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L.C.
12/8/2024 6:06 PM
From my perspective, there are two plausible reasons why Albin left. One is that Charlotte offered him a ton of money, which doesn't make any sense. The other is this:
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
This is all on the athletic director and administration. They showed Coach Albin total disrespect. Are you kidding me? This guy was the sixth highest paid coach in the conference? The athletic director has only herself to blame. She could have got a deal done after the bowl win last season. Three consecutive ten win seasons and she showed the man no respect. [/QUOTE]It was rumored that they did offer Albin a raise after the MACC:
[QUOTE=bobcatsquared]Word from the motor city is that TA has been or will be offered a raise to $1.1m/yr.
Again, either $1.1m wasn't enough, or he didn't feel supported and respected by the AD or the administration, and the offer came far too late. One lesson I'm very sure that Albin brought with him from Frank is that life is much more fun if you know you have the full support of the President and the AD.

I'm not going to speculate on which it was, a money issue, or a support issue. I'm also not going to speculate on who the next coach will be. The only comment that I'm going to make is that Cromer is now in a risky position. She had an outstanding coach, but couldn't keep him. If the next coach is not similarly outstanding, she will get the blame for the transition. The buck always stops somewhere, and I expect that that's where it will stop.
Last Edited: 12/8/2024 6:08:23 PM by L.C.
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Bobcat1996
12/8/2024 8:34 PM
"or he didn't feel supported and respected by the AD or the administration, and the offer came far too late. One lesson I'm very sure that Albin brought with him from Frank is that life is much more fun if you know you have the full support of the President and the AD.

I'm not going to speculate on which it was, a money issue, or a support issue. I'm also not going to speculate on who the next coach will be. The only comment that I'm going to make is that Cromer is now in a risky position. She had an outstanding coach, but couldn't keep him. If the next coach is not similarly outstanding, she will get the blame for the transition. The buck always stops somewhere, and I expect that that's where it will stop."


You just hit the lotto LC Bingo!!!
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ohio9704
12/8/2024 9:45 PM
Jon Greenberg (OU Alum, The Athletic) tweeted this, interesting resume if we go outside the current staff.

https://x.com/jon_greenberg/status/1865949185154936910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jacobs_(American_football )
Last Edited: 12/8/2024 10:01:34 PM by ohio9704
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colobobcat66
12/8/2024 9:58 PM
The more I think about our current situation, I wonder if Hauser actually gets a gig somewhere else in the near future -not at Charlotte. The defense has been stellar , with or without Nowinsky.
Another bold prediction-I’m almost always wrong but may get it right sometime.
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cbarber357
12/8/2024 10:01 PM
ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
Jon Greenberg (OU Alum, The Athletic) tweeted this, interesting resume if we outside the current staff.

https://x.com/jon_greenberg/status/1865949185154936910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jacobs_(American_football )
Seems like a solid choice to me. If Parker isn’t here next year, maybe he can use that OSU connection to bring Devin Brown and a receiver or two in the portal down from Columbus.
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bobcatgrad
12/8/2024 10:04 PM
I feel like the best situation would probably be making Brian Smith the next head coach so we can try and keep continuity of the winning tradition we have had up until now by retaining as many coaches on the current coaching staff as possible.
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Casper71
12/8/2024 10:04 PM
Any successful high school coach sounds like Jerry Foust 2.0 to me.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/8/2024 10:09 PM
ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
Jon Greenberg (OU Alum, The Athletic) tweeted this, interesting resume if we go outside the current staff.

https://x.com/jon_greenberg/status/1865949185154936910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jacobs_(American_football )
You've got Brian Smith on the roster, don't get cute. He's not much older, and his resume is far more impressive.

Spense might be willing to come back. He has Memphis ranked in the Top 25. Would be a nice hire, and a positive spin on a bizarre weekend.

Short list of names.

I mean no disrespect to this guy, but worst-case-scenario would be hiring a one-year FCS coach.
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Bobcats1212
12/9/2024 1:44 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
Jon Greenberg (OU Alum, The Athletic) tweeted this, interesting resume if we go outside the current staff.

https://x.com/jon_greenberg/status/1865949185154936910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jacobs_(American_football )
You've got Brian Smith on the roster, don't get cute. He's not much older, and his resume is far more impressive.

Spense might be willing to come back. He has Memphis ranked in the Top 25. Would be a nice hire, and a positive spin on a bizarre weekend.

Short list of names.

I mean no disrespect to this guy, but worst-case-scenario would be hiring a one-year FCS coach.

