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BillyTheCat
12/14/2016 9:03 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
Well let us see, that is the charge and what the officers caught the home invaders with. Clearly outlined by the prosecutor in his comments to the press, and evident in the charge that Mr. Noel pleaded guilty too. According to the prosecutor and the police report, Mr. Noel had a club, Mr. Belack had brass knuckles, and the other had a broom handle and there were threats that they would kill at least one of the members of the house. This is all very readily available information in the public domain.
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The Optimist
12/14/2016 10:17 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
Well let us see, that is the charge and what the officers caught the home invaders with. Clearly outlined by the prosecutor in his comments to the press, and evident in the charge that Mr. Noel pleaded guilty too. According to the prosecutor and the police report, Mr. Noel had a club, Mr. Belack had brass knuckles, and the other had a broom handle and there were threats that they would kill at least one of the members of the house. This is all very readily available information in the public domain.
Being accused of a crime is not proof that you committed a crime.

All the "facts" you stated above are accusations against these young men. All of these young men have been charged with committing these crimes, but none of them have been convicted of any of these charges. From the sounds of this thread, none of these men will ever be convicted. Maybe the "facts" aren't as clear cut as the media has made them out to be.

It's amazing to me that some of the same people complaining about "fake news" in one thread on this board are so quick to hold a trial by means of the media in another thread.

"Innocent until proven guilty"
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2016 10:25 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
Well let us see, that is the charge and what the officers caught the home invaders with. Clearly outlined by the prosecutor in his comments to the press, and evident in the charge that Mr. Noel pleaded guilty too. According to the prosecutor and the police report, Mr. Noel had a club, Mr. Belack had brass knuckles, and the other had a broom handle and there were threats that they would kill at least one of the members of the house. This is all very readily available information in the public domain.
Being accused of a crime is not proof that you committed a crime.

All the "facts" you stated above are accusations against these young men. All of these young men have been charged with committing these crimes, but none of them have been convicted of any of these charges. From the sounds of this thread, none of these men will ever be convicted. Maybe the "facts" aren't as clear cut as the media has made them out to be.

It's amazing to me that some of the same people complaining about "fake news" in one thread on this board are so quick to hold a trial by means of the media in another thread.

"Innocent until proven guilty"
Well then lets see, the young man PLEAD GUILTY (not NO contest), but guilty to a 1st degree felony of aggravated robbery, which means a weapon and intimidation was involved in the crime (those are your facts, and have played out in a court of law, so the "proven guilty" part is there!!! (so these facts are pretty much proven to be accurate) The question that was asked by another poster was, would other people of different backgrounds receive such a light sentence.
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 10:28:09 AM by BillyTheCat
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Bobcatzblitz
12/14/2016 11:08 AM
Good Ole American Justice System at work. If they were African American or poor local townies and none athletes they'd be sitting in that jail for a year before having to sign a plea deal straight to prison. Its well known Blackburns office is biased. Look up Trevor Drell student caught with 5 oz of cocaine. Diversion and huge fine (payoff) clean record.
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The Optimist
12/14/2016 11:14 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
Well let us see, that is the charge and what the officers caught the home invaders with. Clearly outlined by the prosecutor in his comments to the press, and evident in the charge that Mr. Noel pleaded guilty too. According to the prosecutor and the police report, Mr. Noel had a club, Mr. Belack had brass knuckles, and the other had a broom handle and there were threats that they would kill at least one of the members of the house. This is all very readily available information in the public domain.
Being accused of a crime is not proof that you committed a crime.

All the "facts" you stated above are accusations against these young men. All of these young men have been charged with committing these crimes, but none of them have been convicted of any of these charges. From the sounds of this thread, none of these men will ever be convicted. Maybe the "facts" aren't as clear cut as the media has made them out to be.

It's amazing to me that some of the same people complaining about "fake news" in one thread on this board are so quick to hold a trial by means of the media in another thread.

"Innocent until proven guilty"
Well then lets see, the young man PLEAD GUILTY (not NO contest), but guilty to a 1st degree felony of aggravated robbery, which means a weapon and intimidation was involved in the crime (those are your facts, and have played out in a court of law, so the "proven guilty" part is there!!! (so these facts are pretty much proven to be accurate) The question that was asked by another poster was, would other people of different backgrounds receive such a light sentence.

