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Bcat2
12/30/2015 11:14 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
..... we cannot afford another 70 explosive play allowed season.
Well, I am still unsure about if 70 is a bunch or not, but, I found an article that promotes explosive plays as the most important factor in winning. So, it would follow that good offenses make them and good defenses don't allow them. I am not smart enough to know how either gets done, but, allen has a point about explosive plays. Click the link.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/colleg...
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allen
12/30/2015 11:28 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
..... we cannot afford another 70 explosive play allowed season.
Well, I am still unsure about if 70 is a bunch or not, but, I found an article that promotes explosive plays as the most important factor in winning. So, it would follow that good offenses make them and good defenses don't allow them. I am not smart enough to know how either gets done, but, allen has a point about explosive plays. Click the link.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/colleg...
That was a great article. There was one year where Solich and company stated they were going to focus on limiting explosive plays and win the turnover battle and the following year we were ranked in the top ten for the first half of that year. I hope they make another concerted effort. On offense, they will need to be a little more creative. I think we have the athletes, I don't know about the QB. The play calling and scheme is very vanilla, so adjustments are needed.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2015 11:40 AM
I know that there's no simple way to measure this but I still insist that we make a lot of qb's and offenses which are not so good look pretty good. Seem to have big days against us. Qb's who don't seem to have any outstanding skills get over on us.
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L.C.
12/30/2015 11:42 AM
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As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.

Again, thanks for posting this list. I do want to watch all of these to get a better feel for what can and does go wrong. If what I find is a case like that first play, where multiple people had a chance, but didn't make the play, I'll feel more comfortable with the Cover-4. If I find many cases where a single person was the only one that could make the play, I'll feel less comfortable with it.
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bshot44
12/30/2015 12:35 PM
A lot of these....and even games where I'm watching with my own two eyes....I see fundamental issues when it comes to tackling.

I don't care if they're in Cover 4 or Cover 2 or 3-3-5 or 4-4 or 3-4 or whatever...

Bottom line, we have a lot of guys in the secondary that don't fundamentally tackle well.

And this goes back a while.

Hell, flip on a Steelers game and watch Mike Mitchell tackle. It's awful. All he tries to do is take people's heads off with a bone-jarring hit. While sometimes that's effective....he misses a lot of open field tackles.

I'm baffled how DBs and Safeties struggle with basic wrapping and tackling.

Everything is just lowering the shoulder and trying to hit the guy really hard.

A lot of times just squaring a guy up and wrapping him around the legs will do the job...

I can't tell you how many times I watched Josh Kristoff do this and it just infuriated me.

I see a lot of it still today with OUr guys (and a lot of guys in the NFL too)

Everyone is enamored with the "big hit" instead of making the routine play.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2015 8:52 PM
44--You seem like a nice person. But your analysis is flawed. Please adhere to the orthodoxy of high-level technical analysis. Your analysis of what's actually happening on the field will lead to incorrect conclusions such as play Irons more and use screen passes and two back sets, etc, etc.
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allen
12/30/2015 8:57 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
A lot of these....and even games where I'm watching with my own two eyes....I see fundamental issues when it comes to tackling.

I don't care if they're in Cover 4 or Cover 2 or 3-3-5 or 4-4 or 3-4 or whatever...

Bottom line, we have a lot of guys in the secondary that don't fundamentally tackle well.

And this goes back a while.

Hell, flip on a Steelers game and watch Mike Mitchell tackle. It's awful. All he tries to do is take people's heads off with a bone-jarring hit. While sometimes that's effective....he misses a lot of open field tackles.

I'm baffled how DBs and Safeties struggle with basic wrapping and tackling.

Everything is just lowering the shoulder and trying to hit the guy really hard.

A lot of times just squaring a guy up and wrapping him around the legs will do the job...

I can't tell you how many times I watched Josh Kristoff do this and it just infuriated me.

I see a lot of it still today with OUr guys (and a lot of guys in the NFL too)

Everyone is enamored with the "big hit" instead of making the routine play.
This is so true, the tackling is also more crisp in the beginning of the season. Maybe some people know they have no threat of being benched after winning or inheriting their position. I suggested the first team tackle the scout team in practice one day a week.
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Toast
1/7/2016 1:32 PM
agreed

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There is only 1 position that MUST be upgraded: QB, and the current 2 returning players that received some PT this year are not the answer we need. PERIOD.





