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Posted: 11/5/2015 1:56 PM
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This board has largely turned into a clown show. There are a lot of smart people here, but some of this stuff is just so far from reality and/or redundant to the extreme that it has become void of entertainment value.
Like I said in a post a few weeks ago, we are beginning to look like "those" fans. *looks at OSU and Marshall boards*
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Posted: 11/5/2015 2:08 PM
Last 5 years of career

1. 2. 3.

8-4 10-4 11-2
9-3 9-4 11-2
5-7 7-6 11-2
5-7 6-6 7-6
6-5 5-4 2-4

Two of the coaches resigned, one is still coaching.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 2:16 PM
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Let's not throw in the towel just yet. If we end the season @ 7-5 or 8-4 we will look back and say it was a good year all said and done.
This is a perfect example of being absolutely content with mediocrity.

7-5.....with wins over Akron, Miami, Kent, Ball, Idaho, SELA and Marshall....and embarrassing losses to Buffalo, WMU, BG, (most likely) NIU and tough loss to Minnesota

That is not what we should be about!

We can be better than that.....

7-5 with that resume is not a "good year all said and done"

Even 8-4 with a resume that you swap in a win at NIU isn't reaching our full potential in my opinion.

Since "The Sack" at Miami....to quote Monroe...we are in full meltdown mode.

2015:

L WMU 49-14
L Buffalo 41-17
L BG 62-24

2014:
L CMU 28-10
L BG 31-13
L WMU 42-21
L NIU 21-14

2013:
L Buffalo 30-3
L BG 49-0
L Kent 44-13

2012
L BG 26-14
L Ball 52-27
L Kent 28-6

THAT'S 0-13 TO ABOVE .500 MAC SCHOOLS?!?!?!

BY AN AVERAGE SCORE OF 38.6-13.5

That's flat out embarrassing and unacceptable. There's only one game on there we lost by less than 10 points.

C'mon. It's time. This is getting no better...only worse with every 62-24 loss.

I absolutely love and respect Frank for what he did to save this football program...but it is time to pass the torch (and NOT to any of his assistants)

Let Schaus make the next hire and let's cross our fingers it's a good one...and in time for the 2016 kickoff
As pointed out above, Frank has an obligation to his staff in his opinion. Unless a buyout happens, it's hard to see Frank leave early. We need some sugar daddies for that to happen-any takers?
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Posted: 11/5/2015 4:13 PM
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Does anyone here have $500k laying around that you want to pony up to buy out coach for 2016? If so, then drop an email to mailto:mailto:schaus@ohio.edu .
More like $1.3 million, once you add in all the assistant coach salaries. Albin, Burrow, et al. gotta get theirs too.

(I will say, I do find it an AWFUL odd coincidence that Frank's contract was extended in 2012, and the current collapse started mid-season 2012...)
At UVA, some of the assistants including DC Jon Tenuta and Mike Archer have two more years on their contracts and Mike London only has one more year. It appears they will still bring London back for his final year if they manage a fourth or fifth win.

To be honest, watching the Georgia program implode (my daughter is a freshman there) I am beginning to think that I am the problem.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 4:17 PM
Is it possible that we keep Frank Solich, hire Jim Grobe as co-head coach, and roll with a "Grumpy Old Men" coaching situation?

Please tell me this is possible. I'll hang up and listen.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 4:44 PM
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Is it possible that we keep Frank Solich, hire Jim Grobe as co-head coach, and roll with a "Grumpy Old Men" coaching situation?

Please tell me this is possible. I'll hang up and listen.
Grobe could fit the template we used with Solich where they are financially secure and simply want to coach for six to ten years and then retire from that job. It helps avoid hiring the young coach that either crashes and burns after three years or moves up to a better position. With that said, BG, Toledo and NIU have been able to maintain a pretty high level despite several short coaching stints.

Grobe could come back here and I don't think that means he would automatically change back to a pure triple option offense.

Many on the UVA board realize they probably should have hired him in 2001, a few still think he would be an upgrade now. Many would like to see him come back as the new Associate AD for Football or the Head AD. Littlepage the AD is due to retire and the Associate AD who has wrecked the football program with his micro-managing (forcing staff changes and hires) hinders the program for attracting a good coach.

I am very grateful for Frank rebuilding the program, but I am ready for a change.

