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M.D.W.S.T
12/7/2024 9:57 PM
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If this is true, there has got to be a lot more to the story than we know, because on the surface leaving OHIO for UNCC makes not a lick of sense, even if its for a few more shekels.
That’s a horrible move and an ass place to coach, Biff was making $1M. They must have gotten life changing money. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense from a personal or practical level. Especially not with the Tulsa job and other good jobs still open. Why rush into the CHARLOTTE job?!

Get Brian locked in tonight.
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cbarber357
12/7/2024 9:59 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
If this is true, there has got to be a lot more to the story than we know, because on the surface leaving OHIO for UNCC makes not a lick of sense, even if its for a few more shekels.
That’s a horrible move and an ass place to coach, Biff was making $1M. They must have gotten life changing money. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense from a personal or practical level. Especially not with the Tulsa job and other good jobs still open. Why rush into the CHARLOTTE job?!

Get Brian locked in tonight.
Does he have a kid/family living in or near Charlotte? In that case, might make sense.
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Pataskala
12/7/2024 10:02 PM
Charlotte reminds me of Temple. They've risen to their level of incompetence.
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Andrew Ruck
12/7/2024 10:04 PM
I'm hearing the discussed deal was $10 mil, 5 years.
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Bobcat Love
12/7/2024 10:06 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I'm hearing the discussed deal was $10 mil, 5 years.
Maybe if we cut a real deal to play Ohio State or these other P4 schools at a fair wage, we could have stepped up to the plate....
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Morris Mound
12/7/2024 10:06 PM
I guess this borderline illiterate, completely ineffective taunting from a weird troll is now the "official" Albin thread. So I'll just chime in to say...lol, what a day.

I graduated in 2012 so I'm far from an Ohio football historian but this has to be the most consequential day in the school's football history. I'm just reeling from it all. FWIW though I think we'll be fine with Brian Smith/Spence Nowinsky/Insert-Young-Gun-Here. And flags fly forever even if the Albin era won't.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/7/2024 10:08 PM
cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
If this is true, there has got to be a lot more to the story than we know, because on the surface leaving OHIO for UNCC makes not a lick of sense, even if its for a few more shekels.
That’s a horrible move and an ass place to coach, Biff was making $1M. They must have gotten life changing money. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense from a personal or practical level. Especially not with the Tulsa job and other good jobs still open. Why rush into the CHARLOTTE job?!

Get Brian locked in tonight.
Does he have a kid/family living in or near Charlotte? In that case, might make sense.
Family is from Oklahoma. Son goes to OU. Daughter just got married. I guess it’s possible she moved to NC, but she went to OU, following your daughter to a different state is a sitcom. Doesn’t seem like you uproot your life to follow your adult daughter who just got married, when you’re a 60 year old millionaire from Athens.

Especially when you’re polishing off three straight 10-win seasons to go to coach at a 15K seat stadium in front of 15 people in an arguably lateral, likely a step down job.
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Real49er
12/7/2024 10:12 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
If this is true, there has got to be a lot more to the story than we know, because on the surface leaving OHIO for UNCC makes not a lick of sense, even if its for a few more shekels.
I think the move has something to do with UNCC devoting more $ to NIL than Ohio could ever hope to. I wonder I’d Albin knew that with Ohio’s lack of $, he had no chance of retaining players, or even recruiting them.

I suspect the move has a lot to do with NIL. UNCC has it or is getting it, Ohio is not. Maybe I’m wrong.
We might have more NIL, really don't know the numbers for either. However, if I'm not mistaken, we are somewhere around the middle or lower for our conference (AAC). I'd wager we have more NIL than Ohio, but I don't think that's the big deal. Especially since I've been told elsewhere Albin made it at Ohio with many walk-ons.

For open jobs, we were viewed higher than some others you might expect. Reasons are:
- Big city
- Good/great conference
- New program (2013). Albin has a chance to make a permanent mark on our program. We have one winning season so far.

I saw repeatedly from various talking heads that we were viewed surprisingly (to me) high with coaches for this reason.

