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ShoreCat
10/31/2016 9:38 AM
Unless there is a world series parade in Cleveland on Thursday or Friday, I'm coming down for this and have no idea what to expect. I'll eat my words based on what happened at Toledo and I still don't think we'd have a shot against WMU, but what happened at Toledo has given me optimism for the rest of the season and for next year. This looks like a game we should win, which means it will probably be a nail-biter.

Regardless, looking forward to hitting Uptown and bitching about why the Greenery had to close.
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OU_Country
10/31/2016 12:01 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
What is....?

BUFFALO SUCKS.
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Ohio69
10/31/2016 12:30 PM
DelBobcat wrote:expand_more
We open as 19.5, pt favorites. We sometimes have been known to lay a giant egg when favored by such excessive spreads, not only covering but actually winning the contest.
It's not just us. Regression to the mean is ubiquitous. But it still happens in a minority of cases. We should expect to win and win big.
In the MAC, I never expect anyone to win big. Heck we were just 17 point dogs and won.
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Pataskala
10/31/2016 12:49 PM
We'll need to pound the ball this week. In conference games, Buffalo leads the MAC in pass D (169 yds/game) but is dead last in rushing D (284). Their rushing D stat plus the fact they have only 6 sacks in four MAC games (4-way tie for 9th in the MAC) says their front seven isn't that good.

Their O line is better (4 sacks in four games) and they have a balanced offense: 145 rushes/148 passes; 195 rushing/226 passing ypg. Given that our rushing D is 2nd best in the MAC and our passing D is 9th, we can expect them to come out passing to try and open up the running game. Our secondary needs to come up big on this one.

The big stat in our favor is the scoreboard. We're about even in pts scored, but we've only given up 18.8 pg while they're doing 34.8 (and that's considering the 20 they gave up to Akron).
Last Edited: 10/31/2016 1:01:12 PM by Pataskala
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GoCats105
10/31/2016 3:39 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
What is....?

BUFFALO SUCKS.
Unbelievable it took someone this long to get this reference.
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OU_Country
10/31/2016 4:14 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
What is....?

BUFFALO SUCKS.
Unbelievable it took someone this long to get this reference.

I know. When I saw it, I had to make sure it didn't go undone.
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Monroe Slavin
10/31/2016 6:12 PM
Good call, Country. Slam dunk by you, and as we edge toward hoops, you were clearly fouled and made the freebie for the three-point play!


Beefs surely knows that we like to establish the run. Not sure they can stop us at that. But gotta think they'll prepare for it.



I honestly believe that we can beat a Buffalo team that is 1-7.
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L.C.
10/31/2016 6:35 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
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I honestly believe that we can beat a Buffalo team that is 1-7

With wins over Akron and Army, Buffalo has more wins than most 1-7 teams.
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Monroe Slavin
10/31/2016 9:32 PM
Got me. I looked too quickly at their record and read BG's record; Akron is 2-6.

Still, it's a game that there's no reason we should lose.
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Jeff McKinney
10/31/2016 10:58 PM
Bring your rain gear. Thursday is the only day this week with rain predicted. Supposedly steady rain all day. Hope it leaves by game time.
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OU_Country
11/1/2016 9:47 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Bring your rain gear. Thursday is the only day this week with rain predicted. Supposedly steady rain all day. Hope it leaves by game time.
Current forecast models on Intellicast show rain clearing out by gametime, otherwise, rain all day. Hopefully that stays true.

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=US...
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OhioCatFan
11/1/2016 10:43 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
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I honestly believe that we can beat a Buffalo team that is 1-7

With wins over Akron and Army, Buffalo has more wins than most 1-7 teams.

ROTFL!
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OhioCatFan
11/1/2016 10:47 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Got me. I looked too quickly at their record and read BG's record; Akron is 2-6. . . .
Taking a page out of L.C.'s joke book, with wins over VMI, Marshall, Kent State, Miami and Ball State, Akron has more wins than most 2-6 teams. ;-)
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/1/2016 11:12 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Bring your rain gear. Thursday is the only day this week with rain predicted. Supposedly steady rain all day. Hope it leaves by game time.
Current forecast models on Intellicast show rain clearing out by gametime, otherwise, rain all day. Hopefully that stays true.

