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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:38 PM
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I think Frank is going to have to sit JD.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:39 PM
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Would be nice to see Vick at some point. He's better then Sprague in all facets of the game.

Bobcats are losing solely because of the QB play.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:40 PM
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Whatever it was it changed the entire completion of this game!
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:44 PM
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Said it before will say it again I do not understand the infatuation with Daz
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:51 PM
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Hate the play calling. Why throw in clear 4 down territory when the defense is sitting back waiting for it?
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:01 PM
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What happened to Vick?
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:05 PM
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Just like they wrote it up
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:13 PM
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Pathetic play by the D
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:26 PM
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Pathetic play by the D
Ugh, I would check the offensive record in this one.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:43 PM
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:45 PM
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I've never seen anyone less qualified than JD Sprague posses the ball in meaningful minutes
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:03 PM
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There is no excuse for Appalachian State to score three times in a minute and fifty seconds. Why did we all of a sudden find it neccesary to chuck the ball down field? Up 24-7, we should've been throwing high percentage passes and running the ball. Chew up the clock. It would've been much more difficult for them to come back if we'd worried more about controlling the ball and limiting their possessions. Then, we did hold them, but had the late hit call. We had them off the field. It's disappointing. We should've won that game. True, Appalachian St. was doing some good things, and we benefitted from turnovers, a couple defensive touchdowns and missed field goals. But up 24-7 in the fourth, close the door. Get first downs and chew up the clock. Don't chuck it downfield and risk interceptions.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:11 PM
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OUE+Z Grad wrote:expand_more
There is no excuse for Appalachian State to score three times in a minute and fifty seconds. Why did we all of a sudden find it neccesary to chuck the ball down field? Up 24-7, we should've been throwing high percentage passes and running the ball. Chew up the clock. It would've been much more difficult for them to come back if we'd worried more about controlling the ball and limiting their possessions. Then, we did hold them, but had the late hit call. We had them off the field. It's disappointing. We should've won that game. True, Appalachian St. was doing some good things, and we benefitted from turnovers, a couple defensive touchdowns and missed field goals. But up 24-7 in the fourth, close the door. Get first downs and chew up the clock. Don't chuck it downfield and risk interceptions.
I believe you are saying that we weren't conservative enough with the lead. This will come as a big surprise to a certain poster who always advocates not getting conservative with a lead. He says that's why we often lose big games. NIU in the MACC would have been ours if we'd only thrown the ball more and not gotten so conservative with our play calling in the second half.
Last Edited: 12/19/2015 11:12:43 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:14 PM
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JD Sprague single handily lost that game.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:16 PM
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
There is no excuse for Appalachian State to score three times in a minute and fifty seconds. Why did we all of a sudden find it neccesary to chuck the ball down field? Up 24-7, we should've been throwing high percentage passes and running the ball. Chew up the clock. It would've been much more difficult for them to come back if we'd worried more about controlling the ball and limiting their possessions. Then, we did hold them, but had the late hit call. We had them off the field. It's disappointing. We should've won that game. True, Appalachian St. was doing some good things, and we benefitted from turnovers, a couple defensive touchdowns and missed field goals. But up 24-7 in the fourth, close the door. Get first downs and chew up the clock. Don't chuck it downfield and risk interceptions.
I believe you are saying that we weren't conservative enough with the lead. This will come as a big surprise to a certain poster who always advocates not getting conservative with a lead. He says that's why we often lose big games. NIU in the MACC would have been ours if we'd only thrown the ball more and not gotten so conservative with our play calling in the second half.
It's kind of funny how coaches are considered too conservative and are bashed for not passing when they have a lead and then when they do throw and something bad happens, then they get bashed for being too aggressive and not running every play.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:18 PM
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JD Sprague single handily lost that game.
App State really had a lot to say about winning it.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:28 PM
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It's kind of funny how coaches are considered too conservative and are bashed for not passing when they have a lead and then when they do throw and something bad happens, then they get bashed for being too aggressive and not running every play.
Well said. And there are some on this board who will never see the hypocrisy in taking both of those positions depending on the circumstances. These folks claim an utter and complete consistency, yet they are actually the most inconsistent. Situational ethics, I guess. ;-)
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:33 PM
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College football is a joke. A penalty for targeting which never happened is changed to a completely different penalty call? How can you change a call via review?
the call was for an illegal hit, the review was to see if the illegal hit was targeting or not. No conspiracy.
I've seen that several times this year where targeting is all or nothing.

