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Bcat2
12/4/2015 9:47 AM
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Your question makes sense, and I can only speculate, but I assume the coaches planned to use Patterson and Oullette in different situations: Patterson as a scat-back/outside threat. Oullette as a power back.

When Patterson went out, Oullette's role was re-evaluated and he carried the ball more, expanding his role beyond just power-back circumstances.

Again, that's all speculation. I could be way off.

As for Patterson's history of carrying the ball more often, I suspect that has as much to do with his leadership role as his pure talent.
The coaches need to play the best players period. They are loyal to the backs that they and we know, they leave yards on the field every time they let our best backs sit. All of the backs can play, but they need to let the best back get in rhythm. The best back in my opinion is not AJ or Daz. AJ is pretty darn good, but we have a back that could be the best in the conference. Daz has tremendous heart and could start on half the MAC teams, but he should not have been starting on this one.

Why recruit when you won't play the best players?
This is why coaches shouldn't read fan messageboards; other than LC does any of us know what we're talking about vis-a-vis coaching the team? I know for a fact I don't and I admit that freely.

Allen believes Ohio is crazy for not starting Maleek Irons I presume. Several posts earlier, BSHOT44 is just as adamant, but not that Ohio was stupid not for starting Irons always but for not starting AJ. Which one is right? Both I'm sure believe they're informed and truly believe they know what they're talking about. But one is wrong. By definition both can't be right.
I agree with the belief that Irons can be great...but I didn't see a large sample size from him to say he should start this year. It's almost total speculation on him...what we've seen has shown potential to be a great RB.

But I have seen a really large sample size from Ouellette and a larger sample size from Patterson....and it's not hard for me to draw the conclusion that Ouellette should've been getting the start and the bulk of the carries over Patterson. I think if Ohio would've used him more in the first five games of the MAC season like they did in the last three we might have seen different results.
Sorry, but, in the big losses even if Ouellette brought the scoring to the thirties it would not have gotten it done. Now Poling might have. But, since he was injured that would not fit your narrative. Bottom line. The sky is not falling. 8-4, streak at W3, scoreboard on NIU!
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12/4/2015 10:18 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Your question makes sense, and I can only speculate, but I assume the coaches planned to use Patterson and Oullette in different situations: Patterson as a scat-back/outside threat. Oullette as a power back.

When Patterson went out, Oullette's role was re-evaluated and he carried the ball more, expanding his role beyond just power-back circumstances.

Again, that's all speculation. I could be way off.

As for Patterson's history of carrying the ball more often, I suspect that has as much to do with his leadership role as his pure talent.
The coaches need to play the best players period. They are loyal to the backs that they and we know, they leave yards on the field every time they let our best backs sit. All of the backs can play, but they need to let the best back get in rhythm. The best back in my opinion is not AJ or Daz. AJ is pretty darn good, but we have a back that could be the best in the conference. Daz has tremendous heart and could start on half the MAC teams, but he should not have been starting on this one.

Why recruit when you won't play the best players?
This is why coaches shouldn't read fan messageboards; other than LC does any of us know what we're talking about vis-a-vis coaching the team? I know for a fact I don't and I admit that freely.

Allen believes Ohio is crazy for not starting Maleek Irons I presume. Several posts earlier, BSHOT44 is just as adamant, but not that Ohio was stupid not for starting Irons always but for not starting AJ. Which one is right? Both I'm sure believe they're informed and truly believe they know what they're talking about. But one is wrong. By definition both can't be right.
I agree with the belief that Irons can be great...but I didn't see a large sample size from him to say he should start this year. It's almost total speculation on him...what we've seen has shown potential to be a great RB.

But I have seen a really large sample size from Ouellette and a larger sample size from Patterson....and it's not hard for me to draw the conclusion that Ouellette should've been getting the start and the bulk of the carries over Patterson. I think if Ohio would've used him more in the first five games of the MAC season like they did in the last three we might have seen different results.
Sorry, but, in the big losses even if Ouellette brought the scoring to the thirties it would not have gotten it done. Now Poling might have. But, since he was injured that would not fit your narrative. Bottom line. The sky is not falling. 8-4, streak at W3, scoreboard on NIU!
I think if Ohio would've stared Ouellette vs. WMU and ran him like they did vs. Kent/Ball/NIU (your "streak at W3, scoreboard on NIU!") the result would've been different.