I think we should look at the following and in this order:

1. Spence Nowinsky (Memphis DC)
2. Tyler Tettleton (Jaguars assistant and former OU quarterback)
3. Brian Smith (Current OC)
4. Brenna Marion (UNLV OC)
5. Coach O (Former LSU Coach) Only for fun and the burrow connection.
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Valley Cat
12/9/2024 7:05 AM
Smith and Nowinsky are the list. Let's not overthink this. Too much momentum. Keep this group together as much as possible. Keep this recruiting class in tact as much as possible.
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SBH
12/9/2024 7:09 AM
bobcatgrad wrote:expand_more
I feel like the best situation would probably be making Brian Smith the next head coach so we can try and keep continuity of the winning tradition we have had up until now by retaining as many coaches on the current coaching staff as possible.
Yes, and up our assistants' pay beyond what Albin can offer so they have zero reason to make the same lateral move to Charlotte.
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Bobcat1998
12/9/2024 7:30 AM
Valley Cat wrote:expand_more
Smith and Nowinsky are the list. Let's not overthink this. Too much momentum. Keep this group together as much as possible. Keep this recruiting class in tact as much as possible.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think back to when Groce left. I am not sure if Dustin got more money to join him or if it was ever looked at but I thought that with the guys we had back coming off a Sweet 16 that Dustin Ford should have been our head coach when Groce went to Illinois. I believed this for the continuity piece. Instead we get a retread who was only looking to further his own personal pockets rather than immerse himself into the OU culture. I feel the same if Boals were to leave. I would hire Lamar 2 minutes later.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/9/2024 7:43 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I feel like the best situation would probably be making Brian Smith the next head coach so we can try and keep continuity of the winning tradition we have had up until now by retaining as many coaches on the current coaching staff as possible.
Yes, and up our assistants' pay beyond what Albin can offer so they have zero reason to make the same lateral move to Charlotte.
If we could just magically do that, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Assistant pay, maybe even more than head coach pay, is a big reason entire staffs take new jobs.
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Cats5
12/9/2024 7:56 AM
Mike Mitchell tweeted that his people will reach out to OU so I'm kinda hoping that's for a spot on the coaching staff. I know he's been with the Colts for a few years now.
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Mike Coleman
12/9/2024 8:07 AM
Cats5 wrote:expand_more
Mike Mitchell tweeted that his people will reach out to OU so I'm kinda hoping that's for a spot on the coaching staff. I know he's been with the Colts for a few years now.
Maybe not the needed pedigree for HC yet but man does this give me chills:

https://x.com/ohiofootball/status/1865400101918659044?s=4...
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SBH
12/9/2024 8:11 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I feel like the best situation would probably be making Brian Smith the next head coach so we can try and keep continuity of the winning tradition we have had up until now by retaining as many coaches on the current coaching staff as possible.
Yes, and up our assistants' pay beyond what Albin can offer so they have zero reason to make the same lateral move to Charlotte.
If we could just magically do that, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Assistant pay, maybe even more than head coach pay, is a big reason entire staffs take new jobs.
I agree we couldn't magically do this before, but the buyout money plus the expectation we would have had to pay Albin at least $1MM to stay puts us in a place to do it now.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/9/2024 8:32 AM
Bobcats1212 wrote:expand_more
Jon Greenberg (OU Alum, The Athletic) tweeted this, interesting resume if we go outside the current staff.

https://x.com/jon_greenberg/status/1865949185154936910

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jacobs_(American_football )
You've got Brian Smith on the roster, don't get cute. He's not much older, and his resume is far more impressive.

Spense might be willing to come back. He has Memphis ranked in the Top 25. Would be a nice hire, and a positive spin on a bizarre weekend.

Short list of names.

I mean no disrespect to this guy, but worst-case-scenario would be hiring a one-year FCS coach.

I think we should look at the following and in this order:

1. Spence Nowinsky (Memphis DC)
2. Tyler Tettleton (Jaguars assistant and former OU quarterback)
3. Brian Smith (Current OC)
4. Brenna Marion (UNLV OC)
5. Coach O (Former LSU Coach) Only for fun and the burrow connection.

Oh interesting. First time I’m seeing Tett, I think he doesn’t have enough experience, but as a QB coach maybe. That would be cool. Maybe even offensive coordinator. He’s only ever been an assistant position coach. Would be a pretty big jump from assistant wr analyst to head coach at any level.
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ts1227
12/9/2024 8:46 AM
The internal guys may be the best option, but you have to at least look outside. That’s how high schools operate, not D-1 athletic programs.

To assume that only what is in the Athens bubble is the best with blinders on is how the baseball team ends up with Carbone sucking for decades and no one doing a thing about it.
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Mike Coleman
12/9/2024 8:55 AM
Let’s remember that Albin was 3-9 until Smith, Nowitsky, and Hauser showed. And Smith replaced Tettleton.

