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Topic: For those that don't think Ohio desperately needs to find multiple new QBs
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The Situation
12/19/2015 10:59 PM
I won't watch a single game that JD Sprague starts next year
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C Money
12/19/2015 11:02 PM
Here's the list of FBS QBs transferring. Get a burner phone and commit some NCAA violations.

http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4688326-college-football...
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The Situation
12/19/2015 11:11 PM
Today's performance was literally worse than Phil Bates vs OSU
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mid70sbobcat
12/19/2015 11:22 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
46% was his completion percentage this year.
Ahh. So you're doing a Monroe and cherry picking stats. Let's ignore his prior passing. That's logical .. lol.
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allen
12/19/2015 11:32 PM
The truth is that Windham has not shown anything as of yet and he is in year four. If I had to grade him, he would be a C-. Everybody can't get A's in the real world, but in your world, every bobcat gets an A, nobody needs to improve. I am not the one that is out of this world, you should examine yourself. If jon Gruden were grading our QB's what would he say?
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mid70sbobcat
12/19/2015 11:51 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
The truth is that Windham has not shown anything as of yet and he is in year four. If I had to grade him, he would be a C-. Everybody can't get A's in the real world, but in your world, every bobcat gets an A, nobody needs to improve. I am not the one that is out of this world, you should examine yourself. If jon Gruden were grading our QB's what would he say?
Sadly, you discredit yourself in you rah-rah re: Irons. If you knew the facts you might have a different perspective.

FYI Windham has NOT been given any opportunity to show himself in a tight situation. So you can't write him off for no opportunity. And again I remind you Vick was in year 4 before he saw real PT.
Last Edited: 12/19/2015 11:51:50 PM by mid70sbobcat
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allen
12/20/2015 12:01 AM
Vick, who I like did not win the MAC and he beat out Windham every year, I want someone who is better than Vick. Does this make any sense? Don't answer, because i don't want you to lie.
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L.C.
12/20/2015 12:13 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
The truth is that Windham has not shown anything as of yet and he is in year four. ...

Actually, no, he's not in year 4. You may have forgotten that he had a year off from football, so this was his third year, and his first year back from his time off. Prior to his year off he was ahead of Sprague on the depth chart, but his time off set him back considerably.
Last Edited: 12/20/2015 12:15:41 AM by L.C.
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allen
12/20/2015 12:18 AM
He is not a top tier MAC QB, yet alone a starter, period. He is a back up. If he starts next year, we are going to have a long season.
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TWT
12/20/2015 1:42 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
The truth is that Windham has not shown anything as of yet and he is in year four. If I had to grade him, he would be a C-. Everybody can't get A's in the real world, but in your world, every bobcat gets an A, nobody needs to improve. I am not the one that is out of this world, you should examine yourself. If jon Gruden were grading our QB's what would he say?
Its unfortunate as Windham looks the part of a good athlete. He's could make an excellent FCS option QB. He's not enough of a gamer for the competition level Ohio plays.
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Monroe Slavin
12/20/2015 1:50 AM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
One thing you have to say is that Windham kept his composure on the fumbled 4th down snap. I thought it was game over on the fumble.
46% completion rate, and we had to burn two timeouts, he is not the guy.
Sorry but the first timeout was called since he was just sent into the game.

But you and Monroe can take over for Frank & Co. next year.

Yeah, the theory that Solich is a resplendent coach is so clearly made by our results over the last 40 games.

That Solich is a better coach than I may be--that's enough for you? That a fulltimer for 40 years may be better than me is sufficient to be happy with Solich--that's the way to analyze this?

GoodWillHunting, again: If an idea or critique is good, its good no matter who makes it.

Situation--That game in which Bates started against OSU has got to be far, far, far and away the most egregious, embarrasing example of a coach starting a qb who had no business playing qb in the history of football. Sprague had some bad moments tonight but to compare him to Bates is to use no brain cells. Go back and look at the film. (I was at that game. Anyone on this board could have done as well as Bates--that is almost literally true.)
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The Situation
12/20/2015 5:44 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Situation--That game in which Bates started against OSU has got to be far, far, far and away the most egregious, embarrasing example of a coach starting a qb who had no business playing qb in the history of football. Sprague had some bad moments tonight but to compare him to Bates is to use no brain cells. Go back and look at the film. (I was at that game. Anyone on this board could have done as well as Bates--that is almost literally true.)
I was at that game too. And I disagree. Sprague against all-world Appalachian State was worse.
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The Situation
12/20/2015 6:52 AM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
Situation--That game in which Bates started against OSU has got to be far, far, far and away the most egregious, embarrasing example of a coach starting a qb who had no business playing qb in the history of football. Sprague had some bad moments tonight but to compare him to Bates is to use no brain cells. Go back and look at the film. (I was at that game. Anyone on this board could have done as well as Bates--that is almost literally true.)
I was at that game too. And I disagree. Sprague against all-world Appalachian State was worse.
OSU went 12-1 including a vacated Sugar Bowl victory the year Phil Bates started against them.

OSU beat Ohio 43-7. But they also beat Marshall 45-7, Michigan 37-7, Eastern Michigan 73-20, and Purdue 49-0.

Appalachian State went 11-2 this year, with wins over OHIO. And that's it.

Yes I am allowed to call JD Spragues 50% passing 2 pick performance worse than Phil Bates 50% passing 2 pick performance.

Thank God we were lucky enough for Sprague to be limited to just 2 picks, despite his best efforts to throw more.

I can understand why you stand up for Sprague though Monroe. If allowed to stay in the game against Miami last year, OHIO would've finished with a losing season. We all know that's the real gift you've been waiting for.
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OU_Country
12/20/2015 7:28 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Here's the list of FBS QBs transferring. Get a burner phone and commit some NCAA violations.

http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4688326-college-football...

