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Toast
12/7/2015 8:29 AM
Last year the Camellia Bowl had the lowest payout of all bowls the MAC are attending this year:

Last year's payout for each school: $100,000


Quick Lane bowl had the best:

Last year's payout for each school: $1.2 million

Even the Idaho bowl had a bigger payout:

Last year's payout for each school: $325,000


Looks like CMU made out.
Last Edited: 12/7/2015 8:32:57 AM by Toast
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ou79
12/7/2015 8:52 AM
Is the MAC subsidizing OUr program for attending this Bowl? Based upon past experience, $100k will not begin to cover OUr costs. If not, are we taking just 60 players, the coaching staff and no one else on a bus the day of the game and then getting back on the bus and coming back to Athens immediately after the game?
Last Edited: 12/7/2015 8:56:01 AM by ou79
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L.C.
12/7/2015 8:58 AM
I believe the MAC takes all the money from all the bowls, and then divides it between the bowl bound teams, hopefully to cover expenses.
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C Money
12/7/2015 9:16 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I believe the MAC takes all the money from all the bowls, and then divides it between the bowl bound teams, hopefully to cover expenses.
That is my understanding as well. The Camellia Bowl may also cover travel expenses (I believe that is what the Potato Bowl does, since the payout is so low).


Also, if anyone is wondering who Raycom Media is, here is a list of the TV stations they own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raycom_Media

Among local stations, there's one in Cincy, two in Cleveland, and two in Toledo.
Last Edited: 12/7/2015 9:20:08 AM by C Money
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 9:47 AM
It the end of the day, the university will spend 6 figures on this bowl. Call it a lost, call it a line item in the budget, call it shifting of funds, it will cost money. The question then becomes what is the return on the investment and we've had that debate every year that we've gone to a bowl. Just move on - we're going to a bowl if offered and it's going to cost the university money.
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Toast
12/7/2015 9:54 AM
No we don't have to move on...

Stop being a jackass.


Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
It the end of the day, the university will spend 6 figures on this bowl. Call it a lost, call it a line item in the budget, call it shifting of funds, it will cost money. The question then becomes what is the return on the investment and we've had that debate every year that we've gone to a bowl. Just move on - we're going to a bowl if offered and it's going to cost the university money.
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 10:14 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
I bet we travel very well for this one, maybe 10,000+ alone.
I hope you're right, but if we have 10k in that stadium I'll eat my own face.
Would Tickets for Kids count. Might be worth a big block of kids to see you eat your own face. Wish I had the means to back that up,
I would hope that if you had that much money you'd put it to something worthwhile like feeding the hungry as opposed to donating to a $28 million dollar game budget.
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cc-cat
12/7/2015 10:30 AM
Toast wrote:expand_more
Last year the Camellia Bowl had the lowest payout of all bowls the MAC are attending this year:

Last year's payout for each school: $100,000


Quick Lane bowl had the best:

Last year's payout for each school: $1.2 million

Even the Idaho bowl had a bigger payout:

Last year's payout for each school: $325,000


Looks like CMU made out.
All MAC teams will take home the same check. The only reason CMU and BG "make out" is their travel expenses are low and they will (because of the game's location) sell more tickets to help offset costs. Northern and Western get screwed because of the higher travel expenses and limited fan travel/ticket purchase.

Some bowls do provide travel stipend. Not sure if we will get stipend or not.

My issue remains that MAC teams that do not make a bowl also share equally in the bowl "take" - always felt those competing should get a disproportionate amount.

Buying tickets through the Ohio ticket office and donating the tickets to kids is the way to go (if you can not attend - e.g., son has a bball game that night her in NC), as it helps Ohio reach their ticket allotment - which schools are committed to fulfilling - so buying and donating helps Ohio offset finances - a good thing to do.
Last Edited: 12/7/2015 10:34:32 AM by cc-cat
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cc-cat
12/7/2015 10:59 AM
Payouts according to:

http://www.statisticbrain.com/college-bowl-game-payouts /

Quick Lane Bowl $1,200,000
GoDaddy Bowl $750,000
Poinsettia $612,500
Bahamas $450,000
Boca Raton $400,000
Potato Bowl $325,000
Camellia $100,000

Total $3,837,500

Divide by 12 $319,792

Additionally - interesting point

"Playoff Revenue Pool: Each of the Big 5 conferences will receive an estimated $50 million, whether or not it qualifies a team for the playoffs. An estimated $6 million bonus will be paid for each team a conference sends to the semifinals, $4 million for participating in one of the “Big 6 Bowls”, but no additional dollars for reaching the championship game where each school will receive an estimated $2 million for expenses. Each of the “Group of 5” conferences (American, CUSA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt), will receive an estimated $18 million each, Notre Dame will receive an estimated $3.75 million, and remaining independents will bag roughly $1.85 million each. Big 6 bowls that don’t host a semifinal game, will split additional revenue with the participating teams/conferences.