I think they all deserve their interviews.
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Tymaster
12/9/2024 8:56 AM
Cromer is looking outside rn, she does have SEC ties.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/9/2024 8:58 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I feel like the best situation would probably be making Brian Smith the next head coach so we can try and keep continuity of the winning tradition we have had up until now by retaining as many coaches on the current coaching staff as possible.
Yes, and up our assistants' pay beyond what Albin can offer so they have zero reason to make the same lateral move to Charlotte.
If we could just magically do that, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Assistant pay, maybe even more than head coach pay, is a big reason entire staffs take new jobs.
I agree we couldn't magically do this before, but the buyout money plus the expectation we would have had to pay Albin at least $1MM to stay puts us in a place to do it now.
I hope so. I'm curious how much they buyout helps... will much of that go to a search firm for hiring the next guy?
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Mike Coleman
12/9/2024 9:03 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I feel like the best situation would probably be making Brian Smith the next head coach so we can try and keep continuity of the winning tradition we have had up until now by retaining as many coaches on the current coaching staff as possible.
Yes, and up our assistants' pay beyond what Albin can offer so they have zero reason to make the same lateral move to Charlotte.
If we could just magically do that, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Assistant pay, maybe even more than head coach pay, is a big reason entire staffs take new jobs.
I agree we couldn't magically do this before, but the buyout money plus the expectation we would have had to pay Albin at least $1MM to stay puts us in a place to do it now.
I hope so. I'm curious how much they buyout helps... will much of that go to a search firm for hiring the next guy?
Each contract is different. It will be interesting to see the details, but there isn’t any real media to do so. I’m sure the contract is an easy FOIA.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/9/2024 9:04 AM
ts1227 wrote:expand_more
The internal guys may be the best option, but you have to at least look outside. That’s how high schools operate, not D-1 athletic programs.

To assume that only what is in the Athens bubble is the best with blinders on is how the baseball team ends up with Carbone sucking for decades and no one doing a thing about it.
I agree - generally, BUT I think for us and even the MAC consistency and continuity is what makes OU unique and what has built a tradition. Frank being here for for two decades is obviously unique. Then Tim steps right in. Almost gave us 5, just kept the show going. Now I think we have a unique opportunity to actually bring in “an outsider” who has been on staff now for 3 years. His experience at Hawaii and Washington State is about as far from Athens as you can get. Shit he wears a Lea in the booth most games. His contacts are almost all outside of our region. It’s a shake up - without being a shake up.
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L.C.
12/9/2024 9:27 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
I agree - generally, BUT I think for us and even the MAC consistency and continuity is what makes OU unique and what has built a tradition. Frank being here for for two decades is obviously unique. Then Tim steps right in. Almost gave us 5, just kept the show going. Now I think we have a unique opportunity to actually bring in “an outsider” who has been on staff now for 3 years. His experience at Hawaii and Washington State is about as far from Athens as you can get. Shit he wears a Lea in the booth most games. His contacts are almost all outside of our region. It’s a shake up - without being a shake up.

Consistency and continuity only matters until it doesn't. Twenty years of consistency, continuity and success has been nice, but it's not all that long. Nebraska is the best example I can give. They had consistency, continuity, and success for 40 years, until an AD decided he needed to shake things up and go with a more modern approach. Ohio will get whatever is Cromer's wish, which might be continuity, or it might be something entirely new.

Do keep in mind that, whoever is hired, the single best predictor of how a football team will do in the long run has always been the quality of recruits in the immediate area surrounding the school. Yes, they can bring in some good recruits from outside the area, and things like tradition, continuity, and success help with that, but they still need a core of local recruits. The portal may change this, somewhat, but it remains to be seen.
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ts1227
12/9/2024 9:52 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
The internal guys may be the best option, but you have to at least look outside. That’s how high schools operate, not D-1 athletic programs.

To assume that only what is in the Athens bubble is the best with blinders on is how the baseball team ends up with Carbone sucking for decades and no one doing a thing about it.
I agree - generally, BUT I think for us and even the MAC consistency and continuity is what makes OU unique and what has built a tradition. Frank being here for for two decades is obviously unique. Then Tim steps right in. Almost gave us 5, just kept the show going. Now I think we have a unique opportunity to actually bring in “an outsider” who has been on staff now for 3 years. His experience at Hawaii and Washington State is about as far from Athens as you can get. Shit he wears a Lea in the booth most games. His contacts are almost all outside of our region. It’s a shake up - without being a shake up.
I think he’s definitely a good choice. Just need to make sure there’s some due diligence done with it.
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