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Bobcat1996
11/30/2024 1:01 PM
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Posted: 11/29/2024 5:50:57 PM

I’m not going to eat my words until Ohio wins a MAC Championship. That’s been the goal since Frank got here, and it still hasn’t happened.

We need to reach that goal.

Ohio football has now won or tied for two regular season MAC championships in the last four seasons. Banners are hung in the Convocation Center for those type of accomplishments and football does not get two chances like teams in the roundhouse get. Or for that matter like softball/baseball get. Baseball, Volleyball, Softball and Basketball does not have to end up in first or second to get in the conference tournament.
Get out of here with that nonsense. The only thing that matters is a MAC Championship Banner.
If it matters to him then it matters to him. Sports are for entertainment. It is hard to tell someone what they should and shouldn't find personally entertaining.

This has, IMO, been a good season. That is especially true given preseason expectations. It will be a great one of we win the MAC Championship. But, for me, I would not say that the MACC is the only thing that matters. A season with a MACC might be great but in my opinion a win in any of the three games we lost would have made a pretty big difference in in being a lot better.
JHS- All I said in the above comment is that banners are hung in the roundhouse for the same type of accomplishment that football has achieved two out of the last three seasons. If they are not important, then why do they hang them for basketball, volleyball and other sports?
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Casper71
11/30/2024 7:14 PM
I consider this a co-championship season. Throughout league play we have tied Miami as champions. Unfortunately we’ve lost a tiebreaker, but that still makes us co champions. Each with one loss. I definitely wanna beat Miami to get rid of this jinx that we’ve had since 1968. What better way to do it then by beating Miami.But win or lose this has been a very good season. Who can complain?
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Bobcats1212
11/30/2024 7:38 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
I consider this a co-championship season. Throughout league play we have tied Miami as champions. Unfortunately we’ve lost a tiebreaker, but that still makes us co champions. Each with one loss. I definitely wanna beat Miami to get rid of this jinx that we’ve had since 1968. What better way to do it then by beating Miami.But win or lose this has been a very good season. Who can complain?
Disagree. If we don't win the MAC then this season is just average. Just like how Frank was just average and doesn't deserve to be treated like Nick Saban. I like winning championships.
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Victory
11/30/2024 8:33 PM
Bobcats1212 wrote:expand_more
I consider this a co-championship season. Throughout league play we have tied Miami as champions. Unfortunately we’ve lost a tiebreaker, but that still makes us co champions. Each with one loss. I definitely wanna beat Miami to get rid of this jinx that we’ve had since 1968. What better way to do it then by beating Miami.But win or lose this has been a very good season. Who can complain?
Disagree. If we don't win the MAC then this season is just average. Just like how Frank was just average and doesn't deserve to be treated like Nick Saban. I like winning championships.
I've seen that co-champions of the regular season in some articles on the MAC Championship, our game, or Miami's game. I don't know if that's a thing the MAC actually recognizes now that there are no divisions. Miami and Ohio are the only 7-1 teams so it makes perfect sense to have them square off to decide who is the outright champion.

If you have a 6-way tie and you get so deep in a tiebreaker that it is hard to figure out the two that get to play, but as far as teams knew which games would actually turn out to end up mattering when they played them actually knowing that at the time pretty much was random. Saying you can declare a clear cut champion by picking two with whatever nonsense your tiebreaker says to play each other doesn't make sense. And saying all 6 earned at least a share of some type of Championship does make sense to me.
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BillyTheCat
12/1/2024 10:06 PM
Bobcats1212 wrote:expand_more
I consider this a co-championship season. Throughout league play we have tied Miami as champions. Unfortunately we’ve lost a tiebreaker, but that still makes us co champions. Each with one loss. I definitely wanna beat Miami to get rid of this jinx that we’ve had since 1968. What better way to do it then by beating Miami.But win or lose this has been a very good season. Who can complain?
Disagree. If we don't win the MAC then this season is just average. Just like how Frank was just average and doesn't deserve to be treated like Nick Saban. I like winning championships.
So you stating we named a field after an average Hall of Fame Coach? I bet your resume has all types of awards next to it.
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Bobcatzblitz
12/2/2024 1:31 AM
The Frank Solich disrespect is CRAZY. What Coach did at Ohio transcends any MAC Championship. Without his tenure I doubt Ohio would even have a Football Program.
Liberty University would be in The MAC in it's place.
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SBH
12/2/2024 6:13 AM
Frank was a great coach, but throughout his tenure in Athens there were serious, head scratching losses. Getting blown out at Kent when a birth in the MACC was at stake, etc.

