We are not Stanford fans, I seen McCaffrey play twice. I have seen two years of AJ and one year of Maleek. I have seen all of the weak arguments. There is an assistant who says the only reason that we have Maleek is because he is Canandian. He calls him a slightly slower version of AP. He does not call AJ McCaffrey. Based on this run I believe him. http://espn.go.com/college-football/game?gameId=400787344

Methodology transcends specifics.

Methodology is why Paul DePodesta can work for the Oakland A's and Cleveland Browns (among other reasons...).

I'm not asking you to assess the Stanford case because you're a Stanford fan. I'm not asking you to watch Stanford game film. I'm asking to understand your methodology.

The Stanford case is most nearly parallel to the best possible outcome of the Maleek Irons case.

Better yet we know the Stanford outcome literally happened. And when we understand how your opinions work in the real world, your opinions have more credibility in the hypothetical world.

So I'll ask again, why was McCaffery held to 42 rushing attempts his freshman year?

Hardy will see holes being blocked and I expect to see him to hit them as they develop, blowing runs up at the LOS. Through the season he might become a faster Carpenter. That is my hope for him. Though, there will be talented competition at safety.

Hardy unfortunately, has no chance to start, Davis who gave up several explosives plays has earned a position for life.

I hope I am wrong, Davis should not be cemented as a safety. I hope he improves but he was not a top 20 MAC safety last year.

+1

From Bobcatblitz in the Maleek Irons transfer thread
Got a chance to talk Football with one of the Assts and his observation of Irons went like this. "Beast" "Only reason he is here is because he is from Canada" "A slightly slower version of Adrian Peterson" "A Big Ten type RB in the MAC" "We have to get him involved" "AJ is a coaches dream ultimate team player and hardest worker" .....interesting conversation but its pretty much what most of us had assumed.

Billie the Cat your emotions told you that, I never said that. I answered your question, you feel not so smart and now you are trying to change the narrative. I said the assistant said we only got Maleek because he was from Canada. I beg you to get control over your emotions and not put words in my mouth. Deal with the issue that we have a great back who could supplant another great back. This is not the time to cry.

You made up this assistant that is continually telling me things on the DL, that proves they refuse to play the kid even though he's the best. I'm rather sure, you might be a tid bit too emotional or an ineffective spin master.

Billy, he already answered that question. First, it isn't someone continually telling him things, it is something that supposedly was said a single time, awhile back, most likely during fall camp before the season ever began. Allen doesn't know who is supposed to have said it. It's something he picked up on Bobcatattack, and nothing more. Was person who said it a coach or a GA? What was the context? No one knows. Presuming it was based on something someone actually said, did the person say "He's already as good as AP and should be starting", or did he say, "he has the physical tools, and if he works hard for four years, someday he could be as good as AP".

allen has already told you that he doesn't know any more who actually said it, what exactly was said, nor in what context it was said, so I don't think you should expect further answers.

Semantics. Billie asked a question and I answered it and then he reframed it into something I never said and I addressed it, so high five yourselves to mediocre death. The question was answered. The information came from a reliable source that both of you have accepted in the past.

I get news just like you get it. When Bobcatblitz speaks we all see him as credible, now you fellows don't. We except Arkley's word as fact and then Vick refuted it, so news is news. Mediocre's you can't pick and choose when you want to believe sources. I believe bobcatblitz just like you guys have and do, so cut the bs.

Bobcatblitz has as much credibility as anyone here, which is to say, not all that much when reporting hearsay. I do believe that he probably talked to someone that was impressed with Irons. Was it a coach? A GA? I have no idea. What was the context? Were they talking about the present? The future? Raw potential? I have no way of knowing for sure. Was the comment based on something Irons had done that specific day that had impressed the speaker? Or was it based on a long period of observation of his work ethic and day in, day out performance?

The bottom line is that we can't know the answers to any of these questions, so we need to not read too much into it, nor any other third hand report. Similarly, when blitz reports that he has matured a lot, and that as a result he will play a bigger role this fall, we can hope that he's right, but we still can't read too much into it. Note, however, that if you're going to read a lot into his first post, should you also read a lot into his second one, including the implication that there was a need for him to mature before he was ready to play a major role?

As for Vick, I don't consider anything "refuted", but rather consider it contested. None of us will ever know what went on, so I think we'll have to say that it is unknown. Most likely it was a complex situation, and Arkley had reasons for believing what he wrote, and most likely Vick had reasons for thinking that it wasn't entirely correct.