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rpbobcat
12/9/2015 6:56 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet.
The papers out here have us as an 8 pt. underdog.
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71 BOBCAT
12/9/2015 9:34 AM
I don't really think there is much of a surprise with this line when you look at AS stats. The only aspect that is not a positive for them is that this is their 1st bowl bid. When you are playing in your 1st bowl game there are many distractions that the players haven't experienced and CAN cause them to not prepare properly. For Ohio this is not an issue and should be a real advantage for us.
I wouldn't be surprised if this spread changes as we get closer and the odds makers see that our injury situation has dramatically improved. So far Coach has not made any public statements regarding injuries but will probably do so as we get closer and he is taking more interviews and attending the press conferences.




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Mike Johnson
12/9/2015 9:45 AM
If Brown, Poling and Johnson are healthy, they could be the fastest and hardest hitting linebacking crew that App St will have faced outside of Clemson.
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Bcat2
12/9/2015 9:59 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
I don't really think there is much of a surprise with this line when you look at AS stats. The only aspect that is not a positive for them is that this is their 1st bowl bid. When you are playing in your 1st bowl game there are many distractions that the players haven't experienced and CAN cause them to not prepare properly. For Ohio this is not an issue and should be a real advantage for us.
I wouldn't be surprised if this spread changes as we get closer and the odds makers see that our injury situation has dramatically improved. So far Coach has not made any public statements regarding injuries but will probably do so as we get closer and he is taking more interviews and attending the press conferences.

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Presented as of 12/07/15. Must be from a team source.

http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries /

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Date Pos Player Injury Status
12/07/15 RB Dorian Brown Shoulder "?" Saturday vs. App St
12/07/15 RB Maleek Irons Undisclosed "?" Saturday vs. App St
12/06/15 DB Aaron Macer Head "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
12/06/15 DB Blake Scipio Groin "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
12/06/15 TE Connor Brown Illness "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
12/06/15 RB Daz'mond Patterson Leg "?" Saturday vs. App St
12/06/15 DB Devin Bass Thumb "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
12/06/15 DB Grant Cunningham Foot "?" Saturday vs. App St
12/06/15 OL Jared McCray Knee "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
12/06/15 QB JD Sprague Neck inj , "?" Sat vs. App St
12/06/15 OL Joe Anderson Groin "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
12/06/15 DB Nathan Carpenter Groin "?" Saturday vs. App St
12/06/15 RB Papi White Knee "?" Saturday vs. Appalachian St
11/17/15 OT Joe Lowery Hip out for season
11/10/15 FS Kylan Nelson Groin out for season
08/26/15 TE Troy Mangen Knee out for season
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Bcat2
12/9/2015 10:24 AM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
If Brown, Poling and Johnson are healthy, they could be the fastest and hardest hitting linebacking crew that App St will have faced outside of Clemson.

Granted. Though App State sometimes fields five LBs. Very glad Ohio's QBs are of the five/four year experienced variety.
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A-townBound
12/9/2015 10:31 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
I don't really think there is much of a surprise with this line when you look at AS stats. The only aspect that is not a positive for them is that this is their 1st bowl bid. When you are playing in your 1st bowl game there are many distractions that the players haven't experienced and CAN cause them to not prepare properly. For Ohio this is not an issue and should be a real advantage for us.
I wouldn't be surprised if this spread changes as we get closer and the odds makers see that our injury situation has dramatically improved. So far Coach has not made any public statements regarding injuries but will probably do so as we get closer and he is taking more interviews and attending the press conferences.




GO BOBCATS
Solich briefly discusses injuires here -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UCWnx70CWk

Papi will be back, and he feels good about the injury situation with others getting healthier.
Last Edited: 12/9/2015 10:32:05 AM by A-townBound
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71 BOBCAT
12/9/2015 10:40 AM
Just read the coaches comments that were posted yesterday on the bowl game.
On the injury front he stated we are in a much better place and that Papi will play as will Daz, and the O line members who have been out lately. This is great news for us and the team.
The combination of the 3 game winning streak coupled with our improved health should have a positive impact on the boys attitude and mental state.