Let's also remember that Frank's arrival coincided with a serious financial investment in the program by Rod McDavis. Frank had access to resources his predecessors had long asked for. We finally got serious about being a legitimate competitor in the MAC.

Even without Frank, we would still have football today because our president and the Board of Trustees finally realized they could no longer afford to half-ass the program.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/2/2024 9:37 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
The Frank Solich disrespect is CRAZY. What Coach did at Ohio transcends any MAC Championship. Without his tenure I doubt Ohio would even have a Football Program.
Liberty University would be in The MAC in it's place.
I feel like I say this all the time, but people on here LOVE a MAC Championship. Way too much.

Would you rather be Ball State and point over at your pretty sign while getting pummeled or win 10-games in 3-straight seasons? What good has winning done them?

SURE it would be lovely to have, and scary enough I think more than half of you would trade relevance for 1 MACC, but I think everyone outside Toledo would take our string of success (or lack of success to some) over their random MACC and futility the rest of the time.
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Bobcat1996
12/3/2024 10:08 AM
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Bobcat1996
12/3/2024 10:11 AM
Agree 100 per cent with the above comments. Especially the part about ten win seasons.
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OhioBobcat
12/3/2024 10:29 AM
Don't count me in the "we" category about the title of this thread. I have ALWAYS been on board and in support of Albin. Frankly, it ticks me off about some of the things that were and have been said about him over the last several years by some people on here. First and foremost, he's a GREAT person. Second of all, he's a great coach. Third, his players love him. And lastly, he's a winner. It irritates the hell out of me that people who badmouthed him are now finally realizing these things and are now in favor of backing him because Ohio is on the verge of a MAC Championship. He's the same guy doing the exact same thing he was ever since he took over the head coaching job here, or even when he was a coordinator here for that matter. This guy is very likely to be names MAC Coach of the Year again. It's about damn time some people realize it.
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Bobcat1996
12/3/2024 3:50 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
Don't count me in the "we" category about the title of this thread. I have ALWAYS been on board and in support of Albin. Frankly, it ticks me off about some of the things that were and have been said about him over the last several years by some people on here. First and foremost, he's a GREAT person. Second of all, he's a great coach. Third, his players love him. And lastly, he's a winner. It irritates the hell out of me that people who badmouthed him are now finally realizing these things and are now in favor of backing him because Ohio is on the verge of a MAC Championship. He's the same guy doing the exact same thing he was ever since he took over the head coaching job here, or even when he was a coordinator here for that matter. This guy is very likely to be names MAC Coach of the Year again. It's about damn time some people realize it.
Amen!!! Especially the last sentence.
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OhioCatFan
12/4/2024 11:16 AM
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Don't count me in the "we" category about the title of this thread. I have ALWAYS been on board and in support of Albin. Frankly, it ticks me off about some of the things that were and have been said about him over the last several years by some people on here. First and foremost, he's a GREAT person. Second of all, he's a great coach. Third, his players love him. And lastly, he's a winner. It irritates the hell out of me that people who badmouthed him are now finally realizing these things and are now in favor of backing him because Ohio is on the verge of a MAC Championship. He's the same guy doing the exact same thing he was ever since he took over the head coaching job here, or even when he was a coordinator here for that matter. This guy is very likely to be names MAC Coach of the Year again. It's about damn time some people realize it.
Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
12/4/2024 3:27 PM
Gimme a slice of that crow.....so glad I am wrong on this one.
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Bobcat1996
12/4/2024 6:05 PM
You people who were Frank supporters and continued to bash Coach Albin were completely wrong. Just admit you should eat crow! He got hired a few weeks before the 2021 season and had a bad year, including a ton of injuries. How do you feel now that the team has just won 10 games back to back and can achieve that accomplishment again for the third consecutive season? Coach Solich knew what he was doing and Coach Albin of course knows what he is doing.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/4/2024 6:42 PM
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Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
Everybody was displeased with the on-the-field results, and nobody suggested that it wasn't a reasonable take that Albin might not be the right person for the job.

What people -- including myself -- took issue with was that your stance was 1) that Julie Cromer was out-negotiated by offering the job to Albin in a non-interim capacity, 2) We should immediately buy Albin out of his contract with money we don't have, 3) That the contract itself -- which included an out after year two -- was somehow an abomination, and 4) that Frank Solich himself should have worked with Cromer to avoid Albin getting the job.

It was perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Albin. Basically everybody did in year one. It was everything else you said at the time that was unreasonable.
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SBH
12/4/2024 7:19 PM
In his defense, all of that was before his "sabbatical" from this forum.
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OhioCatFan
12/4/2024 9:17 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
Everybody was displeased with the on-the-field results, and nobody suggested that it wasn't a reasonable take that Albin might not be the right person for the job.