As for injuries, every team is going to have them and you can expect lots of knee injuries such as a lineman getting bent in a pile. With that said, I do not know why we have so many chronic shoulder injuries. It seemed to start with Travis Carrie and it has been player after player like Ben Russell who had to give up football. I think we need to take a look at the conditioning program from several perspectives.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 5:15 PM
Grobe would be 64 yrs young by kickoff next year. I don't think that is a good option, as much as I love him.

Gimmie someone with energy...can relate to the kids...can really sell this program and bring a jolt to it.

I want some fire...someone people can get really excited about.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 5:52 PM
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Let's not throw in the towel just yet. If we end the season @ 7-5 or 8-4 we will look back and say it was a good year all said and done.
This is a perfect example of being absolutely content with mediocrity.

7-5.....with wins over Akron, Miami, Kent, Ball, Idaho, SELA and Marshall....and embarrassing losses to Buffalo, WMU, BG, (most likely) NIU and tough loss to Minnesota

That is not what we should be about!

We can be better than that.....

7-5 with that resume is not a "good year all said and done"

Even 8-4 with a resume that you swap in a win at NIU isn't reaching our full potential in my opinion.

Since "The Sack" at Miami....to quote Monroe...we are in full meltdown mode.

2015:

L WMU 49-14
L Buffalo 41-17
L BG 62-24

2014:
L CMU 28-10
L BG 31-13
L WMU 42-21
L NIU 21-14

2013:
L Buffalo 30-3
L BG 49-0
L Kent 44-13

2012
L BG 26-14
L Ball 52-27
L Kent 28-6

THAT'S 0-13 TO ABOVE .500 MAC SCHOOLS?!?!?!

BY AN AVERAGE SCORE OF 38.6-13.5

That's flat out embarrassing and unacceptable. There's only one game on there we lost by less than 10 points.

C'mon. It's time. This is getting no better...only worse with every 62-24 loss.

I absolutely love and respect Frank for what he did to save this football program...but it is time to pass the torch (and NOT to any of his assistants)

Let Schaus make the next hire and let's cross our fingers it's a good one...and in time for the 2016 kickoff
As pointed out above, Frank has an obligation to his staff in his opinion. Unless a buyout happens, it's hard to see Frank leave early. We need some sugar daddies for that to happen-any takers?
With few exceptions around the nation, assistants are on year to year contracts.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 6:18 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Grobe would be 64 yrs young by kickoff next year. I don't think that is a good option, as much as I love him.

Gimmie someone with energy...can relate to the kids...can really sell this program and bring a jolt to it.

I want some fire...someone people can get really excited about.
Gotta go with a wide-open offensive philosophy:
Bob Stitt
Tony Franklin
Tony Petersen
Major Applewhite

As someone said recently on some other thread, losing 63-60 shootouts is at least exciting.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 6:54 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Grobe would be 64 yrs young by kickoff next year. I don't think that is a good option, as much as I love him.

Gimmie someone with energy...can relate to the kids...can really sell this program and bring a jolt to it.

I want some fire...someone people can get really excited about.
Gotta go with a wide-open offensive philosophy:
Bob Stitt
Tony Franklin
Tony Petersen
Major Applewhite

As someone said recently on some other thread, losing 63-60 shootouts is at least exciting.
Hey, you left out Scott Frost
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:03 PM
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Hey, you left out Scott Frost

Thought about him, but I think he'd be out of our price range.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:14 PM
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Let's not throw in the towel just yet. If we end the season @ 7-5 or 8-4 we will look back and say it was a good year all said and done.
This is a perfect example of being absolutely content with mediocrity.

7-5.....with wins over Akron, Miami, Kent, Ball, Idaho, SELA and Marshall....and embarrassing losses to Buffalo, WMU, BG, (most likely) NIU and tough loss to Minnesota

That is not what we should be about!

We can be better than that.....

7-5 with that resume is not a "good year all said and done"

Even 8-4 with a resume that you swap in a win at NIU isn't reaching our full potential in my opinion.

Since "The Sack" at Miami....to quote Monroe...we are in full meltdown mode.

2015:

L WMU 49-14
L Buffalo 41-17
L BG 62-24

2014:
L CMU 28-10
L BG 31-13
L WMU 42-21
L NIU 21-14

2013:
L Buffalo 30-3
L BG 49-0
L Kent 44-13

2012
L BG 26-14
L Ball 52-27
L Kent 28-6

THAT'S 0-13 TO ABOVE .500 MAC SCHOOLS?!?!?!

BY AN AVERAGE SCORE OF 38.6-13.5

That's flat out embarrassing and unacceptable. There's only one game on there we lost by less than 10 points.

C'mon. It's time. This is getting no better...only worse with every 62-24 loss.