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C Money
12/9/2015 10:57 AM
We beat Idaho on the road by 17. App State beat Idaho on the road by 27. Idaho had suspended it's best WR (Epps, who killed us) by the time of the App State game. Ohio +8 is about right I'd say.

(I'm biased, but I'd take the points.)


That being said, I think this game winds up a blowout. Whether it's a New Orleans Bowl-style blowout or an Independence Bowl-style blowout remains to be seen. But a healthy Bobcat LB crew makes me optimistic. The only bad defensive performance after Poling came back was against BSU, and so much of that game was spent in prevent defense that I don't know that it is worth considering. Add a healthy JJ and Brown, and we'll be OK.

I think our offense is built well enough to move the ball against the 3-5-3. Feed AJ the ball, use Daz as he should be used (NO DUTM), don't force throws into interceptions. A healthy Heitzman should have success down the field as well.
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L.C.
12/9/2015 11:17 AM
An interesting difference is the time each team gets off before this game. With their 12/5 game against S. Alabama, App St gets 14 days, essentially like having a bye week during the regular season. Since Ohio hasn't played since 11/25, they get 25 days, almost a full month off. That gives Ohio a lot more time to heal, and to get players back, but it could also hurt their timing to be of that long. Will it be a net advantage or disadvantage? I'd guess an advantage, but I really don't know.
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Bcat2
12/9/2015 11:43 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
An interesting difference is the time each team gets off before this game. With their 12/5 game against S. Alabama, App St gets 14 days, essentially like having a bye week during the regular season. Since Ohio hasn't played since 11/25, they get 25 days, almost a full month off. That gives Ohio a lot more time to heal, and to get players back, but it could also hurt their timing to be of that long. Will it be a net advantage or disadvantage? I'd guess an advantage, but I really don't know.
Coach Solich spoke to the extra time being good for the players as they finish their studies, papers/exams. The timing will also allow families to be home for Christmas. Big for some, not all. Advantage/disadvantage, not sure either. I do think good for the student/athletes and families.
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perimeterpost
12/9/2015 2:36 PM
Quick comparison of stats for App and Ohio vs common opponent of Idaho. -


OFFENSE
Total Yds
511- App
489- Ohio

Passing
110yds (10/17)- App
284yds (20/25)- Ohio

Rushing
401yds (56)- App
205yds (38)- Ohio

TOP
36:44- App
29:23- Ohio



DEFENSE
Total yds
299- App
397- Ohio

Passing
243yds (20/32)- App
297yds (36/48)- Ohio

Rushing
56yds (28)
100yds (28)

Turnovers Recovered
0- App
3- Ohio


Worth mentioning is that Ohio had scored 21pts on 2 TD drives of +75yds and a Pick 6 on their first 3 possessions where App was tied 7-7 at the end of Q1. But, by the end of Q3 Ohio was up 31-13 and App was up 35-13.

In other words, there are minor difference here but the result is the same. Both teams dominated a bad Idaho team, it doesn't tell us anything about how they will do against each other.
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AppFan82
12/9/2015 3:19 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I think it interesting that the MAC Conference Champion is playing a Sunbelt Team with a worse record than Appalachian State, in Georgia Southern.
The Sun Belt champ always goes to New Orleans. This year it was Ark St (8-0, 9-3). The powers that be probably wanted Ga Southern to go to Mobile because it's closer and probably has more alumni nearby.
Actually, the New Orleans Bowl gets first pick. It's likely that, had App won the conference, the New Orleans Bowl would still have chosen Arkansas State because of proximity.

Georgia Southern can be a force to be reckoned with. I was as surprised as anyone that they laid an egg in their last game of the season against Georgia State. The App State - Georgia Southern rivalry is a strong one with not much love lost between the two schools. They likely got the Mobile nod because of easier travel from Statesboro, GA to Mobile than we have from western NC to Mobile. Frankly, I'm glad we're playing on a Saturday.

Feel free to ask any questions you like about App State football. I'll answer what I can. I'm here to learn more about Ohio football before the game so I can have more fun watching. See you in Montgomery.
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71 BOBCAT
12/9/2015 4:20 PM
There is an uncanny relationship between wins and forced turnovers this year. We basically won each game where we forced more turnovers than we gave up. Our 3 mid season losses resulted in 0 forced turnovers.