What people -- including myself -- took issue with was that your stance was 1) that Julie Cromer was out-negotiated by offering the job to Albin in a non-interim capacity, 2) We should immediately buy Albin out of his contract with money we don't have, 3) That the contract itself -- which included an out after year two -- was somehow an abomination, and 4) that Frank Solich himself should have worked with Cromer to avoid Albin getting the job.

It was perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Albin. Basically everybody did in year one. It was everything else you said at the time that was unreasonable.
Please review your extensive notes on my every word, perhaps a complicated relational database, and you’ll discover that you’ve melded some of what I said with some things that others said in the same threads. You’ve created a composite me to fit your own perceptions of what a hypocrite like me would think and say. Yes, I wanted him fired. Yes I was worried he was Knorr 2.0. Most of the rest of what you say I said is pure BS.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/4/2024 10:02 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
Everybody was displeased with the on-the-field results, and nobody suggested that it wasn't a reasonable take that Albin might not be the right person for the job.

What people -- including myself -- took issue with was that your stance was 1) that Julie Cromer was out-negotiated by offering the job to Albin in a non-interim capacity, 2) We should immediately buy Albin out of his contract with money we don't have, 3) That the contract itself -- which included an out after year two -- was somehow an abomination, and 4) that Frank Solich himself should have worked with Cromer to avoid Albin getting the job.

It was perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Albin. Basically everybody did in year one. It was everything else you said at the time that was unreasonable.
Please review your extensive notes on my every word, perhaps a complicated relational database, and you’ll discover that you’ve melded some of what I said with some things that others said in the same threads. You’ve created a composite me to fit your own perceptions of what a hypocrite like me would think and say. Yes, I wanted him fired. Yes I was worried he was Knorr 2.0. Most of the rest of what you say I said is pure BS.
I don't need to keep a database. This is the internet and the things you post on this site are still on this site. It's very easy to search them. As easy as buying tickets online without accidentally buying 2x as many as you tried to.

Here's you agreeing with somebody saying that Cromer should be fired, and suggesting she have no role in hiring the next coach. https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

Further down the same thread you support Felix's view, which is that Cromer and Albin are incompetent.

Later in that same conversation, you suggest the "interim" approach.

Here's you suggesting we raise money to buyout Albin: https://bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=...

Here's you suggesting that "rpbobcats" suggestion might work: https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

His suggestion? Frank should have pretended he wasn't retiring, and was taking a medical leave of absence so Albin would have been forced into an interim role.

So yeah, pure BS indeed. Good thing I remember what you say, because you sure don't.
Last Edited: 12/4/2024 10:03:31 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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12/4/2024 10:40 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
Everybody was displeased with the on-the-field results, and nobody suggested that it wasn't a reasonable take that Albin might not be the right person for the job.

What people -- including myself -- took issue with was that your stance was 1) that Julie Cromer was out-negotiated by offering the job to Albin in a non-interim capacity, 2) We should immediately buy Albin out of his contract with money we don't have, 3) That the contract itself -- which included an out after year two -- was somehow an abomination, and 4) that Frank Solich himself should have worked with Cromer to avoid Albin getting the job.

It was perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Albin. Basically everybody did in year one. It was everything else you said at the time that was unreasonable.
Please review your extensive notes on my every word, perhaps a complicated relational database, and you’ll discover that you’ve melded some of what I said with some things that others said in the same threads. You’ve created a composite me to fit your own perceptions of what a hypocrite like me would think and say. Yes, I wanted him fired. Yes I was worried he was Knorr 2.0. Most of the rest of what you say I said is pure BS.
I don't need to keep a database. This is the internet and the things you post on this site are still on this site. It's very easy to search them. As easy as buying tickets online without accidentally buying 2x as many as you tried to.

Here's you agreeing with somebody saying that Cromer should be fired, and suggesting she have no role in hiring the next coach. https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

Further down the same thread you support Felix's view, which is that Cromer and Albin are incompetent.

Later in that same conversation, you suggest the "interim" approach.

Here's you suggesting we raise money to buyout Albin: https://bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=...

Here's you suggesting that "rpbobcats" suggestion might work: https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

His suggestion? Frank should have pretended he wasn't retiring, and was taking a medical leave of absence so Albin would have been forced into an interim role.