And my understanding is he would be getting a pay raise here as well.
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cbarber357
12/7/2024 10:13 PM
Someone in Athens needs to go to college green and confirm, team is supposed to be there right now.
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GoCats105
12/7/2024 10:16 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I'm hearing the discussed deal was $10 mil, 5 years.
If the AAC TV contract numbers are still the same, each school gets about $7M per year. So that means they'd be paying him almost 30% of their total TV allotment. Not like they couldn't raise the means in other ways, but that's a big contract for a place like Charlotte with zero pedigree an a currently small fan base.
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TWT
12/7/2024 10:16 PM
Real49er wrote:expand_more
If this is true, there has got to be a lot more to the story than we know, because on the surface leaving OHIO for UNCC makes not a lick of sense, even if its for a few more shekels.
I think the move has something to do with UNCC devoting more $ to NIL than Ohio could ever hope to. I wonder I’d Albin knew that with Ohio’s lack of $, he had no chance of retaining players, or even recruiting them.

I suspect the move has a lot to do with NIL. UNCC has it or is getting it, Ohio is not. Maybe I’m wrong.
We might have more NIL, really don't know the numbers for either. However, if I'm not mistaken, we are somewhere around the middle or lower for our conference (AAC). I'd wager we have more NIL than Ohio, but I don't think that's the big deal. Especially since I've been told elsewhere Albin made it at Ohio with many walk-ons.
Walk-on program is not going to be the same with roster cuts down to 105.

Its also the kind of thing you need the university culture for. Transient urban schools don't do it well.
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ou79
12/7/2024 10:18 PM
Agree cbarber357, it would be interesting to know how that is going. As for UNCC, at 60 if I am Tim Albin I only take the UNCC job if my contract locks in and guarantees the $10 million and 5 year language with no out for UNCC. Then I would collect my paycheck for the 5 years and retire.
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cbarber357
12/7/2024 10:21 PM
Real49er wrote:expand_more
If this is true, there has got to be a lot more to the story than we know, because on the surface leaving OHIO for UNCC makes not a lick of sense, even if its for a few more shekels.
I think the move has something to do with UNCC devoting more $ to NIL than Ohio could ever hope to. I wonder I’d Albin knew that with Ohio’s lack of $, he had no chance of retaining players, or even recruiting them.

I suspect the move has a lot to do with NIL. UNCC has it or is getting it, Ohio is not. Maybe I’m wrong.
We might have more NIL, really don't know the numbers for either. However, if I'm not mistaken, we are somewhere around the middle or lower for our conference (AAC). I'd wager we have more NIL than Ohio, but I don't think that's the big deal. Especially since I've been told elsewhere Albin made it at Ohio with many walk-ons.

For open jobs, we were viewed higher than some others you might expect. Reasons are:
- Big city
- Good/great conference
- New program (2013). Albin has a chance to make a permanent mark on our program. We have one winning season so far.

I saw repeatedly from various talking heads that we were viewed surprisingly (to me) high with coaches for this reason.

And my understanding is he would be getting a pay raise here as well.
I don’t mean this as an insult to Albin because I think he’s done a good job, but I would temper your assessment of him being a huge program builder. Frank Solich built this program. He inherited a coaching staff from Frank Solich, as well as many of his impact players, including our QB today. He’s also about to be 60 years old.

His staff is also made up of some former OU players and younger promising talent, and you would think many of the best would stay here to take his job/get promotions.
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Real49er
12/7/2024 10:22 PM
TWT wrote:expand_more
Walk-on program is not going to be the same with roster cuts down to 105.

Its also the kind of thing you need the university culture for. Transient urban schools don't do it well.
I just meant he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who seeks after the easy, paid route for gathering talent.

Someone said Albin likes a challenge. The new model would be a challenge for him, yet he's (reportedly) departing. Just saying I don't think NIL is the driving factor here.
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Real49er
12/7/2024 10:25 PM
cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
I don’t mean this as an insult to Albin because I think he’s done a good job, but I would temper your assessment of him being a huge program builder. Frank Solich built this program. He inherited a coaching staff from Frank Solich, as well as many of his impact players, including our QB today. He’s also about to be 60 years old.

His staff is also made up of some former OU players and younger promising talent, and you would think many of the best would stay here to take his job/get promotions.
Sure, I was just going off of what one of your other posters said about Albin. I know as much as his wikipedia article says and the bit I've gleaned from yall in my short stint on your board.