GO BOBCATS
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Bcat2
1/7/2016 3:40 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
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bshot44
1/7/2016 5:37 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
The 73 I saw in Ohio's own game notes.....so that's where I attribute that.

Here is a site I found that goes into a little more detail.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense...

According to this...Ohio had only 58 plays of 20+ yards

That's middle of the pack in the MAC....and well behind a team like BG (87). Ohio was 2nd worst among MAC bowl teams...only ahead of Akron (who had a abysmal offense)

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/875/team/offense/spli...

According to this site...Ohio allowed 61 20+ yard plays......71st nationally

27 of those plays were runs...which ranks Ohio at 109th. They were 120th allowing 16 30+ yd runs. 119th allowing 10 40+ yd runs...

In the MAC...they were 10th out 13.....and only better than WMU when it comes to MAC bowl teams.

11th in the MAC when it comes to 20+ yd runs....12th in 30+ yd runs....12th in 40+ yd runs....10th in 50+yd runs.

You can dig deep into stats on this site....

Again, I'm not sure who runs this or how valid it is.....but if these are true, Ohio's run defense was pretty susceptible to big plays. The pass defense wasn't as bad....but overall this defense was burnt a lot and is towards the bottom of the league.
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allen
1/7/2016 7:09 PM
I went through the play by plays and added them up. BGSU's numbers are irrelevant because they almost doubled our output. Our tackling after the fourth game was terrible. Our safeties took horrible angles all year long. There was one play in the Minnesota game where a safety turned his back and ran downfield chasing a ball carrier. these things can be addressed, but the coaches have to call a spade a spade. The arm tackling has to stop, our defense has talent, but the attention to detail and the ability to adjust is lacking. I know I will be called unpatriotic for saying this, but this is true.
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Bcat2
1/7/2016 7:28 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
The 73 I saw in Ohio's own game notes.....so that's where I attribute that.

Here is a site I found that goes into a little more detail.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense...

According to this...Ohio had only 58 plays of 20+ yards

That's middle of the pack in the MAC....and well behind a team like BG (87). Ohio was 2nd worst among MAC bowl teams...only ahead of Akron (who had a abysmal offense)

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/875/team/offense/spli...

According to this site...Ohio allowed 61 20+ yard plays......71st nationally

27 of those plays were runs...which ranks Ohio at 109th. They were 120th allowing 16 30+ yd runs. 119th allowing 10 40+ yd runs...

In the MAC...they were 10th out 13.....and only better than WMU when it comes to MAC bowl teams.

11th in the MAC when it comes to 20+ yd runs....12th in 30+ yd runs....12th in 40+ yd runs....10th in 50+yd runs.

You can dig deep into stats on this site....

Again, I'm not sure who runs this or how valid it is.....but if these are true, Ohio's run defense was pretty susceptible to big plays. The pass defense wasn't as bad....but overall this defense was burnt a lot and is towards the bottom of the league.
And the defense of third down led the league. That does not mean the D was great. This does not mean the D was bottom of the league. Good people are working on this and hopefully the young men will be stouter than last year.
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allen
1/7/2016 7:36 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
The 73 I saw in Ohio's own game notes.....so that's where I attribute that.

Here is a site I found that goes into a little more detail.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense...

According to this...Ohio had only 58 plays of 20+ yards

That's middle of the pack in the MAC....and well behind a team like BG (87). Ohio was 2nd worst among MAC bowl teams...only ahead of Akron (who had a abysmal offense)

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/875/team/offense/spli...

According to this site...Ohio allowed 61 20+ yard plays......71st nationally

27 of those plays were runs...which ranks Ohio at 109th. They were 120th allowing 16 30+ yd runs. 119th allowing 10 40+ yd runs...

In the MAC...they were 10th out 13.....and only better than WMU when it comes to MAC bowl teams.

11th in the MAC when it comes to 20+ yd runs....12th in 30+ yd runs....12th in 40+ yd runs....10th in 50+yd runs.

You can dig deep into stats on this site....

Again, I'm not sure who runs this or how valid it is.....but if these are true, Ohio's run defense was pretty susceptible to big plays. The pass defense wasn't as bad....but overall this defense was burnt a lot and is towards the bottom of the league.
And the defense of third down led the league. That does not mean the D was great. This does not mean the D was bottom of the league. Good people are working on this and hopefully the young men will be stouter than last year.

I hope so, the arm talking has been going on for a while. Poling is a great open field tackler, the other guys need work or they need some time on the sidelines to reflect on what there responsibilities are. We have talent so I am somewhat hopeful.
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bshot44
1/8/2016 1:23 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
The 73 I saw in Ohio's own game notes.....so that's where I attribute that.

