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FisherCat
11/22/2024 9:04 AM
Tim albin is among the 3 serious candidates for the HC opening at Rice. The other two candidates are Vanderbilt OC and Sam Houston HC.

https://footballscoop.com/news/update-at-rice-where-a-pat...
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GoCats105
11/24/2024 12:07 PM
I'd actually be more worried about this one...

Tulsa has fired Kevin Wilson.
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M.D.W.S.T
11/24/2024 2:32 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'd actually be more worried about this one...

Tulsa has fired Kevin Wilson.
Oh yeah, that’s the one.
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colobobcat66
11/24/2024 5:25 PM
There’s probably a few of the G-5 jobs that might be appealing to Albin, do any of you think there’s a real possibility of Albin Getting P-4 looks if he keeps winning this year? Just wondering for a friend.
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Bobcats1212
11/24/2024 11:23 PM
I think if Albin does leave we should bring back Spence Nowinsky or look outside of the program. I get that we are winning but I’d like a more exciting offense.
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M.D.W.S.T
11/25/2024 9:40 AM
Bobcats1212 wrote:expand_more
I think if Albin does leave we should bring back Spence Nowinsky or look outside of the program. I get that we are winning but I’d like a more exciting offense.
I've been as critical of Albin's molasses offense as anyone (maybe more than anyone), but this season he has shown the ability to adapt. Maybe it's all Brian, who knows, but OU is currently 3rd in the MAC in points scored. It's not like we're not putting up points. We just had to adapt to the fact we have a two-headed monster at RB, and a below average passing attack. And we did adapt. And look at that - we're at the top of the MAC again.

If Albin goes - Tulsa would be a real possibility - I think we have to lock in Brian. He's just 44. He's got a swagger. He's well-spoken. He's got the resume. (OC at Hawaii, OC at Washington State, now at OU for 3 seasons). Though I do love Spense, I think he's happy to be at a bigger program and will wait that out, but there are only 130 of these jobs so who knows.
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El Gato Roberto
11/25/2024 10:06 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
I think if Albin does leave we should bring back Spence Nowinsky or look outside of the program. I get that we are winning but I’d like a more exciting offense.
I've been as critical of Albin's molasses offense as anyone (maybe more than anyone), but this season he has shown the ability to adapt. Maybe it's all Brian, who knows, but OU is currently 3rd in the MAC in points scored. It's not like we're not putting up points. We just had to adapt to the fact we have a two-headed monster at RB, and a below average passing attack. And we did adapt. And look at that - we're at the top of the MAC again.

If Albin goes - Tulsa would be a real possibility - I think we have to lock in Brian. He's just 44. He's got a swagger. He's well-spoken. He's got the resume. (OC at Hawaii, OC at Washington State, now at OU for 3 seasons). Though I do love Spense, I think he's happy to be at a bigger program and will wait that out, but there are only 130 of these jobs so who knows.
I agree. If Tim moves on, I hope they promote from within. The program is rolling - let it keep going. And I must be the only guy who loves our offense. I think Albin said something like, 'we're good at being us'. something like that. That's how I feel about the football program. Its good at being what it is.
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L.C.
11/25/2024 10:38 AM
El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
I agree. If Tim moves on, I hope they promote from within. The program is rolling - let it keep going. And I must be the only guy who loves our offense. I think Albin said something like, 'we're good at being us'. something like that. That's how I feel about the football program. Its good at being what it is.

Here are my thoughts on this. The head coach is one of many members of the coaching team. His single most important function is choosing the assistants he works with, and a head coach can't succeed without being good at that. Ohio has had very good years the last three years, and that is a credit, not only to Albin, but also to his ability to choose and coordinate a good staff. If you were to lose Albin, but retain the rest of the staff, things should continue to be successful, so long as you pick a good person from among his staff. Since they are winning, we can be sure that there are probably several good people on the staff.

Now, the argument for hiring from outside comes down to one word, "Knorr". In that case, the transition was not successful. Why did that not work, while the transition to Albin was successful? I would argue that it was not specific to Knorr, but rather, to the situation at the time. Knorr was not a bad coach, and he continues to coach today, and is currently the Defensive Coordinator at Air Force. However, Grobe essentially took his entire staff with him to Wake Forest. That left Knorr as, not only a first time head coach, but also a coach without a staff, and without continuity.