The lone case on the criminal docket from this month is for Jacob Ready. He plead guilty to a 3rd degree felony, not the 1st degree felony you mentioned earlier in this thread.
http://coc.athensoh.org/eservices/?x=xcewxpQLDWMqsS*p-*0Y...

Reading the notes on that case, it seems the car used here may have been his.

It sure wouldn't seem to be much of a stretch that the prosecutor might offer a deal to the driver in exchange for testimony against those who broke into the house.

That said, while the other cases may be moving forward, we are still in the same situation I mentioned above... While we've got a bunch of supposed "facts" about this case, the reality is nobody here who is up in arms was their that day and knows what really happened. There are two sides to every story, and so far we've heard one side.
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 11:17:06 AM by The Optimist
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2016 11:18 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
Well let us see, that is the charge and what the officers caught the home invaders with. Clearly outlined by the prosecutor in his comments to the press, and evident in the charge that Mr. Noel pleaded guilty too. According to the prosecutor and the police report, Mr. Noel had a club, Mr. Belack had brass knuckles, and the other had a broom handle and there were threats that they would kill at least one of the members of the house. This is all very readily available information in the public domain.
Being accused of a crime is not proof that you committed a crime.

All the "facts" you stated above are accusations against these young men. All of these young men have been charged with committing these crimes, but none of them have been convicted of any of these charges. From the sounds of this thread, none of these men will ever be convicted. Maybe the "facts" aren't as clear cut as the media has made them out to be.

It's amazing to me that some of the same people complaining about "fake news" in one thread on this board are so quick to hold a trial by means of the media in another thread.

"Innocent until proven guilty"
Well then lets see, the young man PLEAD GUILTY (not NO contest), but guilty to a 1st degree felony of aggravated robbery, which means a weapon and intimidation was involved in the crime (those are your facts, and have played out in a court of law, so the "proven guilty" part is there!!! (so these facts are pretty much proven to be accurate) The question that was asked by another poster was, would other people of different backgrounds receive such a light sentence.

The lone case on the criminal docket from this month is for Jacob Ready. He plead guilty to a 3rd degree felony, not the 1st degree felony you mentioned earlier in this thread.
http://coc.athensoh.org/eservices/?x=xcewxpQLDWMqsS*p-*0Y...

Reading the notes on that case, it seems the car used here may have been his.

It sure wouldn't seem to be much of a stretch that the prosecutor might offer a deal to the driver in exchange for testimony against those who broke into the house.

That said, while the other cases may be moving forward, we are still in the same situation I mentioned above... While we've got a bunch of supposed "facts" about this case, the reality is nobody here who is up in arms was their that day and knows what really happened. There are two sides to every story, and so far we've heard one side.
So part of the agreement was to drop to a 3rd. The others, if you would read, were dismissed as is practice to be bound over to the Grand Jury for indictment. Also if you would read, Noel was not the driver, Allaby was the driver of the car, the one non-football player according to the prosecutor.
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 11:19:07 AM by BillyTheCat
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colobobcat66
12/14/2016 11:25 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Good Ole American Justice System at work. If they were African American or poor local townies and none athletes they'd be sitting in that jail for a year before having to sign a plea deal straight to prison. Its well known Blackburns office is biased. Look up Trevor Drell student caught with 5 oz of cocaine. Diversion and huge fine (payoff) clean record.
I don't know anything about Blackburn, but I do know(?) that Athens county is one of most liberal counties in Ohio so why would the populace condone such racial bias if it's know to exist? Just asking.
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The Optimist
12/14/2016 11:25 AM
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So part of the agreement was to drop to a 3rd. The others, if you would read, were dismissed as is practice to be bound over to the Grand Jury for indictment. [/QUOTE]
So, 3 cases are going to the Grand Jury for indictment? Isn't that how the justice system is supposed to work?

Also if you would read, Noel was not the driver, Allaby was the driver of the car, the one non-football player according to the prosecutor.

I'm going solely off docket. Car was in Ready's mothers name. This does not mean he was driver.
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2016 12:16 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
So part of the agreement was to drop to a 3rd. The others, if you would read, were dismissed as is practice to be bound over to the Grand Jury for indictment.

So, 3 cases are going to the Grand Jury for indictment? Isn't that how the justice system is supposed to work?

Also if you would read, Noel was not the driver, Allaby was the driver of the car, the one non-football player according to the prosecutor.