Here is a site I found that goes into a little more detail.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense...

According to this...Ohio had only 58 plays of 20+ yards

That's middle of the pack in the MAC....and well behind a team like BG (87). Ohio was 2nd worst among MAC bowl teams...only ahead of Akron (who had a abysmal offense)

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/875/team/offense/spli...

According to this site...Ohio allowed 61 20+ yard plays......71st nationally

27 of those plays were runs...which ranks Ohio at 109th. They were 120th allowing 16 30+ yd runs. 119th allowing 10 40+ yd runs...

In the MAC...they were 10th out 13.....and only better than WMU when it comes to MAC bowl teams.

11th in the MAC when it comes to 20+ yd runs....12th in 30+ yd runs....12th in 40+ yd runs....10th in 50+yd runs.

You can dig deep into stats on this site....

Again, I'm not sure who runs this or how valid it is.....but if these are true, Ohio's run defense was pretty susceptible to big plays. The pass defense wasn't as bad....but overall this defense was burnt a lot and is towards the bottom of the league.
And the defense of third down led the league. That does not mean the D was great. This does not mean the D was bottom of the league. Good people are working on this and hopefully the young men will be stouter than last year.
And they were 100th nationally in red zone defense [11th in MAC]. 111th in red zone offense [11th in MAC].

121st in penalty yards per game [11th in MAC].

101st in rushing yards allowed per play [10th in MAC].

This team had its issues. Being undisciplined and unable to stop the run are both discouraging. As is failing to score red zone TDs or stopping them.
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Bcat2
1/8/2016 7:14 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
The 73 I saw in Ohio's own game notes.....so that's where I attribute that.

Here is a site I found that goes into a little more detail.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense...

According to this...Ohio had only 58 plays of 20+ yards

That's middle of the pack in the MAC....and well behind a team like BG (87). Ohio was 2nd worst among MAC bowl teams...only ahead of Akron (who had a abysmal offense)

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/875/team/offense/spli...

According to this site...Ohio allowed 61 20+ yard plays......71st nationally

27 of those plays were runs...which ranks Ohio at 109th. They were 120th allowing 16 30+ yd runs. 119th allowing 10 40+ yd runs...

In the MAC...they were 10th out 13.....and only better than WMU when it comes to MAC bowl teams.

11th in the MAC when it comes to 20+ yd runs....12th in 30+ yd runs....12th in 40+ yd runs....10th in 50+yd runs.

You can dig deep into stats on this site....

Again, I'm not sure who runs this or how valid it is.....but if these are true, Ohio's run defense was pretty susceptible to big plays. The pass defense wasn't as bad....but overall this defense was burnt a lot and is towards the bottom of the league.
And the defense of third down led the league. That does not mean the D was great. This does not mean the D was bottom of the league. Good people are working on this and hopefully the young men will be stouter than last year.
And they were 100th nationally in red zone defense [11th in MAC]. 111th in red zone offense [11th in MAC].

121st in penalty yards per game [11th in MAC].

101st in rushing yards allowed per play [10th in MAC].

This team had its issues. Being undisciplined and unable to stop the run are both discouraging. As is failing to score red zone TDs or stopping them.
And any wheelbarrow of positive must be buried with a truck load of negative. Nothing positive will be allowed to stand. Nice work. Not really.

Bottom Line Defense

Ohio Scoring Defense MAC/FBS 4/46
Ohio Total Defense MAC/FBS 5/49

Shawn Sellers

I did this a little differently...

#Average Rank for Decade (Decade Overall Record) [Decade Record against winning teams]

#58 Northern Illinois (87-48) [18-29]
#66 Toledo (70-54) [13-32]
#72 Ohio (76-54) {15-32}
#72 Central Michigan (71-59) [12-38]
#73 Bowling Green (68-61) [11-39]
#73 Temple (39-34) [3-24]
#79 Ball State (63-62) [9-36]
#79 Western Michigan (61-64) [4-38]
#95 Kent State (47-74) [7-39]
#95 Buffalo (47-75) [3-45]
#100 Akron (38-83) [1-46]
#103 Miami (34-89) [5-46]
#113 Eastern Michigan (23-97) [2-47]
#116 Massachusetts (7-29) [0-15]

L.C.