If Albin leaves, no doubt he will want to take some members of his staff with him. If he leaves a solid core of the staff behind, they have an excellent chance of picking up where Albin left off. If he takes most of the staff, then hiring from outside begins to make more sense because, whoever is chosen, they will have to build a new staff and new systems.
Last Edited: 11/25/2024 10:40:07 AM by L.C.
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Pataskala
11/25/2024 12:51 PM
ECU reportedly will make Blake Harrell the head man. He's 4-0 as their interimcoach.
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Victory
11/25/2024 1:11 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I agree. If Tim moves on, I hope they promote from within. The program is rolling - let it keep going. And I must be the only guy who loves our offense. I think Albin said something like, 'we're good at being us'. something like that. That's how I feel about the football program. Its good at being what it is.

Here are my thoughts on this. The head coach is one of many members of the coaching team. His single most important function is choosing the assistants he works with, and a head coach can't succeed without being good at that. Ohio has had very good years the last three years, and that is a credit, not only to Albin, but also to his ability to choose and coordinate a good staff. If you were to lose Albin, but retain the rest of the staff, things should continue to be successful, so long as you pick a good person from among his staff. Since they are winning, we can be sure that there are probably several good people on the staff.

Now, the argument for hiring from outside comes down to one word, "Knorr". In that case, the transition was not successful. Why did that not work, while the transition to Albin was successful? I would argue that it was not specific to Knorr, but rather, to the situation at the time. Knorr was not a bad coach, and he continues to coach today, and is currently the Defensive Coordinator at Air Force. However, Grobe essentially took his entire staff with him to Wake Forest. That left Knorr as, not only a first time head coach, but also a coach without a staff, and without continuity.

If Albin leaves, no doubt he will want to take some members of his staff with him. If he leaves a solid core of the staff behind, they have an excellent chance of picking up where Albin left off. If he takes most of the staff, then hiring from outside begins to make more sense because, whoever is chosen, they will have to build a new staff and new systems.
Well,let's say we promote Brian Smith. Let's say Albin promotes S. Isphording to OC at Tulsa and keeps Hauser at DC in a higher paying DC position at Tulsa. Now Smith promotes Allen Rudolph and Kurt Mattix to OC and DC at Ohio as higher paid positions at Ohio. We have at this point kept 3 of the staff. Who else are we going to keep? Most of the rest will probably take the same position coach job at Tulsa or go somewhere else. We may keep a few more and maybe promote a GC to position coach but Smith would be looking to replace most of the staff like Knorr was in all probability.
Last Edited: 11/25/2024 1:12:38 PM by Victory
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M.D.W.S.T
11/25/2024 3:19 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
I agree. If Tim moves on, I hope they promote from within. The program is rolling - let it keep going. And I must be the only guy who loves our offense. I think Albin said something like, 'we're good at being us'. something like that. That's how I feel about the football program. Its good at being what it is.

Here are my thoughts on this. The head coach is one of many members of the coaching team. His single most important function is choosing the assistants he works with, and a head coach can't succeed without being good at that. Ohio has had very good years the last three years, and that is a credit, not only to Albin, but also to his ability to choose and coordinate a good staff. If you were to lose Albin, but retain the rest of the staff, things should continue to be successful, so long as you pick a good person from among his staff. Since they are winning, we can be sure that there are probably several good people on the staff.

Now, the argument for hiring from outside comes down to one word, "Knorr". In that case, the transition was not successful. Why did that not work, while the transition to Albin was successful? I would argue that it was not specific to Knorr, but rather, to the situation at the time. Knorr was not a bad coach, and he continues to coach today, and is currently the Defensive Coordinator at Air Force. However, Grobe essentially took his entire staff with him to Wake Forest. That left Knorr as, not only a first time head coach, but also a coach without a staff, and without continuity.