So among the many stats that we look at and that are important to the outcome of the game I think we win this game if we win the TO margin.




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C Money
12/9/2015 4:31 PM
AppFan82 wrote:expand_more
I'm here to learn more about Ohio football before the game so I can have more fun watching.
Here's the Cliff's Notes version:

Offense - Should look familiar to you guys, as we adopted Troy's offense beginning 2011, although there are elements that are definitely from the old Nebraska offense. The basic idea is mix lots of zone read and option runs with short timing throws to get the safeties to cheat up, then go deep in the passing game. Whether our playcalling is effective in getting that to happen is a frequent point of contention on our board.

One thing we've found is that a running QB (or at least a QB that is a threat to run) is critical to making it work, and our QBs take lots of hits, so it gets fun mid-season when you're trying to decide whether to start your #1 QB with the sprained ankle, your #2 QB with bruised ribs, or your #3 QB who's relatively healthy.

Playmakers: whoever is in at QB, RB#45 AJ OUellette is a fan favorite (former walk-on, strong, never goes down on the first hit), RB #4 Papi White (super super quick, but has been hurt for about 6 weeks), WR #6 Sebastian Smith (probably our best WR, but disappears sometimes), and TE #81 Keith Heitzman (EDIT: GRADUATE transfer from Michigan, has been a great addition for the one season we have him).


Defense - We play a 4-3, with this being the second year in a Cover 4 scheme. Many thought this could be a really special group this season, and when they've been healthy, they have been. Unfortunately, they haven't been full strength since halfway through the first quarter of the first game.

The LB corps is the strength of the team. MLB Quentin Poling may be the best defensive player in the conference (earned POTW three times this season), but missed effectively three whole games. It's amazing how much more effective the defense is when he is playing. OLB Jovon Johnson is another fan favorite, undersized but super athletic and constantly making plays.

The secondary has been banged up (we were down to 2 healthy safeties by the last game). Corner Ian Wells is the best cover player, with NFL potential.

The D line was a major question mark coming into the season but has definitely over-performed (especially, again, when healthy). DT Casey Sayles is a converted DE and team captain. DE Tarrell Basham is the pass rush specialist.


Special Teams - Not great, but not bad, and definitely improved from some dismal special teams showings the past couple of years. We do have the distinction of having the only kicker in memory to be penalized for being iced, so we've got that going for us.
Last Edited: 12/9/2015 5:02:55 PM by C Money
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Bcat2
12/9/2015 4:43 PM
AppFan82 wrote:expand_more
I think it interesting that the MAC Conference Champion is playing a Sunbelt Team with a worse record than Appalachian State, in Georgia Southern.
The Sun Belt champ always goes to New Orleans. This year it was Ark St (8-0, 9-3). The powers that be probably wanted Ga Southern to go to Mobile because it's closer and probably has more alumni nearby.
Actually, the New Orleans Bowl gets first pick. It's likely that, had App won the conference, the New Orleans Bowl would still have chosen Arkansas State because of proximity.

Georgia Southern can be a force to be reckoned with. I was as surprised as anyone that they laid an egg in their last game of the season against Georgia State. The App State - Georgia Southern rivalry is a strong one with not much love lost between the two schools. They likely got the Mobile nod because of easier travel from Statesboro, GA to Mobile than we have from western NC to Mobile. Frankly, I'm glad we're playing on a Saturday.

Feel free to ask any questions you like about App State football. I'll answer what I can. I'm here to learn more about Ohio football before the game so I can have more fun watching. See you in Montgomery.
People are making a big deal about this being a first bowl. Your program has a lot of experience in post-season games. All I can see is a pair of teams each with lots of experienced players, each riding three game win streaks. Watched coach Solich's video about preparation for the Mountaineers. There was lots of the usual coach speak, but, much respect for the Mountaineers. He is really impressed with your zone coverage on defense. Mr. Cox who has put up 250 rushing in one game and 150 receiving in another deserves considerable attention. Should be a great game.
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OhioCatFan
12/9/2015 4:55 PM
C Money, great summary. One minor correction: Heitzman is not a fifth year senior, but a graduate student. He took advantage of the one-year transfer rule for graduates with eligibility left.
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C Money
12/9/2015 5:02 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
C Money, great summary. One minor correction: Heitzman is not a fifth year senior, but a graduate student. He took advantage of the one-year transfer rule for graduates with eligibility left.
Whoops, that is correct. I'mma that change that.
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Diamond Cat
12/9/2015 5:07 PM
Going to be fun at my long time buddy's house for the game. He's been telling me about App for 15 years and I've seen them play many times on TV. We've been hoping for an OHIO vs App match up in football. He's been to Athens with me a few times and loved it.

