Question for doubledribble, might this be Ohio achieving a major objective? Wait for it. How soon will it be before we see the term mediocre on this thread?

Yup. So easy to look at these numbers on the surface and say "Hey, everything is awesome"

I know that's not what some people are doing....but you know some of them are.

A quick dissection:

W -L Record Bowl Eligibility
Ohio 57-35 7
BG 50-42 5
Miami 24-62 1
Kent 35-50 1
Akron 24-61 1
Buffalo 30-54 1
CMU 45-44 4
WMU 39-48 4
EMU 15-69 0
Toledo 57-32 6
NIU 72-25 7
Ball 39-47 2

Notice the MAC East

#11 - Miami (has MAC title since Frank took over)
#10 - Akron (has MAC title since Frank took over)
#9 - Buffalo (has MAC title since Frank took over)
#8 - Kent

Four of the five worst teams in the MAC reside in the East....don't you think that inflated Ohio's win totals since 2009? And that's not even counting UMass!

And I'm guessing Toledo, WMU, CMU and NIU would have even more wins if they got to face those cupcakes every year since 2009.

And for arguments sake....since 2009....vs. those four bottom-feeders....Ohio is 20-8. (Throw in 2-0 vs. UMass & 3-0 vs. EMU - the worst team in the MAC)

That makes 25-8 vs. the 6 worst MAC teams......32-27 vs the rest of the league.

That's .542 winning %........just above average.

And yes...that's what this program has been since 2009.....just above average.

But let's not really dissect these numbers.

Let's just celebrate having the 3rd best MAC record since 2009!

I know you are supposed to win against the bad teams....and they are on the schedule whether we like it or not.....but let's be level-headed when looking at this.

We are NOT the 3rd best program in this league since 2009. We had 4 pretty good years in 2009, '10 (despite the meltdown vs. Kent with MAC East on line), '11 & '12 (despite second half collapse).

But since 2012...we've been average at best.

2015 showed some growth....I just hope they can parlay off this.

Ok....feel free to fire away and take about how negative I am. I'm just pointing out facts.

The above just could not be allowed to stand. Like anything else in a positive light.

I know raining on parades is what you do. Oh, I don't buy that you hate doing it.

The answer to your first post, mediocre. You waited for it and now you got it. MEDIOCRE

So the message is: If you're supportive of this team, you're the problem. If you post generally positive comments about this team, and leave negativity off the public message board, then you're accepting mediocrity, and YOU are hurting this team.

It's not Frank.
It's not the players.
It's YOU.

Stop being happy. Start complaining about this team, on BA.com, CONSTANTLY. Only then will this team finally succeed. I have found the enemy, and he is us.

Wait a minute. The allegation that people here (and in other threads) are always negative is total HORSE GARBAGE.

In this thread, as in most other instances, people here have posted FACTS.

The lead in this thread posted top level facts that appear to show OHIO FOOTBALL in good position over the last 7 or so years in the MAC.

Responses to the lead post examined those facts more closely. That examination, WHICH ONLY STATED FACTS, put the top-level look in a more fair context.


There is some characterization of the facts-as-more-closely-examined as mediocre. But that is a fair characterization--which stands unrefuted. (Crying because someone makes a reasonable characterization is not refutation.)

So, can we quit the dishonesty? In 2016 can we recognize facts and the truth as facts and the truth instead of slamming as negative those who present those FACTS and FAIRLY CHARACTERIZE THEM?!

Have you considered the possibility that WE GET IT? That we understand you're not satisfied with results. We understand we're not top-level in the MAC, never mind D1 at large.

71 posts a rather innocuous fact about our standing against the rest of the MAC. His data is (I presume) factual. Readers of that data are free to discern the information. No one in their right mind will read that and blindly accept that "yep, we're the third best team in the MAC and knocking on the door to be the champs."

The VAST MAJORITY of readers of that data will ingest it and then make a rational analysis: We're pretty good. We've got room to get better. We frustratingly too often lose to the top of the MAC. We're not competing for championships often enough. Our offense is suspect. Our injury frequency is deplorable.

However, the naysayers on here can't allow any free analysis to stand without an immediate post proclaiming the data is actually BS. In reality, you'll say, we suck. And any data to the contrary is just peaches and cream, pollyanna BS, and Rainbow farts.

You left at least one tier out: I believe we're on the third floor of a four-story MAC building. BG, Toledo and NIU are on the 4th floor. That's not the basement and it's not standing on the roof. Whether or not you agree, the real question is: are we ascending or descending?

That's a helluva question. Not sure. Feel like we're stuck in the elevator between 2nd & 3rd floors the last three seasons. Not sure which way we're headed. More optimistic we're moving towards that 4th floor after finish.....but that won't be decided until next October....how do we fare with BG and our 3 MAC west opponents? (assuming we don't draw EMU & Ball...and if we do 6-2 in the MAC should be floor for this program with that schedule)

Robert Fox--

I thought that the concept of 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth' is sacred in the USA.

Well, the first post in this thread is not the whole truth. Slamming those of us who want the whole truth--really?!!


And, I think that your characterization of us as a program on the upswing is not fair. When was the last time we were in the MACC game? The last 3-4 years have been filled with some thunderous MAC losses whereas I don't think the first 7 or so years of SOlich was that way.

Note, again: Predictions of robust coming 2016 and 2017 are predictions, which we've seen fail before. They are not facts.


Then, I disagree with your view that being near the top is okay. First, we're not near there. Second, after 11 years, not a single MAC means we are average or less. Why be in the MAC if a title is not the prime goal? [I realize that this paragraph is not about facts. It's about views. I do think that the average/unsatisfactory view is a much reasonable based on the trend, the past few years.]

Okay. I'll do it your way, the 'don't have my M.O. way.'

OHIO led the 2011 MACC game 20-0.

Therefore, everything about the program is perfect and we won that game.

Don't bother me with further or more specific or more relevant facts.

That 'whole truth' thing is not my thing. I have a different point of view and agenda.