Ohio's defensive average, rank in the MAC, and National rank, by year. I found totally different numbers in several places. These numbers for national rank are from the ESPN site:
http://tinyurl.com/gkr8e6a .
Here's the NCAA site, which tends to have Ohio listed higher, for whatever reason, but which only goes down to 50, and only goes back a few years, plus the numbers don't always match the other sites:
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1043

2015 25.3 4th 51st
2014 24.8 2d 50th
2013 27.5 6th 72d
2012 24.8 4th 46th
2011 22.1 2d 32d
2010 23.8 5th 51st
2009 21.3 2d 28th
2008 27.2 6th 71st
2007 29.9 8th 82d
2006 18.1 1st 23rd
2005 30.5 10th 91st
2004 24.6 5th 52d
2003 31.0 ... 88th
2002 31.2 ... 88th
2001 29.4 ... 83rd
2000 18.9 ... 21st

Bcat2

I submit, you are all working way too hard at this. 2014 vs 2015 is all I need. Can we keep it simple please? Wins 8 vs 6, up 33%. Quality wins vs; 10-3 bowl winning Marshall, 8-5 bowl winning Akron & 8-5 MAC West Champion & bowl team NIU.

Statistics 2014 vs 2015.
Scoring. 2014 Ohio/OPP 246/298, 2015 Ohio/OPP 358/329.
Points Per Game. 2014 Ohio/OPP 20.5/24.8, 2015 Ohio/OPP 27.5/25.3
First Downs. 2014 Ohio/OPP 233/246, 2015 Ohio/OPP 285/248
Rushing Yards. 2014 Ohio/OPP 1969/1595, 2015 Ohio/OPP 2352/2147
Passing Yards. 2014 Ohio/OPP 2474/3137, 2015 Ohio/OPP 3026/2723
Total Offense. 2014 Ohio/OPP 4443/4732, 2015 Ohio/OPP 5378/4910
Fumbles-Lost. 2014 Ohio Fumbles/Lost 24/14, 2015 Ohio Fumbles/Lost 9/4
Time of Possession. 2014 Ohio/OPP 29:48/30:12, 2015 Ohio/OPP 32:15/27:44
First Half Scoring. 2014 Ohio/OPP 115/169. 2015 Ohio/OPP 214/139
Average Attendance. Ohio 2014/2015 20515/21323

2014 Ohio better than opponent: Rushing Yards

2015 Ohio better than opponent: Scoring, Points Per Game, First Downs, Rushing Yards, Passing Yards,Total Offense, Time of Possession, First Half Scoring.

MAC leading attendance 21,323 per home game, up 800 per game.

I know BG, WMU & Buffalo, but, to use those games to define this season is to be blind to a great turn around that was 2015.
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1/8/2016 10:47 AM
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1/8/2016 10:49 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Umm....we are not good at tackling. Our fundamental tackling in the secondary has been poor for years. (i.e. Omar Leftwich, Devin Bass, Josh Kristoff, etc.)

Here are a few of the explosive plays vs. Ohio this year....enjoy:

Toran Davis....the whiff: http://es.pn/1Zi4PCy

Davis takes a really bad angle: http://es.pn/1RwFUcS

Ian Wells....ummm....nice tackle?: http://es.pn/1QH4uaM
...

Thanks for posting. As I have time, I'll watch all of them, but for now I just got through the first three. On the first one, I'm surprised you picked out Toran Davis. Yes, he failed to make the tackle, but so did a lot of others. Laseak lost contain on the QB, so that was what started the problem. Then Daugherty had his back to the play, and didn't realize it was a run until the QB had broken contain, turned the corner, and was already 5 yards upfield. Davis had a shot at him, and could have tackled him for a 12-14 yard gain, but Davis was stationary, and the QB had a full set of speed, and a man he used as a screen, so it would have been a tough tackle for Davis. I give more blame to Laseak and Daugherty on that play than to Davis.

The next one, the link seems to be wrong. It takes me to a bad interception by Sprague, not a play by davis.

Then comes the non-tackle by Wells. I can't argue that he didn't get the job done.
Not sure what happened on that second link...for that play go here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/195/ohio-bo...

Then scroll down to "APPALACHIAN ST. SCORES TWICE IN 42 SECONDS"

As far as the first play...sorry...gotta disagree on Davis. He was in pursuit of the play...overran it and in the process ran into Daugherty. You are right about Laseak losing contain...and Daugherty did have his back to the play....but when it came down to stopping Lamb for about a 10yd gain...Davis and Daugherty did a poor job executing an open field tackle. If Davis wasn't a multi-time offender, I'd be more likely to give him a pass...but you see his name on this list multiple times.