If Albin leaves, no doubt he will want to take some members of his staff with him. If he leaves a solid core of the staff behind, they have an excellent chance of picking up where Albin left off. If he takes most of the staff, then hiring from outside begins to make more sense because, whoever is chosen, they will have to build a new staff and new systems.
Well,let's say we promote Brian Smith. Let's say Albin promotes S. Isphording to OC at Tulsa and keeps Hauser at DC in a higher paying DC position at Tulsa. Now Smith promotes Allen Rudolph and Kurt Mattix to OC and DC at Ohio as higher paid positions at Ohio. We have at this point kept 3 of the staff. Who else are we going to keep? Most of the rest will probably take the same position coach job at Tulsa or go somewhere else. We may keep a few more and maybe promote a GC to position coach but Smith would be looking to replace most of the staff like Knorr was in all probability.
HC: Brian
DC: Faanes
Co-DC: Tremayne Scott
OC: Nick Rolovich? (Brian's former roomate, former head coach at Hawaii and Washington State)
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2024 3:51 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I agree. If Tim moves on, I hope they promote from within. The program is rolling - let it keep going. And I must be the only guy who loves our offense. I think Albin said something like, 'we're good at being us'. something like that. That's how I feel about the football program. Its good at being what it is.

Here are my thoughts on this. The head coach is one of many members of the coaching team. His single most important function is choosing the assistants he works with, and a head coach can't succeed without being good at that. Ohio has had very good years the last three years, and that is a credit, not only to Albin, but also to his ability to choose and coordinate a good staff. If you were to lose Albin, but retain the rest of the staff, things should continue to be successful, so long as you pick a good person from among his staff. Since they are winning, we can be sure that there are probably several good people on the staff.

Now, the argument for hiring from outside comes down to one word, "Knorr". In that case, the transition was not successful. Why did that not work, while the transition to Albin was successful? I would argue that it was not specific to Knorr, but rather, to the situation at the time. Knorr was not a bad coach, and he continues to coach today, and is currently the Defensive Coordinator at Air Force. However, Grobe essentially took his entire staff with him to Wake Forest. That left Knorr as, not only a first time head coach, but also a coach without a staff, and without continuity.

If Albin leaves, no doubt he will want to take some members of his staff with him. If he leaves a solid core of the staff behind, they have an excellent chance of picking up where Albin left off. If he takes most of the staff, then hiring from outside begins to make more sense because, whoever is chosen, they will have to build a new staff and new systems.
You are assuming that the staff, at least a chunk of them wouldn’t go with Tim. Then you have exactly what you had with Knorr. And Knorr’s biggest problem is Tom Boeh hired most of Brian’s staff for him.
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L.C.
11/25/2024 8:24 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You are assuming that the staff, at least a chunk of them wouldn’t go with Tim. Then you have exactly what you had with Knorr. And Knorr’s biggest problem is Tom Boeh hired most of Brian’s staff for him.

I'm not assuming anything. Rather I'm saying that IF a number of assistants are left behind, and IF the new HC is good at replacing the ones that left, Ohio will be fine. On the other hand, if everyone goes with Albin, or leave, it will be much harder. If Tom Boeh hired Brian's staff, that put him in a difficult position before he even started.
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2024 9:18 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
You are assuming that the staff, at least a chunk of them wouldn’t go with Tim. Then you have exactly what you had with Knorr. And Knorr’s biggest problem is Tom Boeh hired most of Brian’s staff for him.

I'm not assuming anything. Rather I'm saying that IF a number of assistants are left behind, and IF the new HC is good at replacing the ones that left, Ohio will be fine. On the other hand, if everyone goes with Albin, or leave, it will be much harder. If Tom Boeh hired Brian's staff, that put him in a difficult position before he even started.
You have know idea how bad that situation was!
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Victory
11/25/2024 9:35 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You are assuming that the staff, at least a chunk of them wouldn’t go with Tim. Then you have exactly what you had with Knorr. And Knorr’s biggest problem is Tom Boeh hired most of Brian’s staff for him.

I'm not assuming anything. Rather I'm saying that IF a number of assistants are left behind, and IF the new HC is good at replacing the ones that left, Ohio will be fine. On the other hand, if everyone goes with Albin, or leave, it will be much harder. If Tom Boeh hired Brian's staff, that put him in a difficult position before he even started.
You have know idea how bad that situation was!
Well, that explains why, if I recall, we returned 10 of 11 starters from a good offense, had a quarterback with 3 years starting under his belt, and completely overhauled the offense. Greg Gregory was forced on Knorr, I presume. I was a recent grad and was appalled by that. I cannot imagine what the players thought off it.
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BillyTheCat
11/25/2024 9:49 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
You are assuming that the staff, at least a chunk of them wouldn’t go with Tim. Then you have exactly what you had with Knorr. And Knorr’s biggest problem is Tom Boeh hired most of Brian’s staff for him.