Thanks for the info.
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kcarey
12/7/2024 10:28 PM
cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
Someone in Athens needs to go to college green and confirm, team is supposed to be there right now.
Coach was nowhere to be seen. Players vibes were also off for just winning a MAC championship.
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Diamond Cat
12/7/2024 10:32 PM
Real49er....I have no hate for you. I am amazed you bothered to come here and offer your thoughts and confirm the other guy is an inbred hill-jack.

Just as we have no idea of your team's history, I'm sure you are in the same boat.

When you consider the magnitude of this win, dude could have waited 24 hours.

Not cool but will not interrupt my party.
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TWT
12/7/2024 10:41 PM
Real49er wrote:expand_more
Walk-on program is not going to be the same with roster cuts down to 105.

Its also the kind of thing you need the university culture for. Transient urban schools don't do it well.
I just meant he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who seeks after the easy, paid route for gathering talent.

Someone said Albin likes a challenge. The new model would be a challenge for him, yet he's (reportedly) departing. Just saying I don't think NIL is the driving factor here.
When you are talking NIL at places like Charlotte and Ohio you are primarily going to be talking about revenue sharing. To that end its unclear what the next staff at Ohio has to work with but UMass is spending 2 million in 2025 going to 3 million in 2026.

I call it what it is a cash out before retirement.
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Real49er
12/7/2024 10:43 PM
Diamond Cat wrote:expand_more
Real49er....I have no hate for you. I am amazed you bothered to come here and offer your thoughts and confirm the other guy is an inbred hill-jack.

Just as we have no idea of your team's history, I'm sure you are in the same boat.

When you consider the magnitude of this win, dude could have waited 24 hours.

Not cool but will not interrupt my party.
I agree 100% on all accounts. Only reason I stopped by is it was reported this asshole was making us look bad. F that noise. We're mighty friendly.

I really don't like hearing that Albin seemingly left the team on the bus if that is true. Really lame. I think we all would have been fine with the news coming out tomorrow.

I will say, I have just about no idea how this normally goes. Just as much as you want your coach with the team after the big win, we need our coach getting cracking ASAP. We had been thinking we'd want a coach hired by this past Tuesday(?) so we could get in on the first player signing opportunity. We still need to get him in ASAP before the big signing day. And also, we are losing dudes right & left to portal entries. The longer we wait, the longer we risk losing our players.

It's a shite situation, but I think this is just how it has to be. But we all see this conduct. If Charlotte football has enough success, I will absolutely have in the back of my mind that Albin could pull the "gone to get some cigarettes" on us too.
Last Edited: 12/7/2024 10:45:04 PM by Real49er
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M.D.W.S.T
12/7/2024 10:47 PM
Reporter from Charlotte says it’s a deal for $1.4M per.

Which is a decent jump for him, but in MAC terms… that’s not unreachable. Or I wouldn’t think. When Tim signed his last deal it made him the 2nd highest coach, since then others have came in and jumped him - I wonder if that was some sort of sticking point. Because whoever they hire - hopefully Brian - will likely be in the $1M range. (And that would still sit him at 5th highest?)

It’s still a job that I wouldn’t touch for many reasons, but even if I’m thinking through Tim’s lense I don’t get the urgency. It’s not a ton of money. It’s not a great program. It’s hardly a step-up in conference. It’s a tremendous step down in program. It’s a step down in facilities. It’s a step-down in recruiting pipeline. It’s a step-down in tradition.

Coming from Oklahoma, to Nebraska to rural Ohio for two decades… to Charlotte.

I expected him to leave - I also feel like I need to reach out to him and say hey man why the rush.. there are a ton of good P5 jobs you can wait to interview for.
Last Edited: 12/7/2024 10:51:57 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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cbarber357
12/7/2024 10:48 PM
Real49er wrote:expand_more
Real49er....I have no hate for you. I am amazed you bothered to come here and offer your thoughts and confirm the other guy is an inbred hill-jack.

Just as we have no idea of your team's history, I'm sure you are in the same boat.

When you consider the magnitude of this win, dude could have waited 24 hours.

Not cool but will not interrupt my party.
I agree 100% on all accounts. Only reason I stopped by is it was reported this asshole was making us look bad. F that noise. We're mighty friendly.