One would hope they'll thoroughly explore this list. It's not all on the player(s) unfortunately. My dad, who has only seen the Marshall game this year remarks about the predictable play calling with little imagination.

Going 8-4, and getting to this bowl game should change nOthing. The offensive size of the ball needs new blood, new coaching, and/or a change of philosophy.

If not for the 16 points the defense scored itself, and the TD it set up with the third TO, that wasn't a close game.
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The Situation
12/20/2015 7:42 AM
This coaching staff set every passing record at OHIO.

The lack of talent at the position kills us, not the play calling.

The blame I place on the staff is their inability to recruit the best available talent.

I think Vick underperformed due to injury over his career, but on the whole he was a capable QB for a MAC Championship run.

Unfortunately the staff didn't really have much of a backup plan.

Criticize their recruiting, not their coaching. I'll take this playbook year in and year out.
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The Optimist
12/20/2015 7:43 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Here's the list of FBS QBs transferring. Get a burner phone and commit some NCAA violations.

http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4688326-college-football...
SEC style

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/559434...
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Mark Lembright '85
12/20/2015 8:41 AM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
This coaching staff set every passing record at OHIO.

The lack of talent at the position kills us, not the play calling.

The blame I place on the staff is their inability to recruit the best available talent.

I think Vick underperformed due to injury over his career, but on the whole he was a capable QB for a MAC Championship run.

Unfortunately the staff didn't really have much of a backup plan.

Criticize their recruiting, not their coaching. I'll take this playbook year in and year out.
+1 Well said
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OU_Country
12/20/2015 9:21 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
This coaching staff set every passing record at OHIO.

The lack of talent at the position kills us, not the play calling.

The blame I place on the staff is their inability to recruit the best available talent.

I think Vick underperformed due to injury over his career, but on the whole he was a capable QB for a MAC Championship run.

Unfortunately the staff didn't really have much of a backup plan.

Criticize their recruiting, not their coaching. I'll take this playbook year in and year out.
+1 Well said
Not sure I agree on the play calling thought, but the rest I'm in agreement on.

And I'll be clear, let's say that Ohio won by the field goal instead of lost. I'd still feel this way because the defense would have won the name for Ohio for the most part.
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OhioCatFan
12/20/2015 10:08 AM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
. . . Criticize their recruiting, not their coaching. I'll take this playbook year in and year out.
+1

I've been hearing the charge of "predictable play calling" since I was in high school. I remember people making this charge against Bill Hess. Good teams can gain significant yards on plays that everyone in the stadium knows is coming on the next play. One seldom hears this charge after a win. We had a lot of predictable play calling against NIU, but we executed and gained yards down the field.
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PhiTau74
12/20/2015 10:20 AM
Sprague is a very good running QB, he is well below average throwing so net is he is a below average QB. He missed 5-6 throws at least. Why throw the one interception with 3 guys surrounding the receiver. Even if the receiver made the wrong cut he was blanketed by 3 guys.
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BillyTheCat
12/20/2015 11:30 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
. . . Criticize their recruiting, not their coaching. I'll take this playbook year in and year out.
+1

I've been hearing the charge of "predictable play calling" since I was in high school. I remember people making this charge against Bill Hess. Good teams can gain significant yards on plays that everyone in the stadium knows is coming on the next play. One seldom hears this charge after a win. We had a lot of predictable play calling against NIU, but we executed and gained yards down the field.
This will not happen often OCF, so enjoy it. +1
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BillyTheCat
12/20/2015 11:31 AM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
Sprague is a very good running QB, he is well below average throwing so net is he is a below average QB. He missed 5-6 throws at least. Why throw the one interception with 3 guys surrounding the receiver. Even if the receiver made the wrong cut he was blanketed by 3 guys.
Is Lamb a below average QB, he threw a pick 6 right to Poling who was dropped into the passing lane.

It happens, move on, get better.
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71 BOBCAT
12/20/2015 11:41 AM
One thing we should all agree on; We need better QB play period. Right now both our returning QB's, who saw action this year, are not the answer. I don't know if the others in the pipeline are any better until the spring game.
How does NIU always seem to reload at the QB position? If we have any hope to rise to be that elite team in this conference we need an upgrade at this position.
Say what you want of TT in his last year he did get us to the MACC and 2 Bowl wins during his 3 years.





GO BOBCATS
Last Edited: 12/20/2015 11:43:57 AM by 71 BOBCAT
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Monroe Slavin
12/20/2015 12:29 PM
Thanks for the softballs:

Situation: At OSU, Bates showed his qb ability: No arm at all (broken chicken wing), no decision making savvy (deer in headlights is charitable) and no running ability other than straight ahead (with no particular power). Can't recall if it was Boo or T3 who we brought in mid-game. But whoever it was, and thought it may have been against OSU's 3rd team, he was reasonably effective and we looked vaguely like a football team, not the (almost literally) scared, OVERWHELMED, DISORGANIZED bunch we were when Bates was in. It was appalling that our coaches actually decided to play him.

I believe that Bates barely played another down at qb for us that year. Contrast Sprague who can legitimately play, though perhaps not so well.
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Monroe Slavin
12/20/2015 12:32 PM
Thanks for softballs II:

This coaching staff has set every passing record at Ohio. Another unexamined, lacking context statement. It's been here 11 years during a passing era at a school with no particular prior record of passing. So, holding this record provides nothing meaningful by itself.

It has, however, the usual which, as usual, you fail to acknowl: no MACC 11 years, boring, tons of stunning losses to worst in MAC, etc, etc, etc.
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