For another comparison, one of the biggest surprises for me this year was Georgia Southern taking Western (43-17) to the wood shed the week after they gave Michigan State a game in Kalamazoo.
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YesAppCan
12/9/2015 6:54 PM
I'd like to drop by and say hello to the Bobcat nation. Looking forward to Montgomery and a great game. If any of you guys are so inclined, drop by our board... http://www.yosefscabin.com /
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L.C.
12/9/2015 10:12 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
...Offense - Should look familiar to you guys, as we adopted Troy's offense beginning 2011, although there are elements that are definitely from the old Nebraska offense. ....

Troy has a new head coach, so their offense has very few similarities to Ohio's offense.

I watched the first quarter of the Troy-App St game, plus some other highlights, and Troy's defense looks more like a 3-4-4 than a 3-5-3, and they seem to be using a Cover-2 zone.
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AppFan82
12/10/2015 8:10 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
I'm here to learn more about Ohio football before the game so I can have more fun watching.
Here's the Cliff's Notes version:

Offense - Should look familiar to you guys, as we adopted Troy's offense beginning 2011, although there are elements that are definitely from the old Nebraska offense. The basic idea is mix lots of zone read and option runs with short timing throws to get the safeties to cheat up, then go deep in the passing game. Whether our playcalling is effective in getting that to happen is a frequent point of contention on our board.

One thing we've found is that a running QB (or at least a QB that is a threat to run) is critical to making it work, and our QBs take lots of hits, so it gets fun mid-season when you're trying to decide whether to start your #1 QB with the sprained ankle, your #2 QB with bruised ribs, or your #3 QB who's relatively healthy.

Playmakers: whoever is in at QB, RB#45 AJ OUellette is a fan favorite (former walk-on, strong, never goes down on the first hit), RB #4 Papi White (super super quick, but has been hurt for about 6 weeks), WR #6 Sebastian Smith (probably our best WR, but disappears sometimes), and TE #81 Keith Heitzman (EDIT: GRADUATE transfer from Michigan, has been a great addition for the one season we have him).


Defense - We play a 4-3, with this being the second year in a Cover 4 scheme. Many thought this could be a really special group this season, and when they've been healthy, they have been. Unfortunately, they haven't been full strength since halfway through the first quarter of the first game.

The LB corps is the strength of the team. MLB Quentin Poling may be the best defensive player in the conference (earned POTW three times this season), but missed effectively three whole games. It's amazing how much more effective the defense is when he is playing. OLB Jovon Johnson is another fan favorite, undersized but super athletic and constantly making plays.

The secondary has been banged up (we were down to 2 healthy safeties by the last game). Corner Ian Wells is the best cover player, with NFL potential.

The D line was a major question mark coming into the season but has definitely over-performed (especially, again, when healthy). DT Casey Sayles is a converted DE and team captain. DE Tarrell Basham is the pass rush specialist.


Special Teams - Not great, but not bad, and definitely improved from some dismal special teams showings the past couple of years. We do have the distinction of having the only kicker in memory to be penalized for being iced, so we've got that going for us.
Thanks! This is most helpful.

We've been hit with the injury bug as well. Our O-line has taken the worst of it in my opinion. I believe that has played into some of the offensive issues we've seen late season. We placed only one player on the all-conference first team for offense - center Jesse Chapman.

Our defense has been very strong in most situations and, hopefully, will have a stellar game against Ohio. The Sun Belt defensive player of the year is our defensive end Ronald Blair. He, John Law, and Latrell Gibbs were all first team honorees.