Same thing with UB

I'm not sure we could've scored enough vs. BG to win that game. We actually ran the ball well vs them, so yes, I agree, Ouellette probably wouldn't have been much of a factor there.

But WMU (at home) and vs. (a bad) UB team....I think had there been a effort to establish Ouellette and his running style from the outset, the results would've been different.

P.S. I'm soooo excited you actually acknowledged there were big losses.

P.S.S. I AM NOT SAYING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! How many times do I need to repeat myself for you to understand. I think the program is on a firm foundation.....are we just as good as we were four years ago? No. Are we a far cry from there...I don't think so. But getting blasted by 35, 34, & 38 still happened....this year. And they still have lopsided losses the last three years to top half MAC teams on their resume. That's a concern. And we won't know if, as a program, Ohio is past that until next season. Am I optimistic after this three-game stretch that they are....of course. But again, I'll believe it when I see it.

You can now return to your narrative that Frank Solich poops sunshine and that Ohio football is the bestest, greatest thing ever!!!! Yay!!!!
Last Edited: 12/4/2015 11:42:50 AM by bshot44
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L.C.
12/4/2015 12:54 PM
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I think if Ohio would've stared Ouellette vs. WMU and ran him like they did vs. Kent/Ball/NIU (your "streak at W3, scoreboard on NIU!") the result would've been different.

Same thing with UB

I'm not sure we could've scored enough vs. BG to win that game. We actually ran the ball well vs them, so yes, I agree, Ouellette probably wouldn't have been much of a factor there.

But WMU (at home) and vs. (a bad) UB team....I think had there been a effort to establish Ouellette and his running style from the outset, the results would've been different....

The BG game was where they made the adjustments to the offensive line, and, as you said, Ohio ran the ball well in that game. That game was a mostly a defensive problem, and to a much lesser degree, an offensive problem.

I don't think a change in running back would have made any difference against WMU or Buffalo, but I do think that if they had made those line adjustments against WMU and Buffalo, those games would have played out very differently. The results might or might not have been the same (you can't throw two pick-sixes in a game and win very often), but the whole tone of the game would have been different. For me it's very frustrating when the line isn't getting it done, and those were the two games that were very frustrating to me.

I've always believed that 90% of the effectiveness of the running game is attributable to the blocking, and 10% to the running back. Note that in the NFL the running back is one of the lower paid positions, and that the offensive linemen are paid more, on average:
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/average-nfl-salary-by-posi...
Last Edited: 12/4/2015 1:00:10 PM by L.C.
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bshot44
12/4/2015 1:20 PM
I agree.....O-Line play is crucial to being successful in running the football.

But -- and this is just my opinion -- even behind a healthy and strong O-line I've just never seen Daz as a better RB than Ouellette. I just haven't.

In four years, is there a game you can point to and say Daz owned that game?

I don't think so.

But there are a handful of games the last couple of years where you've looked and said "Wow, AJ was dominant as a RB tonight/today"

I just think when he's given 15+ carries, he's showed he's a better all-around option than Daz.

Doesn't mean Daz isn't a talented player...he has a lot of skills that Ohio should capitalize upon....but using him as a feature RB isn't one of those in my opinion.

And I think had Ohio been able to establish AJ vs. WMU and UB early (and yes, with a much better performance from the O-line)...setting a different tone where Vick wasn't forced to throw so much.....those were winnable games.

I just think when loading your proverbial gun...you want the most effective bullets. I think AJ is better bullet than Daz at RB and wish Ohio would've used him more at mid-season.
Last Edited: 12/4/2015 1:21:55 PM by bshot44
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L.C.
12/4/2015 2:12 PM
I would agree that Daz is not the kind of back to give the ball to 30 times in one game, while AJ, like Beau, and like McRae, can handle that kind of a load. On the other hand, I've heard it said that a running back only has so many carries in him before it takes a toll. Therefore I see the wisdom in splitting the carries. Against NIU there was no one else except Bo Hardy, so AJ needed 30+ carries. Because they were splitting the carries, AJ was fresh, and 30 carries was no problem, and he made NIU pay.

The thing about me is that I liked all the running backs this year. After they made the line adjustments, the running backs, all of them, really did well. I don't think that using one versus a different one would have mattered all that much.