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=US...
That's how I saw it too. The Pub will be warm and dry, then the game will be warm and dry.
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clodney
11/1/2016 12:38 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
We'll need to pound the ball this week. In conference games, Buffalo leads the MAC in pass D (169 yds/game) but is dead last in rushing D (284). Their rushing D stat plus the fact they have only 6 sacks in four MAC games (4-way tie for 9th in the MAC) says their front seven isn't that good.

Their O line is better (4 sacks in four games) and they have a balanced offense: 145 rushes/148 passes; 195 rushing/226 passing ypg. Given that our rushing D is 2nd best in the MAC and our passing D is 9th, we can expect them to come out passing to try and open up the running game. Our secondary needs to come up big on this one.

The big stat in our favor is the scoreboard. We're about even in pts scored, but we've only given up 18.8 pg while they're doing 34.8 (and that's considering the 20 they gave up to Akron).
Those stats are incredibly misleading. The UB defense is actually pretty stout against the run and I would even argue that the front 7 are one of the biggest strengths on either side of the ball for the Bulls. They plug the gut pretty well, though they are susceptible to runs on the edges because of a lack of speed and the secondary sometimes struggling to tackle in space. That said, if you want to truly understand why the stats are so bad for the defense you need to look at the offense.

This UB offense might be the worst we've ever had in our 17 years in FBS. Tyree Jackson is HUGE, mobile, athletic, and incredibly inaccurate. He makes freshman mistakes, stares down receivers, but it isn't all his fault since he typically has only about 2 seconds to make a decision with our swiss cheese OLine allowing every FCS+ level pass rusher dominate them. The playcalling has also been suspect and it seems like our OC is more focused on maintaining a rush/pass 50/50 balance instead of trying to utilize any favorable mismatches. It's been hard to watch. I don't have access to this stat but I would imagine UB's offense leads the nation in 3 and outs this year. They struggle to move the ball early in games, fall behind, then throw a bunch of incompletions trying to catch up. Our defense never gets off the field. Akron was the first game where our OC actually stuck to running the ball since we were getting a push up front for the first time all season (Akron's DLine is truly horrible). Once our offense finally strung together some drives in that game it gave our defense a chance to catch their breath and they ended up shutting down Akron's 33 PPG offense. Bowden said after the game "If we don’t get a punt return, I don’t think we score a touchdown".

I think this game is a horrible mismatch for Buffalo since we can't throw the ball and your DLine will manhandle our rushing attack. That said, our defense may surprise you.
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colobobcat66
11/1/2016 2:12 PM
clodney wrote:expand_more
We'll need to pound the ball this week. In conference games, Buffalo leads the MAC in pass D (169 yds/game) but is dead last in rushing D (284). Their rushing D stat plus the fact they have only 6 sacks in four MAC games (4-way tie for 9th in the MAC) says their front seven isn't that good.

Their O line is better (4 sacks in four games) and they have a balanced offense: 145 rushes/148 passes; 195 rushing/226 passing ypg. Given that our rushing D is 2nd best in the MAC and our passing D is 9th, we can expect them to come out passing to try and open up the running game. Our secondary needs to come up big on this one.

The big stat in our favor is the scoreboard. We're about even in pts scored, but we've only given up 18.8 pg while they're doing 34.8 (and that's considering the 20 they gave up to Akron).
Those stats are incredibly misleading. The UB defense is actually pretty stout against the run and I would even argue that the front 7 are one of the biggest strengths on either side of the ball for the Bulls. They plug the gut pretty well, though they are susceptible to runs on the edges because of a lack of speed and the secondary sometimes struggling to tackle in space. That said, if you want to truly understand why the stats are so bad for the defense you need to look at the offense.