I'm not assuming anything. Rather I'm saying that IF a number of assistants are left behind, and IF the new HC is good at replacing the ones that left, Ohio will be fine. On the other hand, if everyone goes with Albin, or leave, it will be much harder. If Tom Boeh hired Brian's staff, that put him in a difficult position before he even started.
You have know idea how bad that situation was!
Well, that explains why, if I recall, we returned 10 of 11 starters from a good offense, had a quarterback with 3 years starting under his belt, and completely overhauled the offense. Greg Gregory was forced on Knorr, I presume. I was a recent grad and was appalled by that. I cannot imagine what the players thought off it.
We returned 18 of 22 starters on both sides of the ball. The Coordinator was from Illinois and got fired, Boeh snapped him up and hired him. Hell, he didn’t even run the same defense we had installed under Grobe and Knorr. It was bad. The locker room was lost quick with the assistants not being anything like the players were used too. The original DB coach didn’t make it through spring ball because his wife hated Athens and he quit in the middle of practice that first spring.
Last Edited: 11/25/2024 9:51:17 PM by BillyTheCat
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L.C.
11/25/2024 11:01 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You have know idea how bad that situation was!

Well, that explains why, if I recall, we returned 10 of 11 starters from a good offense, had a quarterback with 3 years starting under his belt, and completely overhauled the offense. Greg Gregory was forced on Knorr, I presume. I was a recent grad and was appalled by that. I cannot imagine what the players thought off it.

We returned 18 of 22 starters on both sides of the ball. The Coordinator was from Illinois and got fired, Boeh snapped him up and hired him. Hell, he didn’t even run the same defense we had installed under Grobe and Knorr. It was bad. The locker room was lost quick with the assistants not being anything like the players were used too. The original DB coach didn’t make it through spring ball because his wife hated Athens and he quit in the middle of practice that first spring.

That sounds like a nightmare. As I said, Knorr was clearly not a bad coach, as he's proven himself in other settings. I've always wondered exactly what went wrong, and this explains a lot. You can't have a united team if you don't have a united coaching staff.
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GoCats105
11/26/2024 10:33 AM
UNC has fired Mack Brown.
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SBH
11/26/2024 11:31 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
The fact that so many ADs are pulling the trigger on coaches less than 3 years in, let alone getting another chance to hire and fire their guy to replace them, is kind of shocking to me.
Idk some of these may be warranted. Poggi for example was in way over his head. Dilfer at UAB is probably the next one to go. Why sit around and wait if you can come up with the buyout money now? I know buyout money doesn't come easy in the G5, but it's not like they're paying Jimbo Fisher type dollars.
I guess the problem I see with it is recruiting is in a state of flux right now. Next year rosters are to be trimmed back to 105 and still dealing with some COVID sixth year elgibility. 2025 is the first year of player revenue sharing. 2026 is the new playoff contract which could be 14 or 16 teams and w/o COVID years into the calculation. These years of change to me are excuses to hang onto a coach particularly if removing them will require a buyout.

TA with the 8 wins now has an extension through 2028 (signed to 2026 in 2023 and bumped to 2027 in 2024) and I think its a good position for Ohio to be in. Eventually the changes will settle down and new tiers established for programs at Ohio's level so when a new staff is selected the recruiting requirement will be better understood.

The dollars spent on these buyouts at G5 programs whether its 500,000 or 1,500,000 it is a lot relative to their football budgets and/or donor capacity.
If we had Akron's football facilities we'd be in phenomenal shape. As I tour these colleges and campuses with rev share coming soon, those with upkeep to do are going to get whacked like no other. You're going to see revenue disproportions at the bigger level than you could fathom.....as if it wasn't bad enough between us and them.....
Would you also like the 30 years of multi-million-dollar bond payments?
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SBH
11/26/2024 11:32 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
You have know idea how bad that situation was!

Well, that explains why, if I recall, we returned 10 of 11 starters from a good offense, had a quarterback with 3 years starting under his belt, and completely overhauled the offense. Greg Gregory was forced on Knorr, I presume. I was a recent grad and was appalled by that. I cannot imagine what the players thought off it.

We returned 18 of 22 starters on both sides of the ball. The Coordinator was from Illinois and got fired, Boeh snapped him up and hired him. Hell, he didn’t even run the same defense we had installed under Grobe and Knorr. It was bad. The locker room was lost quick with the assistants not being anything like the players were used too. The original DB coach didn’t make it through spring ball because his wife hated Athens and he quit in the middle of practice that first spring.