I broke the games into two groups - 6 games where Ohio had under 200 yards rushing (SLU, Miami, Akron, WMU, Buffalo, Minnesota) and six where they were over 200 yards (Idaho, Marshall, BG, Kent, Ball St, NIU). In the six games where running was difficult, AJ was 35-144, or 4.1/carry, while Daz was 55-182, 3.3/carry. In the six games where Ohio ran for over 200 yards AJ was 102-488, 4.9/carry, while Daz was 47-315, 6.7 yards/carry. For Irons fans, he was 18-65 3.6/carry in the tough running games, and 15-133 8.9/carry in the easier running games. You can't really compare Iron's numbers, though, as they tended to be late in the game.

Should they have used AJ somewhat more in the games where running yards were hard to get, and used Daz/Irons more in games where there were big holes? Maybe. The big strength of AJ is that he always gets yards, even when there isn't much of a hole. The strength of Daz was that he was more apt to break off a bigger gain, when there was a hole.

Next year we'll see this same pairing, a power running, and a runner more apt to break some bigger gains, in AJ and Irons (or Brown), plus a speed back in White. I'm looking forward to the combo, especially if the line picks up where it left off.
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12/4/2015 4:47 PM
I think we're pretty much in agreement with the philosophy of running.

I'm just more of a believer that AJ could've been an All-MAC type of RB given the right workload.

I understand diversifying and having a change-of-pace guy like Daz or Papi....but Ohio didn't use Daz like that. They used him as an every-down back when he was healthy and I just didn't think he ran as well in that position as AJ.

I think Daz would've made a great 3rd down back or a change of pace guy to spell AJ on a drive every once in awhile.

It felt like a square peg, round hole situation at times. I just never got the feel that it worked with his as starting RB.

You are dead on about AJ....he does not lose yards.

I looked thru every touch he had this season.....1 carry for negative yards. ONE!

Amazing. Came vs. Marshall.

The lack of use of him in October is almost criminal.

vs. Akron...only 6 touches and just 1 after the 1st quarter [1st play of 2Q)
vs. Miami....only 3 touches
vs. WMU.....only 3 touches
vs. UB.....only 5 touches

Even if the O-Line was at the height of their struggles during that time....he was still averaging 4.5 ypc in those four games! How do you not at least try to run the ball with him....it's as if they were refusing to give him the ball.

Just makes zero sense to me.

One point I do disagree on is the more-carries-takes-a-toll on a RB. If this was the NFL and a 16-game season...then yes.

These are college kids...a 12-game season...they can handle the workload.

Derek Henry - 295 carries (24.58 cpg)
Leonard Fournette - 271 carries (22.58 cpg)
Ezekiel Elliot - 262 carries (21.83 cpg)
Christian McCaffrey - 287 carries (23.91 cpg)

These are arguably the four best RBs in the country and all got a serious workload in a 12 game season....but none averaged over 25 carries per game

Ouellette - 137 carries (11.4 cpg)

IF....

...he got a 20 carry workload...his numbers would've probably translated in the neighborhood of 1100 yards.....

at 23 carries....almost 1300 yards

I'd like to think if OU had a 1200 or 1300 yard rusher, it would've resulted in at least one more win vs. WMU or UB? Maybe?

I just think we have a capable RB, that if given the carries, could really be a star.
Last Edited: 12/4/2015 4:48:20 PM by bshot44
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L.C.
12/4/2015 5:19 PM
Remember that in several midseason games AJ was being used as a MLB, and that cut his carries significantly.
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12/4/2015 5:33 PM
Yeah...I've wondered if that is a reason for the drop in October touches.

Even tho he only played a handful of actual snaps at LB....if he was predominantly working with LBs in practice....I'm sure that translated to the games.

Such a shame....

I understand the reason for the shift to LB and I applaud his willingness....but I think ultimately, the offense paid the price of losing one of their most dangerous and effective weapons.

I know it's a woulda, coulda, shoulda way of looking at it....but I would just hate to see AJ's career go by and never actually say on a consistent basis "here's the rock, kid...show us what you got"

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12/4/2015 6:29 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I would agree that Daz is not the kind of back to give the ball to 30 times in one game, while AJ, like Beau, and like McRae, can handle that kind of a load. On the other hand, I've heard it said that a running back only has so many carries in him before it takes a toll. Therefore I see the wisdom in splitting the carries. Against NIU there was no one else except Bo Hardy, so AJ needed 30+ carries. Because they were splitting the carries, AJ was fresh, and 30 carries was no problem, and he made NIU pay.