And just to clarify...my descriptions might not be totally accurate in a lot of people's eyes...but that was not the reason for posting these clips. No matter who is to blame on these plays, it was to point out the amount of explosive plays this defense allowed this year. These are all gains of 20+ vs Ohio defense.
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
The 73 I saw in Ohio's own game notes.....so that's where I attribute that.

Here is a site I found that goes into a little more detail.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense...

According to this...Ohio had only 58 plays of 20+ yards

That's middle of the pack in the MAC....and well behind a team like BG (87). Ohio was 2nd worst among MAC bowl teams...only ahead of Akron (who had a abysmal offense)

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/875/team/offense/spli...

According to this site...Ohio allowed 61 20+ yard plays......71st nationally

27 of those plays were runs...which ranks Ohio at 109th. They were 120th allowing 16 30+ yd runs. 119th allowing 10 40+ yd runs...

In the MAC...they were 10th out 13.....and only better than WMU when it comes to MAC bowl teams.

11th in the MAC when it comes to 20+ yd runs....12th in 30+ yd runs....12th in 40+ yd runs....10th in 50+yd runs.

You can dig deep into stats on this site....

Again, I'm not sure who runs this or how valid it is.....but if these are true, Ohio's run defense was pretty susceptible to big plays. The pass defense wasn't as bad....but overall this defense was burnt a lot and is towards the bottom of the league.
And the defense of third down led the league. That does not mean the D was great. This does not mean the D was bottom of the league. Good people are working on this and hopefully the young men will be stouter than last year.
And they were 100th nationally in red zone defense [11th in MAC]. 111th in red zone offense [11th in MAC].

121st in penalty yards per game [11th in MAC].

101st in rushing yards allowed per play [10th in MAC].

This team had its issues. Being undisciplined and unable to stop the run are both discouraging. As is failing to score red zone TDs or stopping them.
And any wheelbarrow of positive must be buried with a truck load of negative. Nothing positive will be allowed to stand. Nice work. Not really.

Bottom Line Defense

Ohio Scoring Defense MAC/FBS 4/46
Ohio Total Defense MAC/FBS 5/49

Shawn Sellers

I did this a little differently...

#Average Rank for Decade (Decade Overall Record) [Decade Record against winning teams]

#58 Northern Illinois (87-48) [18-29]
#66 Toledo (70-54) [13-32]
#72 Ohio (76-54) {15-32}
#72 Central Michigan (71-59) [12-38]
#73 Bowling Green (68-61) [11-39]
#73 Temple (39-34) [3-24]
#79 Ball State (63-62) [9-36]
#79 Western Michigan (61-64) [4-38]
#95 Kent State (47-74) [7-39]
#95 Buffalo (47-75) [3-45]
#100 Akron (38-83) [1-46]
#103 Miami (34-89) [5-46]
#113 Eastern Michigan (23-97) [2-47]
#116 Massachusetts (7-29) [0-15]

L.C.

Ohio's defensive average, rank in the MAC, and National rank, by year. I found totally different numbers in several places. These numbers for national rank are from the ESPN site:
http://tinyurl.com/gkr8e6a .
Here's the NCAA site, which tends to have Ohio listed higher, for whatever reason, but which only goes down to 50, and only goes back a few years, plus the numbers don't always match the other sites:
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1043

2015 25.3 4th 51st
2014 24.8 2d 50th
2013 27.5 6th 72d
2012 24.8 4th 46th
2011 22.1 2d 32d
2010 23.8 5th 51st
2009 21.3 2d 28th
2008 27.2 6th 71st
2007 29.9 8th 82d
2006 18.1 1st 23rd
2005 30.5 10th 91st
2004 24.6 5th 52d
2003 31.0 ... 88th
2002 31.2 ... 88th
2001 29.4 ... 83rd
2000 18.9 ... 21st

Bcat2

I submit, you are all working way too hard at this. 2014 vs 2015 is all I need. Can we keep it simple please? Wins 8 vs 6, up 33%. Quality wins vs; 10-3 bowl winning Marshall, 8-5 bowl winning Akron & 8-5 MAC West Champion & bowl team NIU.