That sounds like a nightmare. As I said, Knorr was clearly not a bad coach, as he's proven himself in other settings. I've always wondered exactly what went wrong, and this explains a lot. You can't have a united team if you don't have a united coaching staff.
No, he was a bad coach because he was a poor leader.
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11/26/2024 11:54 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
You have know idea how bad that situation was!

Well, that explains why, if I recall, we returned 10 of 11 starters from a good offense, had a quarterback with 3 years starting under his belt, and completely overhauled the offense. Greg Gregory was forced on Knorr, I presume. I was a recent grad and was appalled by that. I cannot imagine what the players thought off it.

We returned 18 of 22 starters on both sides of the ball. The Coordinator was from Illinois and got fired, Boeh snapped him up and hired him. Hell, he didn’t even run the same defense we had installed under Grobe and Knorr. It was bad. The locker room was lost quick with the assistants not being anything like the players were used too. The original DB coach didn’t make it through spring ball because his wife hated Athens and he quit in the middle of practice that first spring.

That sounds like a nightmare. As I said, Knorr was clearly not a bad coach, as he's proven himself in other settings. I've always wondered exactly what went wrong, and this explains a lot. You can't have a united team if you don't have a united coaching staff.
No, he was a bad coach because he was a poor leader.
Yes, the skill sets for being a good assistant coach are not the same as those that make a good head coach.
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11/26/2024 1:05 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
The fact that so many ADs are pulling the trigger on coaches less than 3 years in, let alone getting another chance to hire and fire their guy to replace them, is kind of shocking to me.
Idk some of these may be warranted. Poggi for example was in way over his head. Dilfer at UAB is probably the next one to go. Why sit around and wait if you can come up with the buyout money now? I know buyout money doesn't come easy in the G5, but it's not like they're paying Jimbo Fisher type dollars.
I guess the problem I see with it is recruiting is in a state of flux right now. Next year rosters are to be trimmed back to 105 and still dealing with some COVID sixth year elgibility. 2025 is the first year of player revenue sharing. 2026 is the new playoff contract which could be 14 or 16 teams and w/o COVID years into the calculation. These years of change to me are excuses to hang onto a coach particularly if removing them will require a buyout.

TA with the 8 wins now has an extension through 2028 (signed to 2026 in 2023 and bumped to 2027 in 2024) and I think its a good position for Ohio to be in. Eventually the changes will settle down and new tiers established for programs at Ohio's level so when a new staff is selected the recruiting requirement will be better understood.

The dollars spent on these buyouts at G5 programs whether its 500,000 or 1,500,000 it is a lot relative to their football budgets and/or donor capacity.
If we had Akron's football facilities we'd be in phenomenal shape. As I tour these colleges and campuses with rev share coming soon, those with upkeep to do are going to get whacked like no other. You're going to see revenue disproportions at the bigger level than you could fathom.....as if it wasn't bad enough between us and them.....
Would you also like the 30 years of multi-million-dollar bond payments?
A few years ago during an Ohio at Akron game I was chatting with a U of A staffer. The subject of stadium maintenance came up. I asked what the annual debt load was on their stadium. Without hesitating he said, "Six million."
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Pataskala
11/29/2024 8:51 PM
FootballScoop says CMU is interested in UConn's Jim Mora, Jr.(UConn has funding, resources and NIL money problems) and has drawn interest from Stony Brook HC Billy Cash and Pitt asst Cory Sanders, both of whom have strong ties to the state.
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colobobcat66
11/30/2024 11:34 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
FootballScoop says CMU is interested in UConn's Jim Mora, Jr.(UConn has funding, resources and NIL money problems) and has drawn interest from Stony Brook HC Billy Cash and Pitt asst Cory Sanders, both of whom have strong ties to the state.
Mora is making upwards of 1.7 mil. This says they have interest in him, is that mutual?
Last Edited: 11/30/2024 11:42:06 AM by colobobcat66
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colobobcat66
11/30/2024 3:29 PM
Ryan Day is on the hot seat . How sweet it is! (Kinda/not really, let’s see if he wins the national championship first)
Last Edited: 11/30/2024 3:30:31 PM by colobobcat66
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