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Paul Graham
12/1/2015 10:29 AM
Good Washington Post article from today...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/why-students-foot-t...
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OUPride
12/1/2015 11:34 AM
This is a huge issue, and it's only a matter of time before it becomes a political issue. The Plain Dealer had a great series on it that looked at every D1 AD in the state. The Ohio MAC schools + UC subsidized their athletic departments to the tune of $168M last year. Viewing it in the context of annual tuition and total enrollment, roughly 10% of students' tuition is going to subsidize money losing athletic departments.
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L.C.
12/1/2015 12:05 PM
I never understood the idea of these fees, anyway. Why don't the Universities just charge one "price", and call it "tuition", and include everything in it? Isn't that the way it used to be done?
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GoCats105
12/1/2015 12:10 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I never understood the idea of these fees, anyway. Why don't the Universities just charge one "price", and call it "tuition", and include everything in it? Isn't that the way it used to be done?
In my understanding I think that's the way it is done at Ohio. At least from what I can remember looking at my quarterly bill from the University. There was a bulk amount for everything and then a little blurb about student fees and their purpose.
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rpbobcat
12/1/2015 12:13 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I never understood the idea of these fees, anyway. Why don't the Universities just charge one "price", and call it "tuition", and include everything in it? Isn't that the way it used to be done?
In my understanding I think that's the way it is done at Ohio. At least from what I can remember looking at my quarterly bill from the University. There was a bulk amount for everything and then a little blurb about student fees and their purpose.

That's how I remember it also.
Only additional fees were for labs for some science courses.
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BillyTheCat
12/1/2015 12:15 PM
It appears tution and fees are all lumped together, at least on the University website

https://www.ohio.edu/admissions/tuition /
Last Edited: 12/1/2015 12:15:26 PM by BillyTheCat
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Alan Swank
12/1/2015 12:39 PM
Here's a bit more detail:

https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bursar/ohioguarantee15-16.cfm
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Casper71
12/1/2015 1:14 PM
Doesn't make any difference what you call it, it is a ton of money to support a bunch of money losing programs. Fees started to be in vogue to pay for things like ITIE, Rec Centers, etc.and let students and parents know just what the cost was. I don't remember athletics ever being broken out separately but if it was, I am pretty sure you would have already heard the uproar.

Somewhere and sometime, Colleges need to get control of this spending...fat chance!
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bobcat695
12/1/2015 1:48 PM
https://www.ohio.edu/finance/bpa/upload/General-Fee-FY-20...

I know people are getting in an uproar over this, but if the fee is $660/semester, that works out to a little over $100/mo. for unlimited access to a student union, a state-of-the-art gym and recreation center, admission to every home athletic contest for no additional charge, enjoyment of the 110, campus recreation, and the student affairs department. I'd sign up for that deal immediately if it was offered a la cart to the general public.
Last Edited: 12/1/2015 1:49:53 PM by bobcat695
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Toast
12/1/2015 1:54 PM
Then attend a community college where you don't have varsity programs...this is how it works at most universities.

Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Doesn't make any difference what you call it, it is a ton of money to support a bunch of money losing programs. Fees started to be in vogue to pay for things like ITIE, Rec Centers, etc.and let students and parents know just what the cost was. I don't remember athletics ever being broken out separately but if it was, I am pretty sure you would have already heard the uproar.

Somewhere and sometime, Colleges need to get control of this spending...fat chance!
Last Edited: 12/1/2015 1:55:28 PM by Toast
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/1/2015 2:13 PM
If the standard for funding university programs is they must make money, there's not much to fund.
Last Edited: 12/1/2015 2:13:52 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Paul Graham
12/1/2015 2:16 PM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
..I'd sign up for that deal immediately if it was offered a la cart to the general public.
But you're not an 18 year old kid with no cash to pay that $100 per month for the next 4-5 years.
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GoCats105
12/1/2015 2:37 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
..I'd sign up for that deal immediately if it was offered a la cart to the general public.
But you're not an 18 year old kid with no cash to pay that $100 per month for the next 4-5 years.
If you're paying close to $20K in tuition, board and books, I highly doubt a $100/month student fee is really that big of a deal.

I was a student during this time and I have to tell you, getting to go to all the sporting events, getting into Ping, and all of the other "perks" included in that fee was fantastic.
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bobcat695
12/1/2015 2:53 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
..I'd sign up for that deal immediately if it was offered a la cart to the general public.
But you're not an 18 year old kid with no cash to pay that $100 per month for the next 4-5 years.
Most college kids are using a combination of interest-free loans and parental subsidies to fund that 4 year span. While $100/month sounds like a big number, it's roughly the cost of an average cell phone bill. Where is the outcry against Verizon?

