Maybe your comments aren't the ones I'm referring to? Consider that?

If you happen to agree with me on certain points, great. If not, no sweat.

As far as calling for Frank's job....no, he shouldn't be fired. He's earned that.

But if he isn't able to produce a MACC next year and they stumble to another underachieving year with some disheartening blowout losses....I think Schaus needs to have a tough discussion with Frank about retirement.

They should not extend his contact if 2016 is like 2015. That would be a sign of accepting and embracing mediocrity.

And the reason I post of failures and let-downs is because there are a lot people on here who choose to blow past them and act like nothing is wrong with the program. Might not be you, but they're out there.

I'm a realist. Doesn't mean I'm not a season ticket holding diehard fan. Some people on here act like they'll get struck by lightning if they say anything negative or question Frank, his staff or players ability.

Bcat2 questions someone's ability to write balanced posts.

Now, that's your holiday humor.

OK, but I don't know why you don't let it go. Some people are more optimistic about the program. You can agree or disagree, but it's the hyperbole that gets the discussion off the rails. On both sides. If you post a message that a player sucks, you're sure to get an equal and opposite reaction.

If you post a discussion topic like "I'm concerned about our QB play. Can we expect improvement next year?" I guarantee you you'll get lively discussion that won't necessarily devolve into flame throwing.

If, on the other hand, you post "Our QB's suck. What are our coaches doing? They've had years to recruit QBs and we continue to get crap." Well then, you'll get equally provocative responses.

The first example is designed to prompt a discussion.
The second example is designed to start a fight.

I don't let it go?

Go back and reread the official NIU thread. There were more people throwing out STFUs than there were people celebrating the win.

I'm not starting fights. I try to back up a lot of my opinions with facts/stats.

When people want to tell me Daz Patterson was an offensive weapon when he obviously wasn't even one of our top four in terms of offensive production, I'm going to disagree with that.

I'm also not going to ignore the record in the MAC the last four years (especially against the top half) when I evaluate this program. We're average. And a win over NIU is nice, but it doesnt erase what's happened or suddenly make us MAC elite. But some people argue it does.

"SCOREBOARD"

"DON'T DENY THEM OF THEIR SUCCESS"

Ok. I won't deny the success...but please don't deny their failures...which many choose to.

If you feel these are arguments, ok. I'm just having spirited debates.

Sorry, my wife and dogs don't care too much to discuss Ohio football

How do you feel about a coaching staff that over an 11 year period has performed below average on offense? An 11 year span where offensive production has not been in the upper 50% of FBS? Its the doughnut hole of Frank's tenure. In the 20 years of following Ohio football I've seen two types of defense. A good defense that can make big plays or a great defense that can dominate the opposing team. The problem is and continues to be offense so I'm more than comfortable taking a chance with a different staff which could open things up on the offensive side. Defense is more a function of the quality of the Ohio H.S. player. The program is lucky to reside in a state known for a physical style of football.

Me, too: My g.f. doesn't enjoy discussing OHIO FOOTBALL that much.

But our dog is into it, so we discuss it a lot.

Maybe it's because I'm on my 2nd cup of java, but I thought that comment was pretty funny! Well played Monroe, well played!

It's obviously pretty clear, people feel winning the MACC trumps winning a bowl. I agree.

Ohio has racked up division titles in 2006, 2009 and 2011. Just failed to win the MACC in each year.

most of the bowl games are garbage...

Championships are what is important.

This is the problem with discussion on this board.

A lot of times when people want to debate/discuss the results of the football team and how they may be disappointing.....people always start throwing around off-the-field aspects of representing a university.

I don't think you'll find one person on this board that doesn't agree that having players that represent the university at a high level....having players graduate....and not piling up off-the-field issues is EXTREMELY important.

I think that goes without saying.

But that gets tossed around when people question the results. A lot of times, when it comes to me, I'm discussing the play on-the-field and how I think it can be better and I think the players and coaches can be better.....and I have someone tell me there are "other goals out there other than winning a championship"

I think you can separate the two....especially when it comes to Ohio.

Why?

Because Frank runs a pretty clean program. We've had a few hiccups with off-the-field instances, but for the most part the players stay out of trouble, graduate, etc. It's something we don't need to worry about....because it's in good hands.

So I wish we could separate the two and not bring in "off-the-field" goals when trying to discuss/debate the play on-the-field

What garbage.

Were talking about football aren't we. Yea thought so.