Any idea how the conference doles out the $18 million? Would be ridiculous for the bowl schools not to be completely reimbursed (but would be par for the course).

Assuming each school shares in the $18 million (to some decent level) - it is unfair to say we "lose" money by playing in the bowl. The overall payouts are a result of the bowl system. We are going to a bowl because we are involved in the bowl system. Can't have one (costs of a bowl) without the other (revenue from the bowl system).

A bit more info:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/conferences-protect-bowl-tea... --
Last Edited: 12/7/2015 11:32:06 AM by cc-cat
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perimeterpost
12/7/2015 11:19 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would hope that if you had that much money you'd put it to something worthwhile like feeding the hungry as opposed to donating to a $28 million dollar game budget.
you're that guy that watches Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest and wails about all the starving children in Africa, aren't you.
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OhioCatFan
12/7/2015 11:19 AM
Yes, the G5 schools are much better off financially under the current playoff system than the old BCS system. To some extent these extra funds are "hush money" to prevent restraint-of-trade law suits, but that's another issue that we discussed on this board two years ago.
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 12:14 PM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
I would hope that if you had that much money you'd put it to something worthwhile like feeding the hungry as opposed to donating to a $28 million dollar game budget.
you're that guy that watches Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest and wails about all the starving children in Africa, aren't you.
Nope - just SE Ohio.
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L.C.
12/7/2015 12:40 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would hope that if you had that much money you'd put it to something worthwhile like feeding the hungry as opposed to donating to a $28 million dollar game budget.
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Buying tickets through the Ohio ticket office and donating the tickets to kids is the way to go (if you can not attend - e.g., son has a bball game that night her in NC), as it helps Ohio reach their ticket allotment - which schools are committed to fulfilling - so buying and donating helps Ohio offset finances - a good thing to do.

As cc-cat points out, buying the tickets through Ohio rather than directly from the Bowl is not a contribution to the bowl itself. Instead it purchases some of Ohio's ticket allotment, which in turn will decrease Ohio's loss on the game.
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 12:55 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I would hope that if you had that much money you'd put it to something worthwhile like feeding the hungry as opposed to donating to a $28 million dollar game budget.
Buying tickets through the Ohio ticket office and donating the tickets to kids is the way to go (if you can not attend - e.g., son has a bball game that night her in NC), as it helps Ohio reach their ticket allotment - which schools are committed to fulfilling - so buying and donating helps Ohio offset finances - a good thing to do.

As cc-cat points out, buying the tickets through Ohio rather than directly from the Bowl is not a contribution to the bowl itself. Instead it purchases some of Ohio's ticket allotment, which in turn will decrease Ohio's loss on the game.
Right you are gentlemen and tying the tickets to kids or whatever during the Christmas season has become an effective way to get people to donate to the athletic budgets of schools especially those in these lower tier bowls. It's marketing that works.
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Bcat2
12/7/2015 1:42 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would hope that if you had that much money you'd put it to something worthwhile like feeding the hungry as opposed to donating to a $28 million dollar game budget.
Buying tickets through the Ohio ticket office and donating the tickets to kids is the way to go (if you can not attend - e.g., son has a bball game that night her in NC), as it helps Ohio reach their ticket allotment - which schools are committed to fulfilling - so buying and donating helps Ohio offset finances - a good thing to do.

As cc-cat points out, buying the tickets through Ohio rather than directly from the Bowl is not a contribution to the bowl itself. Instead it purchases some of Ohio's ticket allotment, which in turn will decrease Ohio's loss on the game.
Right you are gentlemen and tying the tickets to kids or whatever during the Christmas season has become an effective way to get people to donate to the athletic budgets of schools especially those in these lower tier bowls. It's marketing that works.
Ohio ticket office already offerring tickets for kids or soldiers. $20.00. Tis the season.
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ytownbobcat
12/7/2015 2:12 PM
These are made for TV events. ESPN wants to put forward something for holiday couch potatoes.
Same as our Tuesday and Wednesday games after MLB ends.

