyway, I just think that unless you are a big time program, too many students will occupy themselves with other things.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solom...
Here's some anecdotal, but verifiable, memories from those 80's. My daughter was born in '81 and we attended games since she could walk. (She was always a favorite of the elder K. Kerr those days.....a wonderful Athenian icon.) Anyway, late season games were never attended to capacity. A November game against Central Michigan had a crowd of about 900 on the alumni side, at best, in the late going on that Saturday afternoon. No TV, no interwebs, no outside distractions to siphon off the crowd, and no MACtion midweek night matches. Attendance was not great in those Brian Burke days. But, it was gameday in Athens.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 10:24 AM
THe MAC needs the MACtion mid-week TV exposure. Especially those teams which are having really good years but, being MAC, are getting NOATTENTIONATALL. Maybe some day we'll be one of those teams.


Barring the unusual, railing against MACtion is a waste of time.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 11:12 AM
I agree that the MAC needs the exposure....but it sucks that it comes at the MAC fan's expense.

The people who really like the MAC are the people who are alums/fans of the MAC teams. Joe SixPack in Richmond, VA could care less about NIU at Buffalo.....but he's getting a football game to watch on a Tuesday night and ESPN is getting something to fill the 8-11pm timeslot on a Tues/Wed.

The league is completely selling out their fans for this exposure.

I'm not sure I have a great solution....but I just think it stinks that GREAT MAC games like BG at WMU and UT vs. BG and NIU vs. UT are played in front of less-than-spectacular crowds because it's Tuesday/Wednesday at 8pm.....robbing the real fans of supporting their team in a big game in a gameday festival atmosphere on a Saturday afternoon/evening like the majority of college football fans.

I'm okay with a few spotlight games during the midweek to gain exposure....but 4+ every week for four or five weeks is excessive.

Perfect example last night...just do BG at WMU. That was a great game for the league to showcase two of it's best teams......and going up right against it was NIU/UB in front of about 27 people. I'm sure the only people actually even watching the game were NIU fans.

Same situation on Tuesday....You don't think Peden would've had 18-20k there if Kent/Ohio was played on a Saturday afternoon/evening? Instead there's barely 7k and it's playing opposite of Toledo at CMU (a much better game)

I know the TV money outweighs a lot.....but I just think it's a dis-service to the fan bases....to the people that actually go to the games (or try to)....to put 25% of your schedule during Tuesday nights at 8pm

Like someone earlier posted, when it was a novelty, it was cool. "Hey, ESPN is coming to our campus to put our team on TV...let's pack the stands!" Now it's total overkill when every game after October is a Tues/Wed night.....the original excitement has worn off. I'd love to see what the return-on-investment is for the MAC now compared to what it was when #MACtion started. I can't imagine it's still worth it to pimp out all of these schools and their fanbases each week for a quarter of the season rather than just a select few games.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:27 PM
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I agree that the MAC needs the exposure....but it sucks that it comes at the MAC fan's expense.

The people who really like the MAC are the people who are alums/fans of the MAC teams. Joe SixPack in Richmond, VA could care less about NIU at Buffalo.....but he's getting a football game to watch on a Tuesday night and ESPN is getting something to fill the 8-11pm timeslot on a Tues/Wed.

The league is completely selling out their fans for this exposure.

I'm not sure I have a great solution....but I just think it stinks that GREAT MAC games like BG at WMU and UT vs. BG and NIU vs. UT are played in front of less-than-spectacular crowds because it's Tuesday/Wednesday at 8pm.....robbing the real fans of supporting their team in a big game in a gameday festival atmosphere on a Saturday afternoon/evening like the majority of college football fans.

I'm okay with a few spotlight games during the midweek to gain exposure....but 4+ every week for four or five weeks is excessive.

Perfect example last night...just do BG at WMU. That was a great game for the league to showcase two of it's best teams......and going up right against it was NIU/UB in front of about 27 people. I'm sure the only people actually even watching the game were NIU fans.