Statistics 2014 vs 2015.
Scoring. 2014 Ohio/OPP 246/298, 2015 Ohio/OPP 358/329.
Points Per Game. 2014 Ohio/OPP 20.5/24.8, 2015 Ohio/OPP 27.5/25.3
First Downs. 2014 Ohio/OPP 233/246, 2015 Ohio/OPP 285/248
Rushing Yards. 2014 Ohio/OPP 1969/1595, 2015 Ohio/OPP 2352/2147
Passing Yards. 2014 Ohio/OPP 2474/3137, 2015 Ohio/OPP 3026/2723
Total Offense. 2014 Ohio/OPP 4443/4732, 2015 Ohio/OPP 5378/4910
Fumbles-Lost. 2014 Ohio Fumbles/Lost 24/14, 2015 Ohio Fumbles/Lost 9/4
Time of Possession. 2014 Ohio/OPP 29:48/30:12, 2015 Ohio/OPP 32:15/27:44
First Half Scoring. 2014 Ohio/OPP 115/169. 2015 Ohio/OPP 214/139
Average Attendance. Ohio 2014/2015 20515/21323

2014 Ohio better than opponent: Rushing Yards

2015 Ohio better than opponent: Scoring, Points Per Game, First Downs, Rushing Yards, Passing Yards,Total Offense, Time of Possession, First Half Scoring.

MAC leading attendance 21,323 per home game, up 800 per game.

I know BG, WMU & Buffalo, but, to use those games to define this season is to be blind to a great turn around that was 2015.
You are truly the worst. The. Worst.

You act like Ohio went from 0-12 to Fiesta Bowl Champs!!!

bcat2 wrote:expand_more
....is to be blind to a great turn around that was 2015
We went from 6-6 to 8-5. We one 1 more MAC game than the year before. It was a move in a positive direction but it wasn't some profound turnaround.

bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Can we keep it simple please?
You are the one making it difficult. You questioned the explosive plays!

bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot? For some reason allen would not tell us how many BG allowed. Sure would help if we knew if 70 was a lot, as it sounds, or less than BG the MAC Champs allowed.
bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Still trying to get a handle on this explosive play deal. They will occur, Ohio, per you made 73, Ohio per allen allowed 70. What would be a lot?
I simply provided the answer. I'm sorry the answer wasn't chok full of positivity for you. This thread had been pretty dead for a while and you brought it back to life with your explosive play inquiry. And when the answers came back in a way you can't bear to look at it.....

You are the one that went to great lengths to find Ohio was #1 on 3rd down defense and labeled it as a....

bcat2 wrote:expand_more
....wheelbarrow of positive
The truckload of negativity is a truckload of facts.

#71. 61 plays allowed 20+ yards
#109. 27 runs over 20+ yards
#120. 16 runs over 30+ yards
#119. 10 runs over 40+ yards
#100. Red zone defense
#111. Red zone offense
#121. Penalty yardage
#101. Rushing yards allowed per play

Let me be clear. I don't enjoy pointing out the negative....as much as you might believe I do. I am just pointing out facts. Indisputable facts. Facts you continue to ignore...blow past...belittle....try to cover up....etc. I just can't be Sally Sunshine all the time about this program. You are entitled that....and that is fine. I just disagree.

These facts along with my own two eyes have led me to the opinion that Ohio had problems this season. They had issues with stopping big plays and in the red zone. Some of these issues have been around for more than a year.

Does that mean 2015 wasn't better than 2014?

No.

Let me repeat that.

No. N. O.

NO!

But keep ignoring the negative facts and focus on that #1 in 3rd down defense.
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1/8/2016 10:52 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Here's the NCAA site, which tends to have Ohio listed higher, for whatever reason, but which only goes down to 50, and only goes back a few years, plus the numbers don't always match the other sites:
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1043
Try using the numbers on the top right of the chart.....where it allows you to go from page 1 to page 2 to page 3.

#100. Red zone defense...................................#99 on NCAA site
#111. Red zone offense...................................#111 on NCAA site
#121. Penalty yardage.......................................#100 on NCAA site
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Paul Graham
1/8/2016 12:30 PM
Ok, I haven't read anything posted in the last few pages...so I'll just comment on the original topic.

I think the big questions for 2016 are:

(1) QB (duh!) - Sprague doesn't give us enough oomph and I've now seen Windham enough to know that he's way too wild. If its Sprague, we're going to need a 2006 style defense and running game to beat the better teams in the conference.

(2) Safety - Despite what others think, I thought Davis improved throughout 2015. Jones was a bit of a disappointment as I thought he looked great at times in 2014, but didn't show the same flashes of brilliance. That could have been the lingering effects of injuries. Anyway, we need two guys to step up here.