I'm going solely off docket. Car was in Ready's mothers name. This does not mean he was driver.
12/12/2016 JOURNAL ENTRY FILED
L (JR 724 PG 453)
$720.00 HEREIN SHALL BE FORFEITED TO ADP-LETF; $480.00 SHALL BE FORFEITED TO ACPO-LETF; AND $120.00 WILL BE PAID TO AUTOTECH FOR TOW AND STORAGE IN ORDER FOR MARTHA READY TO RETRIEVE THE 2015 NISSAN ALTIMA TITLES IN HER NAME. VEHICLE AND CONTENTS THEREOF ARE TO BE RELEASED FORTHWITH
Yes, in felony cases that is how it works, the comment was in regards to the statement that there was no records for the others. Police know who the driver was because they were talking to the driver in the car when the other three exited the crime scene, saw the officers and took off running.
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allen
12/15/2016 12:43 AM
If someone pleads guilty to a felony robbery, I would strongly consider giving them the boot. I am very liberal. I believe in God and I believe we serve a God of second chances, but I as a coach would need to know why this happened? How this happened? Playing division one football is a privilege and a message needs to be sent that this type of behavior will not be tolerated. If I looked into these players eyes and saw severe remorse, I might suspend them for half of a season. I would not shun them if I did not see full remorse. I would encourage them to go to a JUCO and keep in touch with them. I would not demonize them or drop them like a bad habit. My two cents for what it is worth.
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SBH
12/15/2016 6:27 AM
I fear we are all going to be surprised/disappointed by the leniency shown to these individuals. Hope not, but just a continuation of the erosion of intercollegiate athletics. I am quickly losing interest.

I am reminded of an incident documented in Charles Ping's biography. He was describing to AD Bill Rohr the types of student athletes he wanted to wear Ohio uniforms. Rohr responded, "You're very naive." Maybe I am too.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/15/2016 9:21 AM
Count me amongst the naive.
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colobobcat66
12/15/2016 9:26 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I fear we are all going to be surprised/disappointed by the leniency shown to these individuals. Hope not, but just a continuation of the erosion of intercollegiate athletics. I am quickly losing interest.

I am reminded of an incident documented in Charles Ping's biography. He was describing to AD Bill Rohr the types of student athletes he wanted to wear Ohio uniforms. Rohr responded, "You're very naive." Maybe I am too.
Can you quote the "types" who Ping wanted?
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SBH
12/15/2016 10:55 AM
STUDENT athletes, and proven, good citizens.
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bobcat695
12/15/2016 11:44 AM
I am the head coach of a middle school basketball program that has 28 boys playing on the two teams. Last week, I had several $100 bills stolen from my wallet in the coach's office while I was conducting practice in the gym. I had already decided that there would be lifetime expulsions for the thieves if it was someone from our program that did it. It turned out to be three boys on the wrestling team that entered a closed door, removed my wallet from my briefcase and then took the money. The administration suspended them for three days and the wrestling coach immediately welcomed them back onto his team.

The extremely light punishment disgusts me. Kids that are given no negative consequences for their awful behavior are given the wrong message about life. Very few coaches hold their athletes to a higher standard than the ones that the school, or court of law create. I'm not sure how Solich will handle this internally, but people that use illegal drugs and commit violent crimes are not the ones I get excited about supporting with my Ohio Bobcat Club checks.
Last Edited: 12/15/2016 11:44:44 AM by bobcat695
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BillyTheCat
12/15/2016 11:48 AM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
I am the head coach of a middle school basketball program that has 28 boys playing on the two teams. Last week, I had several $100 bills stolen from my wallet in the coach's office while I was conducting practice in the gym. I had already decided that there would be lifetime expulsions for the thieves if it was someone from our program that did it. It turned out to be three boys on the wrestling team that entered a closed door, removed my wallet from my briefcase and then took the money. The administration suspended them for three days and the wrestling coach immediately welcomed them back onto his team.

The extremely light punishment disgusts me. Kids that are given no negative consequences for their awful behavior are given the wrong message about life. Very few coaches hold their athletes to a higher standard than the ones that the school, or court of law create. I'm not sure how Solich will handle this internally, but people that use illegal drugs and commit violent crimes are not the ones I get excited about supporting with my Ohio Bobcat Club checks.
Amazing!!!!! If I every would coach I would definitely hold my players to higher standards.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/15/2016 12:55 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I am the head coach of a middle school basketball program that has 28 boys playing on the two teams. Last week, I had several $100 bills stolen from my wallet in the coach's office while I was conducting practice in the gym. I had already decided that there would be lifetime expulsions for the thieves if it was someone from our program that did it. It turned out to be three boys on the wrestling team that entered a closed door, removed my wallet from my briefcase and then took the money. The administration suspended them for three days and the wrestling coach immediately welcomed them back onto his team.