Same situation on Tuesday....You don't think Peden would've had 18-20k there if Kent/Ohio was played on a Saturday afternoon/evening? Instead there's barely 7k and it's playing opposite of Toledo at CMU (a much better game)

I know the TV money outweighs a lot.....but I just think it's a dis-service to the fan bases....to the people that actually go to the games (or try to)....to put 25% of your schedule during Tuesday nights at 8pm

Like someone earlier posted, when it was a novelty, it was cool. "Hey, ESPN is coming to our campus to put our team on TV...let's pack the stands!" Now it's total overkill when every game after October is a Tues/Wed night.....the original excitement has worn off. I'd love to see what the return-on-investment is for the MAC now compared to what it was when #MACtion started. I can't imagine it's still worth it to pimp out all of these schools and their fanbases each week for a quarter of the season rather than just a select few games.
Very well said
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:35 PM
Need to consider MAC fans who are to distant to attend live.

I can tell you that I love mid-week games. They lend excitement to the work week, make the day pass more quickly due to anticipation....and they leave my weekends more free (don't have to devote about 3 hours to paying attention to vidcast).
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:44 PM
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Need to consider MAC fans who are to distant to attend live.

I can tell you that I love mid-week games. They lend excitement to the work week, make the day pass more quickly due to anticipation....and they leave my weekends more free (don't have to devote about 3 hours to paying attention to vidcast).
I agree that alums/fans that are too far to attend need to be taken into consideration....but I still think having 25% of your games midweek is a lot.

One or two is reasonable.....but I think four is overkill.

How do you build a fan base and keep it when you make it tough to attend 33% of your home games?

Do one road, one home game on a weeknight....leave the rest on Saturday.

Talk to CBSSN or NBCSN or go back to FS1 and see if there's a way to get a TV pkg for some Saturday games. If CUSA can get games, the MAC should too.

This ESPN deal is totally crippling to the league in my opinion....football and basketball (the hoops debate is a totally separate conversation)
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:47 PM
We are only given two mid-week home games each season. I don't mind them at all. I love the mid-week away games because I can watch the team and still have a free Saturday. The MAC is certainly not the only conference with non-Saturday games. Even the NFL has games on Monday and Thursday every week and their fans show up.

I treat the Tuesday/Wednesday games as special November scheduling. The only thing it disrupts for me is tailgating, but the silver lining there is a savings of several hundred dollars per game in food and beer. I know others don't have the flexibility in their schedule or live as close as I do, but I know when WVU plays a Thursday night game, the majority of the state shuts down at noon and heads to Morgantown. It's only two nights/year.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:02 PM
66-I am just saying it doesn't take much to be the best fans in the MAC. But, seriously, we have some of the quietest people I have ever not heard at football games. That is my point, very often there just doesn't seem to be much excitement. It's just flat our quiet.

And, i usually attend at least one of the week night games every year. This year...NO. An 8pm start is just to late of an arrival back in cincy. I did watch the game on tv and have to admit, the did a good job of hiding the crowd. Many of the shots were close ups of the jam packed 110 area and others were close ups of groups of fans. It didn't look as bad as many MAC games on tv but it was still pretty bad.

I agree, this does absolutely NOTHING to enhance the league reoutation. And, it sucks for further away fans.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:12 PM
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We are only given two mid-week home games each season. I don't mind them at all. I love the mid-week away games because I can watch the team and still have a free Saturday. The MAC is certainly not the only conference with non-Saturday games. Even the NFL has games on Monday and Thursday every week and their fans show up.

I treat the Tuesday/Wednesday games as special November scheduling. The only thing it disrupts for me is tailgating, but the silver lining there is a savings of several hundred dollars per game in food and beer. I know others don't have the flexibility in their schedule or live as close as I do, but I know when WVU plays a Thursday night game, the majority of the state shuts down at noon and heads to Morgantown. It's only two nights/year.
Big XII - 5 Thursday games
--- 2 were the opening night
--- 1 was Texas Tech/Texas on Thanksgiving night (a new UT tradition)