While Marcus Cox is certainly a standout running back, he also can cough up the ball more easily than I like. I would not be surprised to see freshman Jalin Moore eclipse Cox's running efforts in the years ahead.

Finally, our kicking game has been a tale of two kickers in the last two seasons. The irony is that it's been the same kicker both years. Last year Zach Matics missed extra points and short field goals with enough regularity to elicit groans from the fans when any kicking situation arose. This year Zach has been spot on with nearly every kick he's taken. He and punter Bentlee Critcher are fun to watch.

Bottom line is that, as in all games, this one could be lots of fun or heartbreak for either set of fans. See you in Montgomery!
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AppFan82
12/10/2015 8:17 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
People are making a big deal about this being a first bowl. Your program has a lot of experience in post-season games. All I can see is a pair of teams each with lots of experienced players, each riding three game win streaks. Watched coach Solich's video about preparation for the Mountaineers. There was lots of the usual coach speak, but, much respect for the Mountaineers. He is really impressed with your zone coverage on defense. Mr. Cox who has put up 250 rushing in one game and 150 receiving in another deserves considerable attention. Should be a great game.
Our first bowl game is exciting to me simply because we've had two years in transition in which post-season play wasn't possible. Technically, both App and Georgia Southern were bowl eligible last year; however, we were in our first year of FBS and not allowed to play in a bowl game. I think many of our fans are just happy for some post-season action again.

Marcus Cox can be dangerous. He can break a 50 yard run like crazy then fumble the ball at the end of the run or on the next play. I'm hoping his fumbling woes are being addressed in preparation for this game. I keep reminding myself that these guys are all 18 - 22 year old kids. All is well
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GoCats105
12/10/2015 8:19 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
I think it interesting that the MAC Conference Champion is playing a Sunbelt Team with a worse record than Appalachian State, in Georgia Southern.
The Sun Belt champ always goes to New Orleans. This year it was Ark St (8-0, 9-3). The powers that be probably wanted Ga Southern to go to Mobile because it's closer and probably has more alumni nearby.
Actually, the New Orleans Bowl gets first pick. It's likely that, had App won the conference, the New Orleans Bowl would still have chosen Arkansas State because of proximity.

Georgia Southern can be a force to be reckoned with. I was as surprised as anyone that they laid an egg in their last game of the season against Georgia State. The App State - Georgia Southern rivalry is a strong one with not much love lost between the two schools. They likely got the Mobile nod because of easier travel from Statesboro, GA to Mobile than we have from western NC to Mobile. Frankly, I'm glad we're playing on a Saturday.

Feel free to ask any questions you like about App State football. I'll answer what I can. I'm here to learn more about Ohio football before the game so I can have more fun watching. See you in Montgomery.
People are making a big deal about this being a first bowl. Your program has a lot of experience in post-season games.
This is exactly what I was thinking. It's not like they are strangers to post season play. In fact, they are probably more experienced as a program than Ohio is. This particular team might not be, but the program is.

The one thing I worry about for Ohio, which LC mentioned, is the Bobcats 25-day layoff. Thats almost an entire month without competition.

Appalachian State comes in on an absolute roll, winning nine out of their last ten. Both losses came to good teams and every win except for Troy and South Alabama were by three scores or more. This is a good football team for Ohio to play. It's a good measuring stick going into next year as well.
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Pataskala
12/10/2015 9:24 AM
Apparently App St uses correction fluid in its offensive scheme. The Ohio Athletics post on Solich's press conference quotes the Coach as saying: "They’re more in tuned to their option game to be running triple option. You know obviously with a back in the backfield, a tight end there and then bring a white out in motion...." Mike Nesmith's mother (who invented the stuff) would be pleased.
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oldkatz
12/10/2015 10:05 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Apparently App St uses correction fluid in its offensive scheme. The Ohio Athletics post on Solich's press conference quotes the Coach as saying: "They’re more in tuned to their option game to be running triple option. You know obviously with a back in the backfield, a tight end there and then bring a white out in motion...." Mike Nesmith's mother (who invented the stuff) would be pleased.
A well deserved tally for the Monkees reference and a plus one for no mention of Circus Boy.
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