(3) CB - We lose Wells, which is a big loss. And with some others graduating we're left with just Provitt as the lone experienced CB. This position could make or break our season.

(4) LB - I hate to say it, but some of the younger guys at this position look like recruiting mistakes. LB's get hurt and we can't expect to see Poling/Brown/Moore on the field *together* for probably more than 50% of the snaps. Hopefully we see someone from the 2014/2015/2016 classes make some kind of positive contribution.

(5) Papi - Papi needs to stay healthy. He and Sebastian Smith are our All-MAC caliber talents, and without him we critical extra dimension to our offense.

Ok, this started from "contested positions" to more of an overall analysis for 2016.

Final thought...these discussions between Bcat2/LC and Monroe/allen/bshot44 have grown very tedious. Please stop!
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1/8/2016 12:42 PM
My guess is we were good on 3rd down because the big plays were on 1st or 2nd down...duh! Guys, we all know stats can be misleading. Bottom line is we need to be more disciplined (too many penalties) and stop the other team when it counts (or before) in the red zone.

Football isn't that difficult to understand and even with all the spread offenses...IF YOU RUN THE BALL and STOP THE OPPONENTS RUN, you will win a lot of games. I would like to see much more physicality and nastiness in our team next year! People talk about it but in the games we lose, we seem to be manhandled.
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1/8/2016 12:46 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Ok, I haven't read anything posted in the last few pages...so I'll just comment on the original topic.

I think the big questions for 2016 are:

(1) QB (duh!) - Sprague doesn't give us enough oomph and I've now seen Windham enough to know that he's way too wild. If its Sprague, we're going to need a 2006 style defense and running game to beat the better teams in the conference.

(2) Safety - Despite what others think, I thought Davis improved throughout 2015. Jones was a bit of a disappointment as I thought he looked great at times in 2014, but didn't show the same flashes of brilliance. That could have been the lingering effects of injuries. Anyway, we need two guys to step up here.

(3) CB - We lose Wells, which is a big loss. And with some others graduating we're left with just Provitt as the lone experienced CB. This position could make or break our season.

(4) LB - I hate to say it, but some of the younger guys at this position look like recruiting mistakes. LB's get hurt and we can't expect to see Poling/Brown/Moore on the field *together* for probably more than 50% of the snaps. Hopefully we see someone from the 2014/2015/2016 classes make some kind of positive contribution.

(5) Papi - Papi needs to stay healthy. He and Sebastian Smith are our All-MAC caliber talents, and without him we critical extra dimension to our offense.

Ok, this started from "contested positions" to more of an overall analysis for 2016.

Final thought...these discussions between Bcat2/LC and Monroe/allen/bshot44 have grown very tedious. Please stop!
Agree with 1-5

As far as the last comment...just ignore them if you tired of them.

I'm tired of continually being bashed "for my negativity" by bcat2 for answering his questions. Not my fault the answers are not always positive. He asks a question...I answer with the stats/facts/data....and he bashes me for being negative. I can't help that the truth is Ohio had problems in 2015.

Hell...you pointed out a lot in that 1-5....which are 100% correct.

We need to fix up the back end of the defense and replace some guys. Our LBs were an issue after Poling/Johnson....they need someone to step up and the rest to stay healthy.

Sprague is a big issue. Smith won't be All-MAC if he doesn't have someone capable to get him the ball.

White is a Dri Archer-type game-changer in the MAC....he can do it all with the ball in his hand. His health will be critical.

I'm sorry you've grown tedious of the back-n-forth with some on here...but when it's an attack on me for pointing out facts.....don't come back at me because the facts are negative. I didn't suit up and do any of this. Pretty simple...don't kill the messenger.

PG...that's not directed at you. I know you haven't done that....but others have.
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1/8/2016 12:56 PM
bshot44

The truckload of negativity is a truckload of facts.

#71. 61 plays allowed 20+ yards
#109. 27 runs over 20+ yards
#120. 16 runs over 30+ yards
#119. 10 runs over 40+ yards
#100. Red zone defense
#111. Red zone offense
#121. Penalty yardage
#101. Rushing yards allowed per play

Try using the numbers on the top right of the chart.....where it allows you to go from page 1 to page 2 to page 3.

#100. Red zone defense...................................#99 on NCAA site
#111. Red zone offense...................................#111 on NCAA site
#121. Penalty yardage.......................................#100 on NCAA site

bshot44. How can you in good conscience present all the above statistical minutia, blue smoke, mirrors and fail to present the two big boy bottom line values:

#46. Scoring Defense
#49. Total Defense ??
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1/8/2016 1:08 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
bshot44

The truckload of negativity is a truckload of facts.

