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CatMom
8/27/2016 1:08 PM
That's what happens when your O consistently goes 3 and out and your D isn't very good or gets worn down due to the O's 3 and outs.
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PhiTau74
8/27/2016 4:10 PM
I could give a damn if Ohio wears black uniforms but a lot of teams do it and even the Gamecocks do it in 100 degree Columba, SC. Just google Gamecock uniforms and the first picture shows a player in all black. I thought it was funny that someone thought 86 was hot for a game, anywhere in the south players are practicing highschool and college with temp in the mid 90's and I have personally been to a half dozen Gamecock games well into the 90's. There wouldn't be SEC games until October if 86 were the cutoff for too hot.
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Lande71
8/27/2016 5:25 PM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
I could give a damn if Ohio wears black uniforms but a lot of teams do it and even the Gamecocks do it in 100 degree Columba, SC. Just google Gamecock uniforms and the first picture shows a player in all black. I thought it was funny that someone thought 86 was hot for a game, anywhere in the south players are practicing highschool and college with temp in the mid 90's and I have personally been to a half dozen Gamecock games well into the 90's. There wouldn't be SEC games until October if 86 were the cutoff for too hot.
We get it Phi Tau 74! To be honest, I was talking about me not wearing black to the game. When you are used to 100 degrees that's one thing, but I'm not. 86 is hot for me, a person with health issues to boot. I'm "not conditioned" like the players and you to the heat. If you want me to be a paying fan in the stands, I'll wear what I want to be as comfortable as possible. Probably white, which makes sense to me. You southerners enjoy all that heat and humidity!
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Monroe Slavin
8/28/2016 2:47 AM
CatMom wrote:expand_more
Hi all,

Here's some of my takes

Our DC was in his 2nd year and just walked away from the game (he has some sort of shop now "back home" NC or GA)
The D was taken over by our LB/ST coach (Baby Fran. The guys, apparently, didn't respond because nobody knew their assignments. We had some young/new players and it just didn't mesh. Jones's issue (and the RBs/WRs) was not a lack of talent, the OLine was experienced but just had a lot of injuries

I don't think it was a depression after Southern Miss. We beat them in 2013 at their place. We also beat UH in 2012. It was a combination of (it seemed) Fran didn't care, lack of depth, lack of discipline and (as a senior that graduated put it) too much time on the Square. (all the bars in downtown San Marcos)

For this year? Yes, we lost 27 seniors and now have lost about 25 (more) to attrition. (5th years graduated May and moved on, quit team, dismissed). We will not redshirt anyone and we have 47 walk-ons. Twenty of those walk-ons are going to be on the traveling team. Our total team is at 107 players but, as TXST said, only 75 are on scholarship (mainly due to said attrition). It's almost like we're starting back over at square 1 - like an FCS transitional team.

I'm optimistic that we'll see improvement as far as discipline and execution but I don't see this being a Bowl eligible season by a long shot. They could surprise us but I'm not laying all my eggs in any basket.

I look forward to watching our game vs Ohio. Please be gentle.


In other words, Texas State is very likely going to be horrible.

No disrespect intended. Any school in these circumstances would be in tough in this situation.

We should win handily and not point to it as a fine win.


On a somewhat parallel note, the latest issue of SI had something OU-related and interesting in it.

I don't have the magazine in my hands at this moment, but it was about very highly rated guys leaving Alabama, most, apparently, because even better guys beat them out. The upshot is that two of the guys are on the Kansas team that is our 2nd opponent this year: a 5-star o-lineman and a 4-star receiver as I recall.

The tidbit didn't give any info on how many years the guys played at Alabama or how many years they have left at the schools to which they transferred or whether they are prime players at their new schools.
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BillyTheCat
8/28/2016 7:59 AM
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Yea, smart idea for home team to wear all black on a hot day

Yep, absolutely stupid to be dressed in all black in August for a 3:00pm game when you don't have to. Have to love non-football people making decisions.

