If I were smart, I'd just let this go. But I just can't seem to let go of this.

Here is Solich's record since 2005:

Year School G W L T Pct SRS SOS
2005 Ohio 11 4 7 0 .364 -11.71 -1.89
2006* Ohio 14 9 5 0 .643 -4.89 -6.03
2007 Ohio 12 6 6 0 .500 -9.09 -8.92
2008 Ohio 12 4 8 0 .333 -8.80 -4.64
2009* Ohio 14 9 5 0 .643 -1.89 -6.18
2010 Ohio 13 8 5 0 .615 -5.79 -9.86
2011* Ohio 14 10 4 0 .714 1.56 -5.73
2012 Ohio 13 9 4 0 .692 -2.75 -8.06
2013 Ohio 13 7 6 0 .538 -5.77 -6.85
2014 Ohio 12 6 6 0 .500 -9.79 -6.95
2015 Ohio 10 6 4 0 .600 -1.06 -3.56

See the asterisks? Those are the years the Bobcats won the East Division and played for the MACC. So what do you mean you're not competing for conference titles?

"We're not 9-3 every year!" So what? Very very few teams are. Can you tell me how that expectation is even reasonable?

I didn't even TRY to insinuate ALL Bobcat fans are dissatisfied with Husker-type success ... success that happened in the 70's, 80's and 90's, by the way. There have already been too many seasons in this 21st century since Frank was fired that fell far short of Bobcat achievements during that same period.

Check again the Bobcat W/L record from 2011-2014 and tell me Ohio is "a 6-6 or 7-5 program the last four years (about to become 5 years)" ... and this season isn't even over with yet. SHEESH!

And maybe L.C. can help out here because he's got Bobcat stats arranged every which way: I may be way off base but I doubt very seriously, based on the W/L record, that Ohio is 0-13 against MAC teams with winning records from 2011 - 2014.

A top 40 program??? SERIOUSLY???? That's certainly ambitious for a school the size of Ohio - I hope you get there in my lifetime. But c'mon - every school in the snow belt has the same problem: kids want to play where the sun shines and the phrase, "wind chill" is unheard of. It doesn't mean Ohio will never get the talent it needs to excel in the MAC but it will be awhile before Ohio becomes the next BYU or the next Boise State or comparable school. And it will take more than just a head coach - it will take several alumni with very deep pockets, together with a willing administration, to make that happen (and not in Solich's time).

[Isn't Ohio famous for its outstanding School of Journalism or something? I hate to be a grammar nazi but I absolutely abhor the phrase "try and ...." "I'm going to try and show him how it works." AAAAARRRRRRRGGGG!!! Either you're going to try TO show him, or you're GOING to show him. It's like nails on a chalk board. I haven't seen it on this board, but I've run across it in books and novels and I just CRINGE!!! Can your graduates do something about that? It's becoming more and more common every day. )

MAC victories from 2011 onward.
2011, we beat Buff, Kent, Akron, Temple, CMU BGSU and Miami
2012 we beat Akron, UMass, EMU and Buffalo
2013 we beat Akron, EMU, UMass and Miami
2014 we beat Miami Buffalo, Akron and KSU
This year we beat Miami, Kent and Akron.

Temple was 5-3 in the MAC in 2011, they beat Akron, Kent UMASS, Miami, Buffalo and Ball State, they lost to Toledo and BGSU besides us. They were 9-4, they beat who they were supposed to beat.

That was the last MAC team that we beat that finished with a winning record.

allen, violation of law does not equal monsters. I replied to your PM with some specifics. Let's keep it off of this thread.

2015:

L WMU 49-14
L Buffalo 41-17
L BG 62-24

2014:
L CMU 28-10
L BG 31-13
L WMU 42-21
L NIU 21-14

2013:
L Buffalo 30-3
L BG 49-0
L Kent 44-13

2012
L BG 26-14
L Ball 52-27
L Kent 28-6

That's 0-13 in the last 13 games we've played vs MAC teams that finished above .500 in the MAC.

2012 9-4
2013 7-6
2014 6-6
2015 6-4

Not a sniff of competing for MACC.

Avg record 7-5

(I mistyped by saying 'about to become five'. My mistake.)

I know 2015 isn't over. We have a chance to salvage a decent season, but the three ass-kickings in mid-season when it really mattered will be hard to forget.

You were the one who compared Nebraska fans running Frank out to a vocal bunch of us here trying to run Frank out, calling us spoiled brats.

I was saying Nebraska fans were totally unreasonable with their expectations and their inability to be satisfied with 9-3 seasons. (Frank was 58-19 in 6 yrs at Nebraska...avg 9-3)

I'm not expecting 9-3 every year at Ohio. I'm expecting competitive football within the MAC vs the better teams. We are NOT getting that these last four years and there has been little to nothing to convince me that we'll get back to competing for MACC.

And you called me a spoiled brat for wanting a football program that is competitive with the best teams in their league.

If you're satisfied with where this program is, good for you. I call that mediocrity. I'd like to strive for more. If that's spoiled, so be it. I'm comfortable with my realistic expectations.

You say solich hasn't shown you he can take us to a MACC but he has been too it 3 times. Add that to the fact he is recruiting better than ever logic will tell you he will get us back.

ROTFL!

"...Bob Wren, who never had a losing season during his 24 years as Ohio's baseball coach...."

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/141139512/mike-schmi...



If you want a fact that mark a fine coach.

I apologize for pointing out facts and obvious truths.

I accept the heat that approach will bring down on me.

+1

It's not worth the effort. I'm already on record as saying that 2015 would be substantially better than 2014, and that 2016 and 2017 would be Solich's best teams at Ohio, and also that the players who graduate in 2018 will leave having won more games than any other Bobcat class, surpassing the record of the class who graduated in 2013.

At this point the best thing to do is let the kids keep improving, and let them keep winning games. Some of the complainers will never admit they are wrong, and even if my predictions come true, they will still be unhappy and complaining.

Quick question about winning. Since teams in the MAC today can potentially play 14 games as compared to 10, 11 or 12 in years gone by, the statistic that I'd be most interested in seeing is what group had the best 4 year winning percentage. To me, that's a bigger deal that total wins (although I'll take a team with lots of wins too).

I would agree that win percentage is what matters, and honestly, the teams under Peden in the 20's and 30's no doubt had a higher 4 year win percentage than any modern teams.

it is unbelievable that grown men and women get upset when people tell the truth. We can be a Boise, we can be top 40 and Toledo and Northern are top 40 programs. I am only saying what the coaches and players say and think. Their goal is to win the MAC every year, they don't say lets go 6-6 and 7-5 and go to a bowl game. It's you mediocre people that do that, then to say you are tired of it. Grow up, face facts, we need to get better. We should not lose to anybody in the MAC by three touchdowns. Stop with the moral victories and the we beat Marshall and they won 9 games. That's the bull crap if there is any.