#71. 61 plays allowed 20+ yards
#109. 27 runs over 20+ yards
#120. 16 runs over 30+ yards
#119. 10 runs over 40+ yards
#100. Red zone defense
#111. Red zone offense
#121. Penalty yardage
#101. Rushing yards allowed per play

Try using the numbers on the top right of the chart.....where it allows you to go from page 1 to page 2 to page 3.

#100. Red zone defense...................................#99 on NCAA site
#111. Red zone offense...................................#111 on NCAA site
#121. Penalty yardage.......................................#100 on NCAA site

bshot44. How can you in good conscience present all the above statistical minutia, blue smoke, mirrors and fail to present the two big boy bottom line values:

#46. Scoring Defense
#49. Total Defense ??
Blue smoke?!?!?! minutia?!?!?! mirrors?!?!?!

What the hell is wrong with you?!?!

How are those stats any of that?????

Was Ohio bad in the red zone? Yes.
Were they bad against the run? Yes.
Did they let up a lot of big running plays? Yes.
Were they undisciplined and take too many penalties? Yes.

Keep your head in the clouds.

I'm not denying or debating their 46th scoring defense or 49th total defense rankings. But you can't use those to mask the obvious issues this defense had.

I'm not sure if you're being contrary just to be contrary....or if you really do believe these things you type?
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1/8/2016 1:11 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Ok, I haven't read anything posted in the last few pages...so I'll just comment on the original topic.

I think the big questions for 2016 are:

(1) QB (duh!) - Sprague doesn't give us enough oomph and I've now seen Windham enough to know that he's way too wild. If its Sprague, we're going to need a 2006 style defense and running game to beat the better teams in the conference.

(2) Safety - Despite what others think, I thought Davis improved throughout 2015. Jones was a bit of a disappointment as I thought he looked great at times in 2014, but didn't show the same flashes of brilliance. That could have been the lingering effects of injuries. Anyway, we need two guys to step up here.

(3) CB - We lose Wells, which is a big loss. And with some others graduating we're left with just Provitt as the lone experienced CB. This position could make or break our season.

(4) LB - I hate to say it, but some of the younger guys at this position look like recruiting mistakes. LB's get hurt and we can't expect to see Poling/Brown/Moore on the field *together* for probably more than 50% of the snaps. Hopefully we see someone from the 2014/2015/2016 classes make some kind of positive contribution.

(5) Papi - Papi needs to stay healthy. He and Sebastian Smith are our All-MAC caliber talents, and without him we critical extra dimension to our offense.

Ok, this started from "contested positions" to more of an overall analysis for 2016.

Final thought...these discussions between Bcat2/LC and Monroe/allen/bshot44 have grown very tedious. Please stop!

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1/8/2016 1:38 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
bshot44

The truckload of negativity is a truckload of facts.

#71. 61 plays allowed 20+ yards
#109. 27 runs over 20+ yards
#120. 16 runs over 30+ yards
#119. 10 runs over 40+ yards
#100. Red zone defense
#111. Red zone offense
#121. Penalty yardage
#101. Rushing yards allowed per play

Try using the numbers on the top right of the chart.....where it allows you to go from page 1 to page 2 to page 3.

#100. Red zone defense...................................#99 on NCAA site
#111. Red zone offense...................................#111 on NCAA site
#121. Penalty yardage.......................................#100 on NCAA site

bshot44. How can you in good conscience present all the above statistical minutia, blue smoke, mirrors and fail to present the two big boy bottom line values:

#46. Scoring Defense
#49. Total Defense ??
Blue smoke?!?!?! minutia?!?!?! mirrors?!?!?!

What the hell is wrong with you?!?!

How are those stats any of that?????

Was Ohio bad in the red zone? Yes.
Were they bad against the run? Yes.
Did they let up a lot of big running plays? Yes.
Were they undisciplined and take too many penalties? Yes.

Keep your head in the clouds.

I'm not denying or debating their 46th scoring defense or 49th total defense rankings. But you can't use those to mask the obvious issues this defense had.

I'm not sure if you're being contrary just to be contrary....or if you really do believe these things you type?
Do stats have different value? I believe they do. I believe you are purposefully omitting high value data that establishes the defense to be much better than the defense you are presenting with your cherry picked lower value data. JMHO.
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