The thing about me is that I liked all the running backs this year. After they made the line adjustments, the running backs, all of them, really did well. I don't think that using one versus a different one would have mattered all that much.

I broke the games into two groups - 6 games where Ohio had under 200 yards rushing (SLU, Miami, Akron, WMU, Buffalo, Minnesota) and six where they were over 200 yards (Idaho, Marshall, BG, Kent, Ball St, NIU). In the six games where running was difficult, AJ was 35-144, or 4.1/carry, while Daz was 55-182, 3.3/carry. In the six games where Ohio ran for over 200 yards AJ was 102-488, 4.9/carry, while Daz was 47-315, 6.7 yards/carry. For Irons fans, he was 18-65 3.6/carry in the tough running games, and 15-133 8.9/carry in the easier running games. You can't really compare Iron's numbers, though, as they tended to be late in the game.

Should they have used AJ somewhat more in the games where running yards were hard to get, and used Daz/Irons more in games where there were big holes? Maybe. The big strength of AJ is that he always gets yards, even when there isn't much of a hole. The strength of Daz was that he was more apt to break off a bigger gain, when there was a hole.

Next year we'll see this same pairing, a power running, and a runner more apt to break some bigger gains, in AJ and Irons (or Brown), plus a speed back in White. I'm looking forward to the combo, especially if the line picks up where it left off.
I just hope to see the whole group healthy. Team records might be set. Though the group sharing the load will keep any individual from stardom. Sometime the respect of your peers is what you can take pride in. No doubt Ouellette has the respect of NIU having 260+ yards vs them the past two games. Interesting how managing RBs works out. Last season a 220 lb. fr. (Franklin) from Western managed 1500+ yards, scored 25 TDs, was the league Offensive POY. This season a 5'7" 174 lb. RB (Bogan) comes off his red-shirt season and the coach (Fleck) decides to give the new little guy equal carries to the returning 220 lb. Offensive POY. The result was that together the pair produced good yards though Franklin dropped off the All MAC team and Bogan made third team. Franklin's TDs dropped from 25 to 5, Bogan produced 12. A third string back, Bellamy, was their best producer vs Ohio and had their highest ypc on the season. How many ways could Monroe/allen be unhappy if they were Western fans? Patterson/Bogan/White, clearly really good coaches believe they are important and worthy. I sure hope White comes back healthy.
Last Edited: 12/4/2015 7:28:07 PM by Bcat2
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12/5/2015 12:29 PM
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I would agree that Daz is not the kind of back to give the ball to 30 times in one game, while AJ, like Beau, and like McRae, can handle that kind of a load. On the other hand, I've heard it said that a running back only has so many carries in him before it takes a toll. Therefore I see the wisdom in splitting the carries. Against NIU there was no one else except Bo Hardy, so AJ needed 30+ carries. Because they were splitting the carries, AJ was fresh, and 30 carries was no problem, and he made NIU pay.

The thing about me is that I liked all the running backs this year. After they made the line adjustments, the running backs, all of them, really did well. I don't think that using one versus a different one would have mattered all that much.

I broke the games into two groups - 6 games where Ohio had under 200 yards rushing (SLU, Miami, Akron, WMU, Buffalo, Minnesota) and six where they were over 200 yards (Idaho, Marshall, BG, Kent, Ball St, NIU). In the six games where running was difficult, AJ was 35-144, or 4.1/carry, while Daz was 55-182, 3.3/carry. In the six games where Ohio ran for over 200 yards AJ was 102-488, 4.9/carry, while Daz was 47-315, 6.7 yards/carry. For Irons fans, he was 18-65 3.6/carry in the tough running games, and 15-133 8.9/carry in the easier running games. You can't really compare Iron's numbers, though, as they tended to be late in the game.

Should they have used AJ somewhat more in the games where running yards were hard to get, and used Daz/Irons more in games where there were big holes? Maybe. The big strength of AJ is that he always gets yards, even when there isn't much of a hole. The strength of Daz was that he was more apt to break off a bigger gain, when there was a hole.