I absolutely love and respect Frank for what he did to save this football program...but it is time to pass the torch (and NOT to any of his assistants)

Let Schaus make the next hire and let's cross our fingers it's a good one...and in time for the 2016 kickoff
As pointed out above, Frank has an obligation to his staff in his opinion. Unless a buyout happens, it's hard to see Frank leave early. We need some sugar daddies for that to happen-any takers?
With few exceptions around the nation, assistants are on year to year contracts.

I understand that. I'm just saying that if Frank retires before his contract is up then his assistants are out if a job. Get it?
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:33 PM
No one likes people losing their jobs.

But people can't be kept employed simply because they're not bad people.

In most cases, a person can find the answer to whether he or she is worthy of keeping the job by looking in the mirror, by the performance of the person seen there.

There's almost always plenty of time to react to the trend of that performance before the axe hits.

Failure to react, failure to perform at a reasonable standard, therefore, brings the fair consequence.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 12:51 AM
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Does anyone here have $500k laying around that you want to pony up to buy out coach for 2016? If so, then drop an email to mailto:mailto:mailto:schaus@ohio.edu .

This is exactly why I have become apathetic about the situation. Unless the staff decides to fall on their own sword, this discussion is nothing more than anonymous internet venting by this message board. Our fanbase is not passionate enough to come up with the money, and it would be irresponsible financially for the school to make that decision with one year left on a contract.

What is happening with the program is pretty sad and painful to watch, but there is not much anyone can do about it either.
I didn't even realize this. That's frustrating.
Its called being patient. Solich hasn't had a losing season since 2008 and he already has 5 wins this year. He's under contract for 20 more months of salary (June 2017). The athletic department doesn't have a spare million laying around when its in the middle of Peden and Convo upgrades. Outside the experts of this board, the casual Bobcat fan isn't aware of the tailspin. They show up to the Saturday home games, watch us whip an inferior opponent and say that Solich sure knows what he's doing. The one they should be thanking is Schaus for dialing up the easy schedule and game improvements. In the offseason Babers, Campbell maybe Fleck could find jobs somewhere else. BG will be at home next year. Frank could luck out with the conference schedule and win the East. His salary has dropped from the highest in the MAC to middle of the pack the last couple of years and the assistants are cheap. With a new staff salaries may have to double.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 1:07 AM
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Hey, you left out Scott Frost

Thought about him, but I think he'd be out of our price range.
Scott Frost is making $367,584. He is absolutely in our price range. Major Applewhite is $301,000. Tony Franklin is $550,000. Tony Petersen is $200,000. Bring one of these guys in for $800,000 with a big buyout attached so when he goes the school gets a year's worth of salary paid back. Also Ohio is going to need to spend more on its coordinators. Burrow & Albin are making $130,000.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 7:03 AM
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Scott Frost is making $367,584. He is absolutely in our price range.
Is that base? I gotta believe he's got lots of Nike-fueled incentives and endorsement cash coming in too.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 7:45 AM
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Does anyone here have $500k laying around that you want to pony up to buy out coach for 2016? If so, then drop an email to mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:schaus@ohio.edu .

This is exactly why I have become apathetic about the situation. Unless the staff decides to fall on their own sword, this discussion is nothing more than anonymous internet venting by this message board. Our fanbase is not passionate enough to come up with the money, and it would be irresponsible financially for the school to make that decision with one year left on a contract.

What is happening with the program is pretty sad and painful to watch, but there is not much anyone can do about it either.
I didn't even realize this. That's frustrating.
Its called being patient. Solich hasn't had a losing season since 2008 and he already has 5 wins this year. He's under contract for 20 more months of salary (June 2017). The athletic department doesn't have a spare million laying around when its in the middle of Peden and Convo upgrades. Outside the experts of this board, the casual Bobcat fan isn't aware of the tailspin. They show up to the Saturday home games, watch us whip an inferior opponent and say that Solich sure knows what he's doing. The one they should be thanking is Schaus for dialing up the easy schedule and game improvements. In the offseason Babers, Campbell maybe Fleck could find jobs somewhere else. BG will be at home next year. Frank could luck out with the conference schedule and win the East. His salary has dropped from the highest in the MAC to middle of the pack the last couple of years and the assistants are cheap. With a new staff salaries may have to double.
+1!
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Posted: 11/6/2015 8:55 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Does anyone here have $500k laying around that you want to pony up to buy out coach for 2016? If so, then drop an email to mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:schaus@ohio.edu .