Big 10 - NONE

SEC - 2 Thursday games

ACC - 3 Thursday games

Pac 12 - 4 Thursday games, 1 Friday game

AAC - 17 midweek games
7 Thursday games
--- 2 were opening night

10 Friday games
--- 1 was opening weekend
--- 2 were Thanksgiving Friday

CUSA - 2 Thursday games
--- both were opening night

Sun Belt - 12 midweek games
7 Thursday games
--- 1 was opening wknd

3 Tuesday games

2 Friday
--- 1 was opening wknd
--- 1 was Thanksgiving Friday

MAC - 26 midweek games
7 Tuesday games

6 Wednesday games

8 Thursday games
--- 4 were opening night

5 Friday games
---- 4 on Thanksgiving Friday (no Saturday games that week for MAC)
---- 1 on opening wknd

No league pimps itself out for midweek games like the MAC. It's not even close. The AAC has 17 midweek games....and 10 of those are on Friday night. And a lot of these leagues midweek games fall either the opening wknd of the season or Thanksgiving week.

I have no problem with a Friday night game....much more reasonable to get to than a Tues/Wed game.

It's gotten excessive.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:28 PM
If the MAC is pimping then there has to be a money transaction, right? What do the schools get in money from these midweek games? I don't think I've ever seen what the direct dollar benefit is. Anyone have concrete information on this? Alex, do you (without jeopardizing your job, of course)?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:41 PM
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Attendance at a Tuesday night game is not a fan problem. It is a MAC problem. It makes the entire league look second rate and it denies fans the opportunity to enjoy the game because our life does not revolve around college football. All this so a game can be broadcast on ESPNU.
+1,000,000,000

(and it's not just ESPNU....they put some midweek games on ESPN3....sacrificing attendance for an online broadcast....pathetic)


I hate midweek games too, but to say that it's being done "for an online broadcast" is to completely miss the point. The point is a package of games that include premier matchups on national television (espn or 2), secondary matchups on ESPNU, and at least online national (and high quality) broadcast on espn3 for, shall we say, less interesting contests. You can't just peg one matchup for espn or espn2, then have the rest of the games be saturday. Imagine the scheduling nightmare that creates, on top of the unfair number of prep days for the next matchup where one team gets a week and the other gets three days. Doesn't work.
Does work. Just takes a little work on a spreadsheet.

We generally know what games will be good each season. EMU vs anyone will not. Kent vs anyone will not. Etc.

This isn't rocket science. All those other leagues figure a way to sprinkle in some midweek games without going overboard and alienating fans from being able to reasonably attend a quarter of their games
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Posted: 11/12/2015 3:16 PM
Wasn't there a time when ONLY the MAC or maybe the non P5 schools had the week nite games. Currently, there is just too much football on the ESPN channels. does anyone seriously have the time to watch it all?
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Posted: 11/12/2015 10:48 PM
The truth of the matter is when it comes down to sports in 2015, much of it has a social aspect. Do you really think all of those students and alumni attending games in Columbus, Happy Valley, Ann Arbor, Gainesville, Austin, LA, etc are there for the football? Many are there for the tailgate, getting together with old friends, and perhaps hoping for a future meet-up or date.

There was some statistic in Major League baseball (a couple of years ago) that stated most of the mid season near-sellouts were directly related to promotional giveaways. With regard to college football, I have tailgated in lots of places, and I would be willing to bet that most of the people whom I were eating and drinking with could hardly name five players on the field.

I also believe there is a direct correlation between how involved your high school student body was in your high school sports programs. It seems to me that most of the die hard Bobcat fans I knew back in the day came from high schools that got behind their sports programs.

Compared to a couple of decades ago, there are many more forms of entertainment and social media that keep people busy, not to mention parents attending their children's youth sporting events. Schools in the Non-Power 5 have an uphill battle to keep the interest of students and alumni who are pulled in so many directions on a Saturday, let alone a weeknight.
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For the midweek crowds Ohio is battling the middle of the week and battling the weather. What I don't understand is why season ticket holders and students within an hour of the stadium can't show up for at least the 1st half of these no matter if its 30 degrees outside. The only excuse in my mind is if the team had nothing to play for. Bowl eligibility was on the line this week and next week a winning season can be guaranteed on senior night. Show up for 80 minutes and go home at a reasonable hour.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 11:25 PM
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Need to consider MAC fans who are to distant to attend live.