Next year we'll see this same pairing, a power running, and a runner more apt to break some bigger gains, in AJ and Irons (or Brown), plus a speed back in White. I'm looking forward to the combo, especially if the line picks up where it left off.
I just hope to see the whole group healthy. Team records might be set. Though the group sharing the load will keep any individual from stardom. Sometime the respect of your peers is what you can take pride in. No doubt Ouellette has the respect of NIU having 260+ yards vs them the past two games. Interesting how managing RBs works out. Last season a 220 lb. fr. (Franklin) from Western managed 1500+ yards, scored 25 TDs, was the league Offensive POY. This season a 5'7" 174 lb. RB (Bogan) comes off his red-shirt season and the coach (Fleck) decides to give the new little guy equal carries to the returning 220 lb. Offensive POY. The result was that together the pair produced good yards though Franklin dropped off the All MAC team and Bogan made third team. Franklin's TDs dropped from 25 to 5, Bogan produced 12. A third string back, Bellamy, was their best producer vs Ohio and had their highest ypc on the season. How many ways could Monroe/allen be unhappy if they were Western fans? Patterson/Bogan/White, clearly really good coaches believe they are important and worthy. I sure hope White comes back healthy.
If Ohio was getting the same results as WMU with Patterson in the backfield we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If WMU lost by 35, 34 & 38 in 3 straight games and Bogan got the majority of the carries and Franklin got just 13 total carries in those three games...I'm guessing people would really question what the hell Fleck was doing.

Just like if BG got thumped in three straight and Babers decided to throw the ball with Knapke rather than Johnson....people would question Babers.

But when it comes to Ohio and Solich....how dare we question what is done...and deny these players their hard work....and not be real "fans"
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12/5/2015 4:07 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I would agree that Daz is not the kind of back to give the ball to 30 times in one game, while AJ, like Beau, and like McRae, can handle that kind of a load. On the other hand, I've heard it said that a running back only has so many carries in him before it takes a toll. Therefore I see the wisdom in splitting the carries. Against NIU there was no one else except Bo Hardy, so AJ needed 30+ carries. Because they were splitting the carries, AJ was fresh, and 30 carries was no problem, and he made NIU pay.

The thing about me is that I liked all the running backs this year. After they made the line adjustments, the running backs, all of them, really did well. I don't think that using one versus a different one would have mattered all that much.

I broke the games into two groups - 6 games where Ohio had under 200 yards rushing (SLU, Miami, Akron, WMU, Buffalo, Minnesota) and six where they were over 200 yards (Idaho, Marshall, BG, Kent, Ball St, NIU). In the six games where running was difficult, AJ was 35-144, or 4.1/carry, while Daz was 55-182, 3.3/carry. In the six games where Ohio ran for over 200 yards AJ was 102-488, 4.9/carry, while Daz was 47-315, 6.7 yards/carry. For Irons fans, he was 18-65 3.6/carry in the tough running games, and 15-133 8.9/carry in the easier running games. You can't really compare Iron's numbers, though, as they tended to be late in the game.

Should they have used AJ somewhat more in the games where running yards were hard to get, and used Daz/Irons more in games where there were big holes? Maybe. The big strength of AJ is that he always gets yards, even when there isn't much of a hole. The strength of Daz was that he was more apt to break off a bigger gain, when there was a hole.

Next year we'll see this same pairing, a power running, and a runner more apt to break some bigger gains, in AJ and Irons (or Brown), plus a speed back in White. I'm looking forward to the combo, especially if the line picks up where it left off.
I just hope to see the whole group healthy. Team records might be set. Though the group sharing the load will keep any individual from stardom. Sometime the respect of your peers is what you can take pride in. No doubt Ouellette has the respect of NIU having 260+ yards vs them the past two games. Interesting how managing RBs works out. Last season a 220 lb. fr. (Franklin) from Western managed 1500+ yards, scored 25 TDs, was the league Offensive POY. This season a 5'7" 174 lb. RB (Bogan) comes off his red-shirt season and the coach (Fleck) decides to give the new little guy equal carries to the returning 220 lb. Offensive POY. The result was that together the pair produced good yards though Franklin dropped off the All MAC team and Bogan made third team. Franklin's TDs dropped from 25 to 5, Bogan produced 12. A third string back, Bellamy, was their best producer vs Ohio and had their highest ypc on the season. How many ways could Monroe/allen be unhappy if they were Western fans? Patterson/Bogan/White, clearly really good coaches believe they are important and worthy. I sure hope White comes back healthy.
If Ohio was getting the same results as WMU with Patterson in the backfield we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If WMU lost by 35, 34 & 38 in 3 straight games and Bogan got the majority of the carries and Franklin got just 13 total carries in those three games...I'm guessing people would really question what the hell Fleck was doing.