They could, however, do a night game in early September, and do a blackout for that.
Bobcat Blackout is officially dead, that was put on the wall by mistake. According to the official Bobcat Blackout twitter page as of August 19th #BobcatBlackout has been replaced by #BleedGreen.

https://twitter.com/OHIOBleedGreen/status/766665968244359168
No mistake, Blackout was set up and after a large numbers of players approached the administration about this, the promo was cancelled.
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OhioCatFan
8/28/2016 10:55 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
In other words, Texas State is very likely going to be horrible.

No disrespect intended. Any school in these circumstances would be in tough in this situation.

We should win handily and not point to it as a fine win. . . .
No disrespect intended, but why don't you for the first time in recent memory actually make some personal predictions in the Bobcat Season Prediction Thread. Then your many fans would have an objective standard to measure your fact-based analysis against.
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Monroe Slavin
8/28/2016 11:11 AM
if i predict and am right or wrong, what diff will it make.

After 11 years, the standard is MAC championship. Win that and the season's a success.

Don't and it's more confirmation of mediocrity.


Seems like EMU would be a heavy, heavy favorite over Texas State.
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L.C.
8/28/2016 1:03 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
if i predict and am right or wrong, what diff will it make.
.... [/QUOTE]
Making a prediction serves two purposes. The first is that those that can predict accurately show that they have an accurate world view, and understanding of the state of the Bobcat program, and that they are neither deluded into thinking the program is better than it really is, nor worse than it really is. The second purpose is that then one can assess satisfaction with how the year goes. If I expect 12 wins, and they only win 7, then I will be disappointed. Similarly, if you were to predict 6 wins, and they win 11, one would think you were pleasantly surprised.

[QUOTE=Monroe Slavin] ...Seems like EMU would be a heavy, heavy favorite over Texas State. ....

And yet Texas State will win more games this year than EMU, and has won substantially more games over the last three years than EMU has. My guess is that Texas State would be favored over EMU, if they played.
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ou1982
8/28/2016 1:17 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
if i predict and am right or wrong, what diff will it make.

After 11 years, the standard is MAC championship. Win that and the season's a success.

Don't and it's more confirmation of mediocrity.

so if you know as much about football as you claim, you should have no trouble correctly identifying the opponents who will manhandle the Bobcats. i'm sure all of us who tire of your constant harping on mediocrity would welcome the opportunity to see your brilliance in print.

so man up.
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OhioCatFan
8/28/2016 4:53 PM
ou1982 wrote:expand_more
. . . so man up.
+1
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El Gato Roberto
8/28/2016 5:31 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
. . . so man up.
+1

No need to "man-up" - we can be politically correct and you can show some hubris!
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Monroe Slavin
8/28/2016 5:31 PM
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.






Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.
Last Edited: 8/28/2016 5:33:45 PM by Monroe Slavin
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colobobcat66
8/28/2016 7:19 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.






Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.

Go back to your first love-shopping.
Honestly, I think Monroe just wants to advertise his pet bags when he posts. Nothing to see here.
Last Edited: 8/28/2016 7:23:56 PM by colobobcat66
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El Gato Roberto
8/28/2016 7:36 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.






Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.

Go back to your first love-shopping.
Honestly, I think Monroe just wants to advertise his pet bags when he posts. Nothing to see here.
Colo...can't blame him. Pet supply bags are a decent business. I got a nice one from Mountainsmith out on Amazon. You should check it out.
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colobobcat66
8/28/2016 8:02 PM
El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.






Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.

Go back to your first love-shopping.
Honestly, I think Monroe just wants to advertise his pet bags when he posts. Nothing to see here.
Colo...can't blame him. Pet supply bags are a decent business. I got a nice one from Mountainsmith out on Amazon. You should check it out.

Don't have any pets, I spend all my money on grandkids.
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ou1982
8/28/2016 8:32 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.


Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.

so, in other words, he won't man up and share with us his immense knowledge of the game. his post belongs on a political site.

we'd like to know if monroe thinks the cats will go 2-10 since he has scouted us and knows our tendencies and our coaching staff is the worst in the league. i tire of his constant complaining.
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mid70sbobcat
8/28/2016 8:58 PM
ou1982 wrote:expand_more
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.


Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.

so, in other words, he won't man up and share with us his immense knowledge of the game. his post belongs on a political site.

we'd like to know if monroe thinks the cats will go 2-10 since he has scouted us and knows our tendencies and our coaching staff is the worst in the league. i tire of his constant complaining.

Monroe posts so he can always be 'right'. Above he said "In other words, Texas State is very likely going to be horrible.

We should win handily and not point to it as a fine win."

So he expects we win big and if so we can't be happy about execution, score or whatever other aspect one wants to focus on.

Yet at the same time he knocks Windham for having just 53 passes in his career and questions a number of other parts of our game. But I guess that makes sense since we have such a 'mediocre' coach.

So if we don't win big then he'll go off on Windham or anyone else who doesn't execute to perfection in the first game of the season. If Windham does well he'll say the opposition was 'horrible'. So he'll be right no matter the outcome.

Never seen anyone more negative and pessimistic BEFORE the season even starts.
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OhioCatFan
8/28/2016 9:29 PM
I think the following is relevant to the current discussion: I had a nice talk with Frank Solich a few years ago at about this time of year -- a week or so before the start of the season. It was very interesting and reflected his general optimistic approach to life and that he tries to rebound from past defeats and maintain a positive outlook. The most important part of that conversation to me was his statement, and I paraphrase, "I go into every season expecting to be undefeated. It's August and it's the time for optimism." Personally, I like that attitude in a coach. He didn't say, as so many coaches might, we have a very tough non-conference schedule, and our away conference games are going to be difficult, so this this season will be a real grind. In other words, lower expectations, so if you do a little better you can point to your previous statement and say you did better than expectations. Frank is good at "coach speak" and I'm not saying he never plays the lowered expectations game, but I am saying that his general approach is an optimistic one that dwells on the positives and not the negatives.
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CatMom
8/28/2016 11:22 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
The referendum that I'm interested in is not re my prognostication ability.

It's re this staff's ability to get a MAC title after 11 years.


You want me to predict, relying heavily on the team that we have and the staff's ability...and, of course, the sched.

So, if the team finishes better than I predict, you'll glorify the coaching for having beaten me. (And, of course, if they do worse than I predict, you won't admit any failings.)

So, I could rig it by saying we should, for instance go 12-2 somesuch. I'd get pilloried for setting a too high standard.


No. 12 years in, it's about a MAC title. It's not about my prediction.


Here's a rough prediction. We'll be overly predictable, we'll not win many games that we 'shouldn't' win and we'll lose more than our share of games that we should not lose. And, we won't MACC.

so, in other words, he won't man up and share with us his immense knowledge of the game. his post belongs on a political site.

we'd like to know if monroe thinks the cats will go 2-10 since he has scouted us and knows our tendencies and our coaching staff is the worst in the league. i tire of his constant complaining.

Monroe posts so he can always be 'right'. Above he said "In other words, Texas State is very likely going to be horrible.

We should win handily and not point to it as a fine win."

So he expects we win big and if so we can't be happy about execution, score or whatever other aspect one wants to focus on.

Yet at the same time he knocks Windham for having just 53 passes in his career and questions a number of other parts of our game. But I guess that makes sense since we have such a 'mediocre' coach.

So if we don't win big then he'll go off on Windham or anyone else who doesn't execute to perfection in the first game of the season. If Windham does well he'll say the opposition was 'horrible'. So he'll be right no matter the outcome.

[B]Never seen anyone more negative and pessimistic BEFORE the season even starts.[/B]

Ha, come on over to our board if you want pre-season pessimism.
Last Edited: 8/28/2016 11:22:49 PM by CatMom
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Monroe Slavin
8/29/2016 12:38 AM
That's nice, OCF. And I'm serious. I'm not being sarcastic. Gotta have a positive attitude.


But realism in analyzing achieved results is also a requisite.

No MACC in 11 years and a knorr-like series of crashing losses over the last 3.5 years is not mitigated by a positive attitude entering the seasons which were the last few years.


At some point, aren't we judged against the number one criteria for which we are hired?

How many years is it okay to go without a MACC?
Last Edited: 8/29/2016 12:38:54 AM by Monroe Slavin
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L.C.
8/29/2016 1:07 AM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
Monroe posts so he can always be 'right'. Above he said "In other words, Texas State is very likely going to be horrible.