I paid 100% of my own college costs. When I look back on what I got for the money, I am far more disgusted with paying for useless credit hours in classrooms like Morton 201 than I was for my front row seats at the Convo. The first two years of college are basically self study courses with life experiences wrapped around them.
Last Edited: 12/1/2015 2:54:09 PM by bobcat695
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Paul Graham
12/1/2015 3:25 PM
$1200-$2000 per year is a lot of money for some people. I don't think students should be compelled to fund projects that are not in service of the main objectives of the university.
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OUbobcat9092
12/1/2015 3:28 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
$1200-$2000 per year is a lot of money for some people. I don't think students should be compelled to fund projects that are not in service of the main objectives of the university.
Can we stop funding World Classics/Religion then...
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Paul Graham
12/1/2015 3:41 PM
OUbobcat9092 wrote:expand_more
$1200-$2000 per year is a lot of money for some people. I don't think students should be compelled to fund projects that are not in service of the main objectives of the university.
Can we stop funding World Classics/Religion then...
Ummm...history, religion and classical literature belong at a university.
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ou79
12/1/2015 3:44 PM
What about fees going to Ping and Baker or is that part of what you consider legit college?
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Paul Graham
12/1/2015 4:33 PM
ou79 wrote:expand_more
What about fees going to Ping and Baker or is that part of what you consider legit college?
What do your baker fees do exactly? Subsidize the cost of the building? IMO Baker feels more like a building to impress wealthy octogenarians with bad taste than a spot for students. I'll take the front room any day.
Last Edited: 12/1/2015 4:34:04 PM by Paul Graham
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BillyTheCat
12/1/2015 10:33 PM
^^^^this


Many a Grad student has complained about having to pay to support Ping. And that $1200 a year x 4 years is an extra $4,800 in loans to be paid over how many years? At that rate, what is the true cost of that fee to the user? It's far more than $100 a month.
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bobcat695
12/1/2015 11:03 PM
Ohio University is a residential university. A large part of the entire college education is the life outside the classroom. Without the student fees, many of the favorite extracurricular activities would not be available. Could you imagine the uproar if the university charged for the bike path that runs through campus? There is a reason that every single part of the campus experience is not listed as a line item charge.

If someone only wants the academic or classroom piece, then I would suggest they choose a community college or University of Phoenix.
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Paul Graham
12/2/2015 12:23 AM
Someone from France recently told me that her school, University of Leon, is almost entirely free but kinda old and falling apart. That said, her university has very strong professors and is almost entirely free.

Surely there must be some middle ground between $0 (and a crumbling campus) and $100,000 (with fancy buildings, workout centers and semi-pro sports teams for your enjoyment).
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RSBobcat
12/2/2015 1:11 AM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Someone from France recently told me that her school, University of Leon, is almost entirely free but kinda old and falling apart. That said, her university has very strong professors and is almost entirely free.

Surely there must be some middle ground between $0 (and a crumbling campus) and $100,000 (with fancy buildings, workout centers and semi-pro sports teams for your enjoyment).
Lyon. Gastronomique epicenter of the world (last couple hundred years anyway).

Why should we as a country settle for "middle ground"? What happened to national pride and aspirations of "We The People", "E Pluribus Unum"?

"Vive le France" - "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite" - http://lyon-university.org /
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TWT
12/2/2015 3:01 AM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Surely there must be some middle ground between $0 (and a crumbling campus) and $100,000 (with fancy buildings, workout centers and semi-pro sports teams for your enjoyment).
The evolution of administrative classes at a university. To justify their jobs there has to be continual new projects and initiatives. The newest talk I read was a plan to move the medical college out to the fair grounds and reconvert West Green space back into dorms. This can't be necessary.
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The Optimist
12/2/2015 4:27 AM
Toast wrote:expand_more
Then attend a community college where you don't have varsity programs...this is how it works at most universities.

Doesn't make any difference what you call it, it is a ton of money to support a bunch of money losing programs. Fees started to be in vogue to pay for things like ITIE, Rec Centers, etc.and let students and parents know just what the cost was. I don't remember athletics ever being broken out separately but if it was, I am pretty sure you would have already heard the uproar.

Somewhere and sometime, Colleges need to get control of this spending...fat chance!
Bingo.

No one is being forced to attend Ohio University, or ANY college for that matter.

If you don't think college is worth it, don't go. If you don't think college is worth it, DON'T take out debt to go.

Not that tough of a concept...
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