Just like if BG got thumped in three straight and Babers decided to throw the ball with Knapke rather than Johnson....people would question Babers.

But when it comes to Ohio and Solich....how dare we question what is done...and deny these players their hard work....and not be real "fans"
Keep that death grip on your baggage. Sure there were three tough losses, but, since then there has been three wins with a signature win over NIU. The team finished on a positive note. How long has it been since one of your posts did the same?
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12/5/2015 5:03 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
I would agree that Daz is not the kind of back to give the ball to 30 times in one game, while AJ, like Beau, and like McRae, can handle that kind of a load. On the other hand, I've heard it said that a running back only has so many carries in him before it takes a toll. Therefore I see the wisdom in splitting the carries. Against NIU there was no one else except Bo Hardy, so AJ needed 30+ carries. Because they were splitting the carries, AJ was fresh, and 30 carries was no problem, and he made NIU pay.

The thing about me is that I liked all the running backs this year. After they made the line adjustments, the running backs, all of them, really did well. I don't think that using one versus a different one would have mattered all that much.

I broke the games into two groups - 6 games where Ohio had under 200 yards rushing (SLU, Miami, Akron, WMU, Buffalo, Minnesota) and six where they were over 200 yards (Idaho, Marshall, BG, Kent, Ball St, NIU). In the six games where running was difficult, AJ was 35-144, or 4.1/carry, while Daz was 55-182, 3.3/carry. In the six games where Ohio ran for over 200 yards AJ was 102-488, 4.9/carry, while Daz was 47-315, 6.7 yards/carry. For Irons fans, he was 18-65 3.6/carry in the tough running games, and 15-133 8.9/carry in the easier running games. You can't really compare Iron's numbers, though, as they tended to be late in the game.

Should they have used AJ somewhat more in the games where running yards were hard to get, and used Daz/Irons more in games where there were big holes? Maybe. The big strength of AJ is that he always gets yards, even when there isn't much of a hole. The strength of Daz was that he was more apt to break off a bigger gain, when there was a hole.

Next year we'll see this same pairing, a power running, and a runner more apt to break some bigger gains, in AJ and Irons (or Brown), plus a speed back in White. I'm looking forward to the combo, especially if the line picks up where it left off.
I just hope to see the whole group healthy. Team records might be set. Though the group sharing the load will keep any individual from stardom. Sometime the respect of your peers is what you can take pride in. No doubt Ouellette has the respect of NIU having 260+ yards vs them the past two games. Interesting how managing RBs works out. Last season a 220 lb. fr. (Franklin) from Western managed 1500+ yards, scored 25 TDs, was the league Offensive POY. This season a 5'7" 174 lb. RB (Bogan) comes off his red-shirt season and the coach (Fleck) decides to give the new little guy equal carries to the returning 220 lb. Offensive POY. The result was that together the pair produced good yards though Franklin dropped off the All MAC team and Bogan made third team. Franklin's TDs dropped from 25 to 5, Bogan produced 12. A third string back, Bellamy, was their best producer vs Ohio and had their highest ypc on the season. How many ways could Monroe/allen be unhappy if they were Western fans? Patterson/Bogan/White, clearly really good coaches believe they are important and worthy. I sure hope White comes back healthy.
If Ohio was getting the same results as WMU with Patterson in the backfield we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If WMU lost by 35, 34 & 38 in 3 straight games and Bogan got the majority of the carries and Franklin got just 13 total carries in those three games...I'm guessing people would really question what the hell Fleck was doing.

Just like if BG got thumped in three straight and Babers decided to throw the ball with Knapke rather than Johnson....people would question Babers.

But when it comes to Ohio and Solich....how dare we question what is done...and deny these players their hard work....and not be real "fans"
Keep that death grip on your baggage. Sure there were three tough losses, but, since then there has been three wins with a signature win over NIU. The team finished on a positive note. How long has it been since one of your posts did the same?
Keep getting drunk on that green kool-aid.

I've been more than positive on countless posts...the win streak is great....as well as that NIU win....a win I've called on more than one occasion the best MAC win in the Solich era.

How dare you deny me the success of a positive comment on Ohio football!
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