Was it announced as an illegal hit? Or was it announced after the review said it wasn't targeting?

I'm in a bar without sound.

This. It was a penalty for targeting and if replay shows it didn't happen, not sure how you can call another penalty instead.
the hit was late, stupid, and warranted a penalty. The review showed there was no targeting, but it remained late and stupid.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:41 PM
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It's kind of funny how coaches are considered too conservative and are bashed for not passing when they have a lead and then when they do throw and something bad happens, then they get bashed for being too aggressive and not running every play.
Well said. And there are some on this board who will never see the hypocrisy in taking both of those positions depending on the circumstances. These folks claim an utter and complete consistency, yet they are actually the most inconsistent. Situational ethics, I guess. ;-)
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:24 AM
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JD Sprague single handily lost that game.
Not a JD fan either, but that's pretty harsh. He wasn't alone out there.

I think the real question is...what really happened to Vick? I have questions about him having an injury. To say that he was only at 85% does not IMO explain why we didn't see him at all. He has played dinged up in many other games this year, maybe at even less than 85%. What kid would not be begging to play in their last game as a senior? I'm skeptical.

And it appears I have a reason to be skeptical.
Last Edited: 12/20/2015 12:35:17 AM by BEG
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:38 AM
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DCF, in a stunning upset, is right: the hit was late and thus worth a flag...targeting was simply an additional question.


OCF--Over-conservative is evidenced significantly by not having something new, some wrinkle to bring out in tough (need to score or burn clock) drives. Not wild things such as double reverse or halfback pass. Simple things like 2-back set or quick slant pass or direct snap to running back...something that would have surprised the defense.

Our offense is geared to be as conservative vanilla as possible. Nothing we do is really geared to get it particularly done at key moments. Just executing better at the key moments alone is not a strategy.

An offense that itself really scored what?--7 or 10 points on its own--was supposed to come thru strong at the end to put the game away for us? Does that make sense?


Same movie coming next year.....
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Posted: 12/20/2015 8:22 AM
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[QUOTE=UpSan Bobcat] It's kind of funny how coaches are considered too conservative and are bashed for not passing when they have a lead and then when they do throw and something bad happens, then they get bashed for being too aggressive and not running every play.
"Well said. And there are some on this board who will never see the hypocrisy in taking both of those positions depending on the circumstances. These folks claim an utter and complete consistency, yet they are actually the most inconsistent. Situational ethics, I guess. ;-)"

Maybe it's because I don't post on here as much as others, but I have always been more conservative in how I view offense, especially with a 24-7 lead. Take care of the football. I am glad it worked when we were zinging it against Northern Illinois, but I like when we are able to ground-and-pound with a 6:00 drive, or after gaining a couple first downs, bury a team deep in their own end with a punt. There are some who waver in their emotions after a loss and will take either side, but I am fairly consistent in my view of playing the field position game and being conservative with a 24-7 lead.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:31 AM
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IF, and this is a BIG IF.....JD doesn't throw those INT's we win, end of discussion, period.
The play calling was fine it's all about the execution.
The D came up big and even though the O was struggling if we played mistake free we win.
As I stated at the beginning of the season, to trust the teams success with a non-scholarship recruited QB is a mistake, and it showed in this game.





GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:28 PM
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That was one of the wildest games in school history. This is one of those games that people talk about for a while. Big time plays on both sides. In the end Ohio made critical mistakes with a big lead. Sprague hasn't has must action in pressure games and he failed badly. Hope he leans from this game and comes back next year to lead us to a MAC title. This was a good experience playing in front of a loud crowd and on national TV. Defense scored 16 points and App state missed two easy field goals, 22 point we where given and still lost the game. Bobcats came to play, but they looked like a deer in the headlights when the pressure of the 4th quarter came against a better team.
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I've never seen anyone less qualified than JD Sprague posses the ball in meaningful minutes
We've had our differences on this board, but I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Sprague.

I've been skeptical of him since he was thrown in games last year.

I never believed he's the answer at quarterback.

Sure, he's had a few moments where he's looked decent.

But this game is probably more of a reflection of what he really is.

If he's starter come next year, sadly I think we're in for a similar 8-5-type season.

For some, that will be reason to turn cartwheels.

But I can't see him as the answer to get us to a MACC or over the hump in the MAC East and compete with the best in the MAC West.

I'm really hopeful that Krizancic is the real deal....or Duckworth/Maxwell make the leap in spring ball.
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