So yeah, pure BS indeed. Good thing I remember what you say, because you sure don't.
You were certainly implying that all of these things were my ideas, not that I agreed to one extent or another with some statements others had made. I do remember what my own thoughts at the time were, not necessarily every post of someone else’s that I might have given a little encouragement to. In one case you site, my level of agreement was saying I thought there was a “kernel of truth” in their statement. I’m not sure, but I’ve gotten the impression that you like to argue for the sake of arguing sometimes.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/5/2024 5:50 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
Everybody was displeased with the on-the-field results, and nobody suggested that it wasn't a reasonable take that Albin might not be the right person for the job.

What people -- including myself -- took issue with was that your stance was 1) that Julie Cromer was out-negotiated by offering the job to Albin in a non-interim capacity, 2) We should immediately buy Albin out of his contract with money we don't have, 3) That the contract itself -- which included an out after year two -- was somehow an abomination, and 4) that Frank Solich himself should have worked with Cromer to avoid Albin getting the job.

It was perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Albin. Basically everybody did in year one. It was everything else you said at the time that was unreasonable.
Please review your extensive notes on my every word, perhaps a complicated relational database, and you’ll discover that you’ve melded some of what I said with some things that others said in the same threads. You’ve created a composite me to fit your own perceptions of what a hypocrite like me would think and say. Yes, I wanted him fired. Yes I was worried he was Knorr 2.0. Most of the rest of what you say I said is pure BS.
I don't need to keep a database. This is the internet and the things you post on this site are still on this site. It's very easy to search them. As easy as buying tickets online without accidentally buying 2x as many as you tried to.

Here's you agreeing with somebody saying that Cromer should be fired, and suggesting she have no role in hiring the next coach. https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

Further down the same thread you support Felix's view, which is that Cromer and Albin are incompetent.

Later in that same conversation, you suggest the "interim" approach.

Here's you suggesting we raise money to buyout Albin: https://bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=...

Here's you suggesting that "rpbobcats" suggestion might work: https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

His suggestion? Frank should have pretended he wasn't retiring, and was taking a medical leave of absence so Albin would have been forced into an interim role.

So yeah, pure BS indeed. Good thing I remember what you say, because you sure don't.
You were certainly implying that all of these things were my ideas, not that I agreed to one extent or another with some statements others had made. I do remember what my own thoughts at the time were, not necessarily every post of someone else’s that I might have given a little encouragement to. In one case you site, my level of agreement was saying I thought there was a “kernel of truth” in their statement. I’m not sure, but I’ve gotten the impression that you like to argue for the sake of arguing sometimes.
Oh, I see. Sorry, I assumed that we were going to use the word "agreed" with its accepted definition in the English language. My bad. Didn't realize when you agree with things others say, it means you might, possibly agree in part, but that saying you agree doesn't count as an endorsement of the idea unless the idea originated with you.

Makes perfect sense, and you were right to call me out for "pure BS" since you only agreed with those ideas in writing "to an extent" or gave "a little encouragement to" them.

You definitely don't sound like a politician right now at all. You're just a guy who agreed with (to an extent) and gave a "little encouragement to" other people's ideas, but they weren't your ideas, so characterizing them as your opinion just because you agreed with them in writing is an unfair characterization on my part because you were thinking different things when you wrote them.

I'll stop assuming the things you post here have anything to do with what you think, and start asking instead, after 2 years of hindsight, what you were actually thinking at the time you posted to make sure you have the chance to revise any instances where what you said and agreed with (or gave some encouragement to) might differ from the feelings you had when you said and agreed with those things.

Apologies. Sounds perfectly reasonable now that you lay it out for me.
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12/5/2024 11:08 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Come on Man! Not everyone knows your Uncle Tim as well as you do. When he took over the reins, it certainly looked to us average Joe and Jill fans like he was Knorr 2.0. Not only was did he have the "dear-in-the-headlight look" on the field, but he had trouble putting together two complete sentences in a row in an interview. His record that first year was horrible. Why you are upset that we reacted to what we saw at the time is beyond me.

Now in retrospect, it's clear that he is a good coach and that many of his stumbles in that first year were due to the fact he had to take over the team on such short notice with little time to properly prepare. He is immensely better in interviews now, and he has a much more confident look on the sidelines. In the last few years, I have gained better insight into his character than I had at the beginning of his tenure as head coach. I personally especially appreciate that he has been wearing the Block O hat as a tribute to Bill Hess. This to me shows a commitment to the program that is very deep. I'm a big Tim fan now. Forgive me for not recognizing his coaching brilliance and his laudable personal qualities two seconds after he became head coach.
Everybody was displeased with the on-the-field results, and nobody suggested that it wasn't a reasonable take that Albin might not be the right person for the job.