I can tell you that I love mid-week games. They lend excitement to the work week, make the day pass more quickly due to anticipation....and they leave my weekends more free (don't have to devote about 3 hours to paying attention to vidcast).
Also need to consider the players, recruits and their families. I'd be pretty underwhelmed coming out of the tunnel to a student side that was empty. Yay, I am on national TV(viewership in the 1,000's) but my parents couldn't make the trip to Athens because they have jobs, etc. And the way everyone on here is down on our talent(looking at you Monroe), have these mid-week games really improved our recruiting like some claim?
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For the midweek crowds Ohio is battling the middle of the week and battling the weather. What I don't understand is why season ticket holders and students within an hour of the stadium can't show up for at least the 1st half of these no matter if its 30 degrees outside. The only excuse in my mind is if the team had nothing to play for. Bowl eligibility was on the line this week and next week a winning season can be guaranteed on senior night. Show up for 80 minutes and go home at a reasonable hour.
Sorry. If I go to a game, I'm never planning on leaving early. Listening to the second half while I drive home doesn't sound like a good time.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 12:50 AM
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Need to consider MAC fans who are to distant to attend live.

I can tell you that I love mid-week games. They lend excitement to the work week, make the day pass more quickly due to anticipation....and they leave my weekends more free (don't have to devote about 3 hours to paying attention to vidcast).
Also need to consider the players, recruits and their families. I'd be pretty underwhelmed coming out of the tunnel to a student side that was empty. Yay, I am on national TV(viewership in the 1,000's) but my parents couldn't make the trip to Athens because they have jobs, etc. And the way everyone on here is down on our talent(looking at you Monroe), have these mid-week games really improved our recruiting like some claim?

Castigating fans for the quality of our recruits ???
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:46 AM
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Need to consider MAC fans who are to distant to attend live.

I can tell you that I love mid-week games. They lend excitement to the work week, make the day pass more quickly due to anticipation....and they leave my weekends more free (don't have to devote about 3 hours to paying attention to vidcast).
Also need to consider the players, recruits and their families. I'd be pretty underwhelmed coming out of the tunnel to a student side that was empty. Yay, I am on national TV(viewership in the 1,000's) but my parents couldn't make the trip to Athens because they have jobs, etc. And the way everyone on here is down on our talent(looking at you Monroe), have these mid-week games really improved our recruiting like some claim?

Castigating fans for the quality of our recruits ???
Not at all. The overdone MAC midweek scheduling.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 11:39 AM
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I still think we have the best fans in the MAC. However, let's take a little trip down memory lane and imagine what might have been. I finally found the article I read last year online talking about the decline in college football attendance, especially among Non-Power 5 schools. It is worth a read. It seems our fast paced remote control society is making its presence felt.

I hate to sound like an old man saying back in the Good Ole 80s. However, think about it for a minute. Anyone who remembers those days at Pedan. Imagine we were as good then as we were the last 10 years. Then imagine we were told ESPN was coming to town for weeknight game? Not only would the game be a sellout, but every bar in town would be packed after the game, win or lose. Yes, most of us would still have made it to class the next day ( I think we were heartier souls.) Anyway, I just think that unless you are a big time program, too many students will occupy themselves with other things.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solom...
Here's some anecdotal, but verifiable, memories from those 80's. My daughter was born in '81 and we attended games since she could walk. (She was always a favorite of the elder K. Kerr those days.....a wonderful Athenian icon.) Anyway, late season games were never attended to capacity. A November game against Central Michigan had a crowd of about 900 on the alumni side, at best, in the late going on that Saturday afternoon. No TV, no interwebs, no outside distractions to siphon off the crowd, and no MACtion midweek night matches. Attendance was not great in those Brian Burke days. But, it was gameday in Athens.
In fairness that CMU game was also the Saturday of finals, and we even had some players who were not at the game due to "taking finals". Oh how things have changed.
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