This is exactly why I have become apathetic about the situation. Unless the staff decides to fall on their own sword, this discussion is nothing more than anonymous internet venting by this message board. Our fanbase is not passionate enough to come up with the money, and it would be irresponsible financially for the school to make that decision with one year left on a contract.

What is happening with the program is pretty sad and painful to watch, but there is not much anyone can do about it either.
I didn't even realize this. That's frustrating.
Its called being patient. Solich hasn't had a losing season since 2008 and he already has 5 wins this year. He's under contract for 20 more months of salary (June 2017). The athletic department doesn't have a spare million laying around when its in the middle of Peden and Convo upgrades. Outside the experts of this board, the casual Bobcat fan isn't aware of the tailspin. They show up to the Saturday home games, watch us whip an inferior opponent and say that Solich sure knows what he's doing. The one they should be thanking is Schaus for dialing up the easy schedule and game improvements. In the offseason Babers, Campbell maybe Fleck could find jobs somewhere else. BG will be at home next year. Frank could luck out with the conference schedule and win the East. His salary has dropped from the highest in the MAC to middle of the pack the last couple of years and the assistants are cheap. With a new staff salaries may have to double.

Wes - according to this chart, Frank is number 2 in the MAC. The money for Fleck is way out of line for the MAC.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries /
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:11 AM
Knowing how limited our resources are, I don't think that it would be wise to fire him with basically one more year/season on his contract.

That being said I will be very disheartened if his contract is renewed before the end of the 2016 season. College football is a what have you done for me lately business and for Frank that list is not very long for me, minus consistently winning over Marshall and Miami. I am tired of my alma mater being a punching bag for the upper echelon of the MAC.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:29 AM
D.A., the Foundation and the University proved with the President's residence that they have money when they want money.

Now that being said, I feel that our coaches and support staff are underpaid.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:41 AM
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Is it possible that we keep Frank Solich, hire Jim Grobe as co-head coach, and roll with a "Grumpy Old Men" coaching situation?
Can they both fall in love with the same beautiful 60+ Italian professor?
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Posted: 11/6/2015 11:07 AM
If Solich were to leave, I would love Major Applewhite. He is a former QB, so we would finally get top notch talent at that position and he would open things up. I like Solich, he has to make some adjustments and play the best players.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 11:18 AM
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If Solich were to leave, I would love Major Applewhite. He is a former QB, so we would finally get top notch talent at that position and he would open things up. I like Solich, he has to make some adjustments and play the best players.
I really, really hope that the favorite players thing, regardless of talent, is just rumor on here.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 12:30 PM
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Does anyone here have $500k laying around that you want to pony up to buy out coach for 2016? If so, then drop an email to mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:schaus@ohio.edu .

This is exactly why I have become apathetic about the situation. Unless the staff decides to fall on their own sword, this discussion is nothing more than anonymous internet venting by this message board. Our fanbase is not passionate enough to come up with the money, and it would be irresponsible financially for the school to make that decision with one year left on a contract.

What is happening with the program is pretty sad and painful to watch, but there is not much anyone can do about it either.
I didn't even realize this. That's frustrating.
Its called being patient. Solich hasn't had a losing season since 2008 and he already has 5 wins this year. He's under contract for 20 more months of salary (June 2017). The athletic department doesn't have a spare million laying around when its in the middle of Peden and Convo upgrades. Outside the experts of this board, the casual Bobcat fan isn't aware of the tailspin. They show up to the Saturday home games, watch us whip an inferior opponent and say that Solich sure knows what he's doing. The one they should be thanking is Schaus for dialing up the easy schedule and game improvements. In the offseason Babers, Campbell maybe Fleck could find jobs somewhere else. BG will be at home next year. Frank could luck out with the conference schedule and win the East. His salary has dropped from the highest in the MAC to middle of the pack the last couple of years and the assistants are cheap. With a new staff salaries may have to double.

Wes - according to this chart, Frank is number 2 in the MAC. The money for Fleck is way out of line for the MAC.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries /
Alan good info. From those numbers the average base salary of CUSA, MAC and SBC teams is 547k. Holliday is the 5th highest paid at 755k (out of 37 schools). In between those numbers is 650k so that's a good benchmark. In two years time that sounds about where Ohio should pay. The real increase will have to be directed to the assistants.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:56 PM
Let's just give him a pass for 10 years, he has beat bottom feeder MAC teams here. This is our best strategy, if he loses for three years straight then we can look for a change, but let's ride the mediocre wave.
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