We should win handily and not point to it as a fine win."

So he expects we win big and if so we can't be happy about execution, score or whatever other aspect one wants to focus on.

Yet at the same time he knocks Windham for having just 53 passes in his career and questions a number of other parts of our game. But I guess that makes sense since we have such a 'mediocre' coach.

So if we don't win big then he'll go off on Windham or anyone else who doesn't execute to perfection in the first game of the season. If Windham does well he'll say the opposition was 'horrible'. So he'll be right no matter the outcome.

Never seen anyone more negative and pessimistic BEFORE the season even starts.

The goal is to establish an expectation that can never be exceeded. By saying Texas State is the worst team in the country, far worse than EMU, the implicit expectation would be for Ohio to win by 50+. Thus, if Ohio wins by 45, it's a disappointing performance, and no credit can be given to Ohio players or coaches. As a practical matter, Ohio opened as a 19 point favorite, and the spread is now 21. Any victory of 3 touchdowns or more will be a good victory.

We'll play the same game next week. Kansas will be claimed to be awful, and Ohio should crush them. Once again, Las Vegas will disagree. I expect the point spread to be about a push. Ohio might be favored by 1 point, or Kansas might be favored by 1. Thus, contrary to what will be claimed, any win over Kansas will be a good win.
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Monroe Slavin
8/29/2016 2:42 AM
That is so much garbage, L.C. You and the rest of the SFB will NEVER admit that Solich has been mediocre--not a single MAC title in 11 seasons...in a weak conference such as the MAC for the man you revere so much.


Go ahead. Attack my means and alleged motive. That surely is the point and the problem. It's not Solich and his lack of MACC and knorr-like last 3.5 years.


Yeah, it's all about my predictions and expectations.


Yeah, expecting one MACC in 11 years is about my expectations being excessive.
Last Edited: 8/29/2016 2:42:42 AM by Monroe Slavin
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bornacatfan
8/29/2016 6:27 AM
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Funny thing - my wife has a friend, who was supposed to join us for this game, who is a graduate of Texas State. Her degree is from Southwest Texas State prior to the change in 2003.
Oddly enough, one of my oldest and best friends is building a house in San Marcos. Got to tour the campus this summer....was impressed by to Bobcat logos and markings all over. Much larger and nicer than I expected. Building going and community is growing, downtown right off the campus. Impressive. Hope we are ready and come out with a win. Trying to make the game ....or at least the tailgate
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8/29/2016 7:34 AM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
Monroe posts so he can always be 'right'. Above he said "In other words, Texas State is very likely going to be horrible.

We should win handily and not point to it as a fine win."

So he expects we win big and if so we can't be happy about execution, score or whatever other aspect one wants to focus on.

Yet at the same time he knocks Windham for having just 53 passes in his career and questions a number of other parts of our game. But I guess that makes sense since we have such a 'mediocre' coach.

So if we don't win big then he'll go off on Windham or anyone else who doesn't execute to perfection in the first game of the season. If Windham does well he'll say the opposition was 'horrible'. So he'll be right no matter the outcome.

Never seen anyone more negative and pessimistic BEFORE the season even starts.
Further, Monroe knows full well this staff cares not a whit about his expectation or how the result appears to him. Ohio's staff will do their best to gain the advantage then end the game as quickly as possible. In the process they will use as many players as they are able. This will not lead to a Monroe pleasing score or even high individual stats that impress during All MAC selection. So there will be no attempt by Ohio to make the score what Monroe would need it to be to be happy. Monroe , "happy," riiiight. ;)
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mid70sbobcat
8/29/2016 7:46 AM
CatMom wrote:expand_more
Ha, come on over to our board if you want pre-season pessimism.
Maybe so ... BUT we have it year after year from this guy. All the while we've had records of 8-5, 6-6, 7-6, 9-4 and 10-4 the past 5 years. If we had been 3-9, 2-10, 4-8 and so on I could see reason for pessimism and negativity. Hope you have a season that exceeds expectations.
Last Edited: 8/29/2016 7:51:46 AM by mid70sbobcat
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