This UB offense might be the worst we've ever had in our 17 years in FBS. Tyree Jackson is HUGE, mobile, athletic, and incredibly inaccurate. He makes freshman mistakes, stares down receivers, but it isn't all his fault since he typically has only about 2 seconds to make a decision with our swiss cheese OLine allowing every FCS+ level pass rusher dominate them. The playcalling has also been suspect and it seems like our OC is more focused on maintaining a rush/pass 50/50 balance instead of trying to utilize any favorable mismatches. It's been hard to watch. I don't have access to this stat but I would imagine UB's offense leads the nation in 3 and outs this year. They struggle to move the ball early in games, fall behind, then throw a bunch of incompletions trying to catch up. Our defense never gets off the field. Akron was the first game where our OC actually stuck to running the ball since we were getting a push up front for the first time all season (Akron's DLine is truly horrible). Once our offense finally strung together some drives in that game it gave our defense a chance to catch their breath and they ended up shutting down Akron's 33 PPG offense. Bowden said after the game "If we don’t get a punt return, I don’t think we score a touchdown".

I think this game is a horrible mismatch for Buffalo since we can't throw the ball and your DLine will manhandle our rushing attack. That said, our defense may surprise you.

Thanks for the insights, I hope you're right about the results. Sounds like a Papi White type game to me.
Last Edited: 11/1/2016 4:07:13 PM by colobobcat66
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11/1/2016 3:39 PM

 

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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
11/1/2016 5:36 PM
Normally I'd say Ohio was due to really post a big number given that line, Brown showing he's at full strength and given Ohio is scoring on the low end of what I'd expect from a team that is averaging 428 total yards of offense per game and 200 on the ground per game. A few injuries at running back go another way and this is a team scoring 35 points per game. And that's despite some uncertainty at the QB position.

But given the time of year and the way the defense has played lately, I could really see one of those 21-7 or 21-10 squeeze-the-life-out-of-them games where Ohio doesn't exactly blow Buffalo out and yet never feel in danger of losing the game kinda by design. Seems like the way Ohio does it in November when we've been in the MAC title chase. And usually it works.

A lot depends on how much fight Buffalo is going to show at this stage of the season. Given last week's win, they could still be pretty feisty.
Last Edited: 11/1/2016 5:39:56 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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11/2/2016 11:53 AM

 

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ytownbobcat
11/2/2016 6:03 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Got me. I looked too quickly at their record and read BG's record; Akron is 2-6.

Still, it's a game that there's no reason we should lose.

Agree that we can't put these woeful teams on a pedestal every time they stumble in to Athens.

This is not a very good team.
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OUBob
11/2/2016 8:36 PM
Buffalo entered the Ak-rowdy game 5th in the nation against the pass. I see a HEAVY dose of run this game to earn the W.
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L.C.
11/2/2016 9:16 PM
ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
Agree that we can't put these woeful teams on a pedestal every time they stumble in to Athens.

This is not a very good team.

Nevertheless, twice this year they have masqueraded as a very good team. They beat a good Army team 23-20, and they destroyed a decent Akron team 41-20 last week. When they play have played poorly, they have managed to lose to even an FCS team. When they have played well, they played very well.

Which Buffalo team will show up? I'll be just fine with it if the same team shows up that was blown out by Nevada, BC, and NIU on the road. That's the team the bookies expect, with Ohio a 19.5 point favorite. I would hope that the football team is preparing for the good one, though.
Last Edited: 11/2/2016 9:17:30 PM by L.C.
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colobobcat66
11/2/2016 9:28 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Agree that we can't put these woeful teams on a pedestal every time they stumble in to Athens.

This is not a very good team.

Nevertheless, twice this year they have masqueraded as a very good team. They beat a good Army team 23-20, and they destroyed a decent Akron team 41-20 last week. When they play have played poorly, they have managed to lose to even an FCS team. When they have played well, they played very well.

Which Buffalo team will show up? I'll be just fine with it if the same team shows up that was blown out by Nevada, BC, and NIU on the road. That's the team the bookies expect, with Ohio a 19.5 point favorite. I would hope that the football team is preparing for the good one, though.
They were out gained 444 to 265 yards in the Army game and scored twice in the last 9 minutes to send it to overtime. They won and that's what counts, but they gave up 396 rushing yards. That was Army, but it sounds like they can be run against. We'll see.
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RSBobcat
11/2/2016 11:02 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Bring your rain gear. Thursday is the only day this week with rain predicted. Supposedly steady rain all day. Hope it leaves by game time.
Current forecast models on Intellicast show rain clearing out by gametime, otherwise, rain all day. Hopefully that stays true.

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=US...
I only trust McKinney weather forecasts.......
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