The extremely light punishment disgusts me. Kids that are given no negative consequences for their awful behavior are given the wrong message about life. Very few coaches hold their athletes to a higher standard than the ones that the school, or court of law create. I'm not sure how Solich will handle this internally, but people that use illegal drugs and commit violent crimes are not the ones I get excited about supporting with my Ohio Bobcat Club checks.
Amazing!!!!! If I every would coach I would definitely hold my players to higher standards.
Probably count this type of thing as one of the reasons the NFL's not as popular. People are fed up with athletes getting preferential treatment.
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Speaker of Truth
12/15/2016 5:36 PM
Here is one of my problems with what type of Athletes we want:

No one is willing to sacrifice winning at the expense of good students and citizens.

This is a serious case, and the kids better get kicked off the team if guilty.

Getting caught drinking, getting in a bar fight, or getting caught with weed. Those are all things that shouldn't bother anyone on this board. Those are all small mistakes(Or bad laws). Deciding to arm yourselves and rob someone is a calculated decision.
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Bcat2
12/15/2016 5:55 PM
the123kid wrote:expand_more
Here is one of my problems with what type of Athletes we want:

No one is willing to sacrifice winning at the expense of good students and citizens.

This is a serious case, and the kids better get kicked off the team if guilty.

Getting caught drinking, getting in a bar fight, or getting caught with weed. Those are all things that shouldn't bother anyone on this board. Those are all small mistakes(Or bad laws). Deciding to arm yourselves and rob someone is a calculated decision.
"I will not lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those who do."
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RSBobcat
12/16/2016 12:50 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
STUDENT athletes, and proven, good citizens.
Prolly the same kind of STUDENTS he wanted. The STUDENTS elite have families with great lawyers who make this kind of stuff go away also.....(including the ones with scholarships). Been there - Seen that
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BillyTheCat
12/16/2016 8:11 AM
Interesting, in the ANews story from yesterday that $491 dollars of the money for the car forfeiture will be going to the Prosecutor's steak fund.

http://abc6onyourside.com/investigators/questionable-spen...
Last Edited: 12/16/2016 8:18:04 AM by BillyTheCat
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OhioCatFan
12/16/2016 9:08 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Interesting, in the ANews story from yesterday that $491 dollars of the money for the car forfeiture will be going to the Prosecutor's steak fund.

http://abc6onyourside.com/investigators/questionable-spen...
Better if it went to his diet fund! ;-)
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colobobcat66
12/16/2016 10:30 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Interesting, in the ANews story from yesterday that $491 dollars of the money for the car forfeiture will be going to the Prosecutor's steak fund.

http://abc6onyourside.com/investigators/questionable-spen...
Better if it went to his diet fund! ;-)
The guy has an OSU hat on, what do you expect?
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Alan Swank
12/16/2016 12:07 PM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
I am the head coach of a middle school basketball program that has 28 boys playing on the two teams. Last week, I had several $100 bills stolen from my wallet in the coach's office while I was conducting practice in the gym. I had already decided that there would be lifetime expulsions for the thieves if it was someone from our program that did it. It turned out to be three boys on the wrestling team that entered a closed door, removed my wallet from my briefcase and then took the money. The administration suspended them for three days and the wrestling coach immediately welcomed them back onto his team.

The extremely light punishment disgusts me. Kids that are given no negative consequences for their awful behavior are given the wrong message about life. Very few coaches hold their athletes to a higher standard than the ones that the school, or court of law create. I'm not sure how Solich will handle this internally, but people that use illegal drugs and commit violent crimes are not the ones I get excited about supporting with my Ohio Bobcat Club checks.
Did you consider either of these two things: 1) resigning the basketball position or 2) pressing charges?
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/16/2016 12:17 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Interesting, in the ANews story from yesterday that $491 dollars of the money for the car forfeiture will be going to the Prosecutor's steak fund.

http://abc6onyourside.com/investigators/questionable-spen...
Better if it went to his diet fund! ;-)
The guy has an OSU hat on, what do you expect?
If you phrase the story just right, he's simply doing his part to end hunger.
Last Edited: 12/16/2016 12:18:09 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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