I really don't like hearing that Albin seemingly left the team on the bus if that is true. Really lame. I think we all would have been fine with the news coming out tomorrow.

I will say, I have just about no idea how this normally goes. Just as much as you want your coach with the team after the big win, we need our coach getting cracking ASAP. We had been thinking we'd want a coach hired by this past Tuesday(?) so we could get in on the first player signing opportunity. We still need to get him in ASAP before the big signing day. And also, we are losing dudes right & left to portal entries. The longer we wait, the longer we risk losing our players.

It's a shite situation, but I think this is just how it has to be. But we all see this conduct. If Charlotte football has enough success, I will absolutely have in the back of my mind that Albin could pull the "gone to get some cigarettes" on us too.
Yeah, IF that is true, I would not have expected it out of him. He’s been in Athens for 20 years.
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Andrew Ruck
12/7/2024 10:54 PM
Another take - It almost seems like he bet against himself by securing something BEFORE the championship. After that incredible performance that put on display the incredible improvement he led the team thru this season, his value and interest level is massively higher than it was this morning.

If he didn't make any firm commitments he would be smart to re-open his job pursuit & negotiations. He had to have turned some heads today.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/7/2024 10:55 PM
cbarber357 wrote:expand_more
Real49er....I have no hate for you. I am amazed you bothered to come here and offer your thoughts and confirm the other guy is an inbred hill-jack.

Just as we have no idea of your team's history, I'm sure you are in the same boat.

When you consider the magnitude of this win, dude could have waited 24 hours.

Not cool but will not interrupt my party.
I agree 100% on all accounts. Only reason I stopped by is it was reported this asshole was making us look bad. F that noise. We're mighty friendly.

I really don't like hearing that Albin seemingly left the team on the bus if that is true. Really lame. I think we all would have been fine with the news coming out tomorrow.

I will say, I have just about no idea how this normally goes. Just as much as you want your coach with the team after the big win, we need our coach getting cracking ASAP. We had been thinking we'd want a coach hired by this past Tuesday(?) so we could get in on the first player signing opportunity. We still need to get him in ASAP before the big signing day. And also, we are losing dudes right & left to portal entries. The longer we wait, the longer we risk losing our players.

It's a shite situation, but I think this is just how it has to be. But we all see this conduct. If Charlotte football has enough success, I will absolutely have in the back of my mind that Albin could pull the "gone to get some cigarettes" on us too.
Yeah, IF that is true, I would not have expected it out of him. He’s been in Athens for 20 years.
Him not being with the team is a tremendously bad look and the only thing that makes me think this is truly a deal done.

But no one ever prepares you for how to tell your team you’re taking a shit G5 job after winning a championship.

Is no one in his ear going - hey man… ehh… give it a day or something. Go interview at Purdue first.
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GoCats105
12/7/2024 11:01 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
I expected him to leave - I also feel like I need to reach out to him and say hey man why the rush.. there are a ton of good P5 jobs you can wait to interview for.
Are there though? Maybe at the coordinator level, but if a guy like Jason Candle hasn't been pulled to a P5 head job by now why would a 60+ Albin? The market has shifted to something we haven't seen. MAC coaches aren't getting the big jobs anymore.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/7/2024 11:11 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I expected him to leave - I also feel like I need to reach out to him and say hey man why the rush.. there are a ton of good P5 jobs you can wait to interview for.
Are there though? Maybe at the coordinator level, but if a guy like Jason Candle hasn't been pulled to a P5 head job by now why would a 60+ Albin? The market has shifted to something we haven't seen. MAC coaches aren't getting the big jobs anymore.
MAC coaches haven’t really ridden the high of three straight 10 win seasons. Candle has more 7 win seasons than 10 win seasons.

I’d ride out this Timothee Chalamet publicity, make the TV and radio rounds of how great a coach I am and take interviews as they come. Win another bowl. See what’s what. Give Julie a chance to negotiate. I’ve seen multiple reporters out of Charlotte all saying $1.4M. I think OU gets to $1M-$1.1M. Is it worth uprooting your life and likely being fired in a few years for a lateral G5 job for $300K? Maybe it is.
Last Edited: 12/7/2024 11:12:54 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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