Not sure what all of this does for our image. If people are home and watching us play it must be good, right?

Lumping us with former FCS teams from the SunBelt seems to bring us down a notch. Just my opinion ,but that and playing in a small stadium in Montgomery seems kind of like a stretch of the term "Bowl Game".

Mediocrity.
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 2:23 PM
ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
These are made for TV events. ESPN wants to put forward something for holiday couch potatoes.
Same as our Tuesday and Wednesday games after MLB ends.

Not sure what all of this does for our image. If people are home and watching us play it must be good, right?

Lumping us with former FCS teams from the SunBelt seems to bring us down a notch. Just my opinion ,but that and playing in a small stadium in Montgomery seems kind of like a stretch of the term "Bowl Game".

Mediocrity.
Wasn't too many years ago when we were considered in the "small college" division with a national championship in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_college_football_season
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ytownbobcat
12/7/2015 2:28 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
These are made for TV events. ESPN wants to put forward something for holiday couch potatoes.
Same as our Tuesday and Wednesday games after MLB ends.

Not sure what all of this does for our image. If people are home and watching us play it must be good, right?

Lumping us with former FCS teams from the SunBelt seems to bring us down a notch. Just my opinion ,but that and playing in a small stadium in Montgomery seems kind of like a stretch of the term "Bowl Game".

Mediocrity.
Wasn't too many years ago when we were considered in the "small college" division with a national championship in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_college_football_season

56 years ago to be exact. Totally different era.
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OhioCatFan
12/7/2015 2:36 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Wasn't too many years ago when we were considered in the "small college" division with a national championship in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_college_football_season
Despite what wikipedia says, the official name of the division was the "college division" and the other division was called the "university division." OHIO was not in this classification very long, and it only applied to football for that brief period.
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 3:00 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Wasn't too many years ago when we were considered in the "small college" division with a national championship in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_college_football_season
Despite what wikipedia says, the official name of the division was the "college division" and the other division was called the "university division." OHIO was not in this classification very long, and it only applied to football for that brief period.
Thanks for confirming the truth in my post OCF.
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cc-cat
12/7/2015 3:23 PM
ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
These are made for TV events. ESPN wants to put forward something for holiday couch potatoes.
Same as our Tuesday and Wednesday games after MLB ends.

Not sure what all of this does for our image. If people are home and watching us play it must be good, right?

Lumping us with former FCS teams from the SunBelt seems to bring us down a notch. Just my opinion ,but that and playing in a small stadium in Montgomery seems kind of like a stretch of the term "Bowl Game".

Mediocrity.
And here I thought you would have changed your mind from page 1 to page 3 of the thread - lol.

Yea, eyeballs are good. I also think it makes a great deal of sense to play these earlier bowls in smaller stadiums. Gets away from having 22,000 in a 50,000 person stadium (e.g., Ford Field). Makes for better atmosphere and looks better on TV.

SunBelt is the MAC of the South. So not a notch down - we are peers. And App is a good team (per them being favored). Both would have rather played P5 - but we don't control that. Nice to see the game ranked as the 13th best match-up. Our game is usually near the bottom of that ranking.
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Bcat2
12/7/2015 3:31 PM
Tickets for Kids

Just purchased four. Online $20.00 + 2.00 fee. Call Ohio ticket office, save $2.00, no fee, 800-575-2287.
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Bobcatbob
12/7/2015 4:11 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I bet we travel very well for this one, maybe 10,000+ alone.
I hope you're right, but if we have 10k in that stadium I'll eat my own face.
I'm not eating any body parts but I am skeptical that we could get 10,000 into Peden for this game; in December, outside of season ticket package, last shopping Saturday before Christmas; unfamiliar opponent, .....
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Alan Swank
12/7/2015 4:16 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
I bet we travel very well for this one, maybe 10,000+ alone.
I hope you're right, but if we have 10k in that stadium I'll eat my own face.
I'm not eating any body parts but I am skeptical that we could get 10,000 into Peden for this game; in December, outside of season ticket package, last shopping Saturday before Christmas; unfamiliar opponent, .....
Billy was making a funny.
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