What people -- including myself -- took issue with was that your stance was 1) that Julie Cromer was out-negotiated by offering the job to Albin in a non-interim capacity, 2) We should immediately buy Albin out of his contract with money we don't have, 3) That the contract itself -- which included an out after year two -- was somehow an abomination, and 4) that Frank Solich himself should have worked with Cromer to avoid Albin getting the job.

It was perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Albin. Basically everybody did in year one. It was everything else you said at the time that was unreasonable.
Please review your extensive notes on my every word, perhaps a complicated relational database, and you’ll discover that you’ve melded some of what I said with some things that others said in the same threads. You’ve created a composite me to fit your own perceptions of what a hypocrite like me would think and say. Yes, I wanted him fired. Yes I was worried he was Knorr 2.0. Most of the rest of what you say I said is pure BS.
I don't need to keep a database. This is the internet and the things you post on this site are still on this site. It's very easy to search them. As easy as buying tickets online without accidentally buying 2x as many as you tried to.

Here's you agreeing with somebody saying that Cromer should be fired, and suggesting she have no role in hiring the next coach. https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

Further down the same thread you support Felix's view, which is that Cromer and Albin are incompetent.

Later in that same conversation, you suggest the "interim" approach.

Here's you suggesting we raise money to buyout Albin: https://bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=...

Here's you suggesting that "rpbobcats" suggestion might work: https://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromP...

His suggestion? Frank should have pretended he wasn't retiring, and was taking a medical leave of absence so Albin would have been forced into an interim role.

So yeah, pure BS indeed. Good thing I remember what you say, because you sure don't.
You were certainly implying that all of these things were my ideas, not that I agreed to one extent or another with some statements others had made. I do remember what my own thoughts at the time were, not necessarily every post of someone else’s that I might have given a little encouragement to. In one case you site, my level of agreement was saying I thought there was a “kernel of truth” in their statement. I’m not sure, but I’ve gotten the impression that you like to argue for the sake of arguing sometimes.
Oh, I see. Sorry, I assumed that we were going to use the word "agreed" with its accepted definition in the English language. My bad. Didn't realize when you agree with things others say, it means you might, possibly agree in part, but that saying you agree doesn't count as an endorsement of the idea unless the idea originated with you.

Makes perfect sense, and you were right to call me out for "pure BS" since you only agreed with those ideas in writing "to an extent" or gave "a little encouragement to" them.

You definitely don't sound like a politician right now at all. You're just a guy who agreed with (to an extent) and gave a "little encouragement to" other people's ideas, but they weren't your ideas, so characterizing them as your opinion just because you agreed with them in writing is an unfair characterization on my part because you were thinking different things when you wrote them.

I'll stop assuming the things you post here have anything to do with what you think, and start asking instead, after 2 years of hindsight, what you were actually thinking at the time you posted to make sure you have the chance to revise any instances where what you said and agreed with (or gave some encouragement to) might differ from the feelings you had when you said and agreed with those things.

Apologies. Sounds perfectly reasonable now that you lay it out for me.
Yes, context does matter. I'm glad you finally figured that out. At the time in question rpbobcat and I were exchanging emails about Cromer. He was much more strident in his feelings that she was not doing a good job than I was back in TA Year One. However, in the last year or so, I've come around to believe that he was right in his assessment of her management of the AD's office. Please consult your alter ego and you will understand this position a little better! ;-)
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/5/2024 1:57 PM
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Yes, context does matter. I'm glad you finally figured that out. At the time in question rpbobcat and I were exchanging emails about Cromer. He was much more strident in his feelings that she was not doing a good job than I was back in TA Year One. However, in the last year or so, I've come around to believe that he was right in his assessment of her management of the AD's office. Please consult your alter ego and you will understand this position a little better! ;-)
I was being very sarcastic. Your stance here is nonsense and that you read what I wrote and thought to yourself "yes, that accurately reflects my thinking" just underscores that, my man.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/5/2024 2:11 PM
I think the amount of us who were rightfully upset in year one are ELATED to have been "wrong", but that doesn't absolve him - or anyone - from criticism especially when you're reacting to games as they happen. I love Tim. He's a great a coach. He's a great guy. I went to the Bobcat Caravan and I literally had to the end the conversation. We talked about assistant coaches, recruiting, making in-game adjustments... he'll talk to you all day if you want. Nicest dude. We can be happy he is here and think he is doing a damn good job and still want to fire him out of a cannon when he calls a delayed hand-off on third down.

Great job, coach. Hope you're still around next season. (Please get Brian on lines 1 and 2)
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CatFud
12/5/2024 8:59 PM
This was my exact take at the end of 2021...

MASH S08E06 Period of Adjustment: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80vzkd

I'm willing to live with it.
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